A mere fraction of these high sec lone wolves banding together would wipe Goons and the CFC (who I am using as examples) off the map in less than a week

Although I would honestly love to see CCP separate high from low and null. Such that people can travel back and forth but only in a shuttle (with an empty cargo hold) or pod and they have a separate wallet for which money can not be sent between the two wallet types. Just for a couple months, to see how well low/null survives. I bet that it wouldn't be long before the low/null people are begging to open it up again.

That is so BS as to not even be funny. I doubt (with all the structure grinds) you could do much more than "get their attention" in a weeks time...

Howz about everyone just....STFU and let others do what they want?

How about that?

How about we all just mind our goddamned business and play the game?

DOOBAY!!!

Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?

A better question would be "Why do some people think this game is only for them?"

There's the winner!!!

leave people alone and let them play how they want. Or go ahead and bump them, and call it PVP or extortion. But don't say it's because you don't approve of how the victim plays the game, or write non sequitur manifestos about it.

There's the winner!!!

There is a difference between roleplaying and out-of-game discussion. No matter how you spin it, asking CCP for changes is never roleplaying.



You do realize this goes both ways? You seem to think that what you call "pvper's" (read your sig) want carebears gone, when all they really want is to break their illusion of perfect safety. Just because it's entertaining to do so as well should not be a reason clouding your judgement. They also want a more balanced risk/reward distribution for everyone. When carebears say it's not worth leaving highsec as the risk/reward does not justify it, I totally agree with them. This is why incentives need to be added outside until we get a better player distribution. Would this "stealth-nerf" highsec income? Absolutely.

They don't have perfect safety in hi-sec. There are plenty of ways to grief people there.

Using carebears so much really taints your thread. Shows a weakness in your arguments.

There are plenty of incentives out there now. Not everyone wants to play the way you do. Some people... dare I say it... have fun playing Eve rather than making it a job.

I prefer 'the leave it the f*ck alone' perspective. I'm not trying to dictate anything on anyone. I'm not saying the game is only for me. I'm not saying the game is only for hi-sec players. I'm not saying the game is only for low-sec players. I'm not saying the game is only for WH players. I'm not saying the game is only for null sec players. I'm saying LITFA before you screw it up.

They don't have perfect safety in hi-sec. There are plenty of ways to grief people there.

Using carebears so much really taints your thread. Shows a weakness in your arguments.

There are plenty of incentives out there now. Not everyone wants to play the way you do. Some people... dare I say it... have fun playing Eve rather than making it a job.

I prefer 'the leave it the f*ck alone' perspective. I'm not trying to dictate anything on anyone. I'm not saying the game is only for me. I'm not saying the game is only for hi-sec players. I'm not saying the game is only for low-sec players. I'm not saying the game is only for WH players. I'm not saying the game is only for null sec players. I'm saying LITFA before you screw it up.

Although I would honestly love to see CCP separate high from low and null. Such that people can travel back and forth but only in a shuttle (with an empty cargo hold) or pod and they have a separate wallet for which money can not be sent between the two wallet types. Just for a couple months, to see how well low/null survives. I bet that it wouldn't be long before the low/null people are begging to open it up again.

Its getting ever safer as time goes by and I can assure you that nobody greifs people unless there are daft or looking to get banned.


Its the bears who are strangling this game.



If this was true we wouldn't be building most of our stuff in empire and grinding up a good bulk of the isk to fun our wars too.



All we are asking for is for the damage already done to be fixed and an end to the nerfing of our playstyle.

They don't have perfect safety in hi-sec. There are plenty of ways to grief people there.

Using carebears so much really taints your thread. Shows a weakness in your arguments.

There are plenty of incentives out there now. Not everyone wants to play the way you do. Some people... dare I say it... have fun playing Eve rather than making it a job.

I prefer 'the leave it the f*ck alone' perspective. I'm not trying to dictate anything on anyone. I'm not saying the game is only for me. I'm not saying the game is only for hi-sec players. I'm not saying the game is only for low-sec players. I'm not saying the game is only for WH players. I'm not saying the game is only for null sec players. I'm saying LITFA before you screw it up.

TBH nerfs aren't needed, if they do anything they should buff lo & null. make them actually worthwhile so people don't need hisec alts to rake it in. Hisec doesn't need a buff, if lo & null were buffed it wouldn't seem like it needed nerfing either.

That's a totally different discussion, although it does influence this one.

I don't look at EVE as a place where I can determine a style and then act it out forever in impregnable solitude (and there are games where you can do that), but rather like an interactive narrative. I can set the course of the story and choose responses, but I also have to respond to the events around me, and my own story can be influenced by the choices of others. I think that's a good thing, I think it makes the game more fun.

In practice, I find this is a healthy attitude to adopt, because it encourages running with the plot twists thrown up by fate and by other people. Last night, for example, I was taking a short trip to get some rig components and I encountered a double gate camp in a geographically important system. I passed it in my empty shuttle, but I didn't want to try going back that way once I had my goods. This meant adding about 17 jumps to my journey.

Rather than looking on that as an inconvenience or interruption to my playstyle, I looked on it as an in game event that afforded me the opportunity to do something different, something that I hadn't been expecting to do. I looked at the markets of the several different regions I had to pass through on my long detour home, and made some blueprint purchases, did a little low volume trading. I had fun with the turn of events, more than I normally would have had on a planned trip for the same purposes, because it was spontaneous and felt creative. The positive of having your plans messed up is that it also breaks up your routine and lets you veer off in a new direction. It's a plot twist.

I don't see people like pirates as griefers, but rather as guys who inject excitement into what to might otherwise become stale matters of habit. Similarly, peaceful industrials are potential partners, customers, or rivals. It's all good.

Benefit is that this will force players out to Losec and Null in an effort to find and harvest a larger amount and assortment of minerals, while not removing it entirely from Hisec.

People crying Nerf, anywhere in the game are either short sighted or dangerous.

If you follow this path of nerf to balance, it has one end conclusion. A "balanced" EVE that nobody plays. When I say "nobody" I don't include the fringe Niche, exception gang. They won't be enough to support the game though. Much like they aren't enough to support making 2000 Marauders or dropping LP for as many CNR's when you know most people will be wanting something else.

Titans were released with remote DD through cynos. It was nerfed, and it forced titans to be on grid to fire off their DD, and made more titans die. Then titans' AOE DD was changed into a single ship DD, and suddenly huge gameplay avenues were opened, and everyone (except titan pilots, I suppose) thought it was good.


"hurr all nerfs are bad and all nerfs will turn EVE into an EVE which nobody plays durr"

Meanwhile we've now regularly got 500+ fleet fights and sometimes 1000+ fleetfights and no way for a single person to wipe out a whole grid.

Yep, all nerfs are bad, indeed.

And EVE now lives and dies by the single doctrine of barf out the biggest blob to win EVE.

They didn't nerf titans when nobody had them They knew they were over powered but they didn't do it even though were unbalanced and they knew it. Bait and switch? They waited untill a hand full of people wadded a fuckload of resources in to them (no, dickhead I wasn't one of them so stick your incoming hurr durr up your fat ass)

They don't nerf on balance. They nerf on popularity. Running your own game in to the ground based on making it unpopular piece by piece has one end conclusion.