No, not at all. I'm assuming that you've realized how mistaken you are?

Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?

EVE is clearly fueled by competition and cannot survive without it. You don't need to spend 15$ per month to look at nebulae and 3D ship models.

Anyone who uses "forcing me to do this" in their argument intrigues me; I have no idea why they are spending money on this game in the first place. The only thing really forcing you to anything is your own brain. If you are tired of getting your progress slowed, it's nobody's fault but your own that you do not use the tools given to everyone.

If you don't like shooting ships, that's your problem. Just don't try telling me those who shoot ships have an unfair advantage when it is clearly an advantage. In fact, anything you do in this game gives you an advantage over those who don't.

That is just as crazy as people moving to a different country and asking for laws to accommodate their personal needs or beliefs.

It really just depends how many players (money) CCP wants. We know the vast preponderance of people play in high-sec. The math is easy enough from there.

I give you this not-uncommon opinion from outside of New Eden:

"The problem is that EVE is a very self-selecting community, and frankly some of its devs and a good number of its high-profile players are the sort who only have fun at someone else's expense.

Consequently, too few folks in the larger MMO community want to play EVE. It's a game made by wolves, for wolves, and therefore it's quite limited in scope compared to a more well-rounded sandbox. Yes, EVE offers more potential than any other current MMO, but because of the personalities involved, that potential almost always translates into new and amazing ways to be an ass."

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/26/some-assembly-required-why-soe-should-be-leading-the-sandbox-ch/

So again, it just boils down to how many players they want :p

It really just depends how many players (money) CCP wants. We know the vast preponderance of people play in high-sec. The math is easy enough from there.

I give you this not-uncommon opinion from outside of New Eden:

"The problem is that EVE is a very self-selecting community, and frankly some of its devs and a good number of its high-profile players are the sort who only have fun at someone else's expense.

Consequently, too few folks in the larger MMO community want to play EVE. It's a game made by wolves, for wolves, and therefore it's quite limited in scope compared to a more well-rounded sandbox. Yes, EVE offers more potential than any other current MMO, but because of the personalities involved, that potential almost always translates into new and amazing ways to be an ass."

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/26/some-assembly-required-why-soe-should-be-leading-the-sandbox-ch/

So again, it just boils down to how many players they want :p

What is ironic, is that you have no idea what ironic means.

I think the word you were looking for was "surprising". However, there is nothing surprising here; it's called human nature. Additionally, those "ass hats" give value to good actions and without them there would be no contrast between good and evil.

I can't think of an MMO that is a more "well rounded" sandbox than EVE. Anyway, as for catering to the mass bear audience... in the very short term it seems desirable - wow has a trillion players, lets do whatever they did! Yeah! But look at all the other wow clones out there, they have a nice initial little bubble, then in a few months they're utterly dead. Does CCP want longevity with a smaller playerbase of wolves, or a large player base of bears that completely vanishes after a year, tops?

It actually IS rather surprising. It's not human nature to be evil, quite the opposite.

/edit: I'd love to see how this game would be 2 days after alot of nullbears got their wishes granted, and Concord was retired. Good luck buying your cheapish doctrine ships, and especially the trit needed to build your SC's :)

It actually IS rather surprising. It's not human nature to be evil, quite the opposite.

The ability to have a small area in your life where you can live out your more evil sides without facing consequences just tend to bring out the worst in people who dont dare to face said consequences in real life.

/edit: I'd love to see how this game would be 2 days after alot of nullbears got their wishes granted, and Concord was retired. Good luck buying your cheapish doctrine ships, and especially the trit needed to build your SC's in an environment where it's quite hard to justify setting up an efficient mining op. :)

And here I thought I was curing stupid...

It really just depends how many players (money) CCP wants. We know the vast preponderance of people play in high-sec. The math is easy enough from there.

I give you this not-uncommon opinion from outside of New Eden:

"The problem is that EVE is a very self-selecting community, and frankly some of its devs and a good number of its high-profile players are the sort who only have fun at someone else's expense.

Consequently, too few folks in the larger MMO community want to play EVE. It's a game made by wolves, for wolves, and therefore it's quite limited in scope compared to a more well-rounded sandbox. Yes, EVE offers more potential than any other current MMO, but because of the personalities involved, that potential almost always translates into new and amazing ways to be an ass."

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/26/some-assembly-required-why-soe-should-be-leading-the-sandbox-ch/

So again, it just boils down to how many players they want :p

It really just depends how many players (money) CCP wants. [...] So again, it just boils down to how many players they want

I can't beat the ignorant... they drag me down to their level and beat me with their lifetime of experience.

We wouldn't expect you to start beating yourself, even when you are wrong.

PvP = Player verse Player.
This includes, but not limited to: Mining. Trading. Ship spinning. Hauling. Combat. etc. etc. I could go on with the list, but you still wouldn't understand the concept.

If a new player comes onto the forums asking to learn PvP, what skills do you suggest to them? That's what I thought. Thanks for playing.

Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you

Yet the high sec bears continue to try to get rid of playstyles they dont like.

you made a mistake. independent of goonswarm efforts 0.0 sec ares is not called "high sec". You (still) should have said "0.0 sec bears"

Your goonrage is showing.

Sheep waltzes into the lair of a wolf pack
cries that it's full of wolves
stays there anyway

welcome to eve online

Continuing the fable....

Pack of wolves goes looking for sheep, find out they've covered themselves in camo, hide in the trees, communicate with closed channel radios and only fight when they outnumber wolves 5:1 with AK-47s. Wolves cry it's unfair and say they just want "gud fites" with the sheep.

They try multiple times and fail and their whines fall on deaf ears. So they stop looking for sheep in the forest and go slaughter veal cows (cows locked into stables so their legs turn to jelly and they do nothing but eat all day) and when the cows complain, the wolves point to the sheep and say HTFU.

The sheep tell the cows how to protect themselves. They ignore them and keep whining and dying. Even the wolves tell them how to protect themselves, but they still keep whining and dying.

Fearing a loss in profit, the farmer makes the stables sturdier, gets better guard dogs and makes the cows fatter. The wolves still figure out how to kill the veal cows "profitably", so the farmer tells every redneck in town that they can hunt wolves on his property to their heart's content.

Welcome to present-day eve online.

Of course I wouldn't ;)... then I read posts where people use both of the meanings in an attempt to prove Eve is really just a PvP game (read sig). That's the real problem I have. Too many posters are trying to argue Eve is a PvP (read sig) only game where everything else is just fluff. There are tons of players who don't PvP (read sig) and don't want to... it would be news to them that Eve is a PvP (read sig) game.

So I ask the question of you as I have asked of the others: If a new player comes onto the forums asking to learn PvP, what skills do you suggest to them? That's what I thought. Thanks for playing.

Continuing the fable....

Pack of wolves goes looking for sheep, find out they've covered themselves in camo, hide in the trees, communicate with closed channel radios and only fight when they outnumber wolves 5:1 with AK-47s. Wolves cry it's unfair and say they just want "gud fites" with the sheep.

They try multiple times and fail and their whines fall on deaf ears. So they stop looking for sheep in the forest and go slaughter veal cows (cows locked into stables so their legs turn to jelly and they do nothing but eat all day) and when the cows complain, the wolves point to the sheep and say HTFU.

The sheep tell the cows how to protect themselves. They ignore them and keep whining and dying. Even the wolves tell them how to protect themselves, but they still keep whining and dying.

Fearing a loss in profit, the farmer makes the stables sturdier, gets better guard dogs and makes the cows fatter. The wolves still figure out how to kill the veal cows "profitably", so the farmer tells every redneck in town that they can hunt wolves on his property to their heart's content.

Welcome to present-day eve online.

Your limitations on what the term PvP means is merely that, your limitation. It doesn't change the fact that PvP means Player verses Player. In the context of Eve's game play, it means Eve is PvP centric.

As far as your question goes, it would depend on the circumstance in which the question was asked.

Thanks for playing.

You guys waged a campaign against high-sec miners. You used early 20th century Anti-Semitic propaganda. You said you hated what they stood for.

Not that I log in...

Keep up the hypocrisy space-nerds

Yes, and they did stuff, IN SPACE, mechanically, to do it. They played within the rules and created emergent gameplay. Awesome. If the miners/carebears had united in a similar in game mechanical way and rose up to fight the griefers, it would have been awesome.

But you don't do that. Instead, you whine on the forums and try to get CCP to limit gameplay for others, since it hurts you.

You want to stop people? Go stop them. Stop trying to hide behind CCP.

What honestly makes you think carebears give a tit about each other?

Do you give a **** about anyone that isnt a threat to you? Thats why it will never work. And that is why all attempts have failed.
Your mindless pipe dream of having a crap ton of mindless zombie ships band together against null sec is never going to happen. Stop dreaming.

A mere fraction of these high sec lone wolves banding together would wipe Goons and the CFC (who I am using as examples) off the map in less than a week, but that takes *gasp* talking to other people in an MMO and risking the loss of pixels... oh noes...

If taking sov is anything like what I've heard, these "high-sec wolves" you speak of would be bored in an hour or so.

Fake E: I take that back, miners might be eminently suitable for the task of structure grinds, if they could be troubled to step into a combat ship...