[...] So let's get this through everyone's heads once and for all, okay? CCP is a business. A business is an organism designed to acquire money from people. If it fails to do this, it dies. The way CCP makes money is through subscriptions, preferably long subscriptions that last for years. [...]

Any business finance team wont be concerned about the minority of players unsubbing from the game, they will (if they are any good) be more interested in the long term appeal and attraction of the game. If you lose even 1000 players next week with some changes but you feel the game will produce a long term attraction that will draw in 6000 players over the next 12 months, what are you going to do?

Remove all mining? Of course not. You simply want to remove all high-sec mining. Which, in turn, lets all of your null-sec bot fleets monopolize the entire market. Which, in turn, means everyone will have to go to null-sec to buy anything. Which, in turn, is only possible if they are willing to swear fealty to your wonderful null-sec alliance. Which, in turn, gives your CEO another pixel on his e-peen. Which, in turn, is pretty much the raison d'etre of playing EvE, right? To force everyone to play the way you want them to or not at all?

Because the vocal minority of anti-miner tards and pvp tards on the forum is clearly a representative sample of the customer base as a whole.

What I'm saying is that for us **customers**, asking the game to move away from these key features under the pretense that "I will unsubscribe" is paradoxical. It would be easier to ask CCP for a new game called VeV which would move away from these two features as much as possible.

Highsec is usually bashed because it it fails to offer a) and gives a false feeling there is no b). Highsec is meant to be a newbie land, which is something this game needs. What often happens is that some people can never "level-up" from being newbies in EVE, and others figure out some highsec rewards are on-par with other secs.

But this "forcing me to..." argument does comes not only from highsec. Take a look at AFK cloaking in 0.0. Take a look at lowsec gatecamps. People don't like the tools given to them to counter these, so they demand a CCP counter (nerf).

The issue is that when it comes to working for their accounting department, neither do you. CCP can decide to close their game. CCP can also decide to make their whole game highsec. CCP can decide to create a completely new game.

This game stands out with two key features:

a) - Conquerable space thousands can call "home".
b) - Complete loss of your ship and modules and sometimes implants when KIA.

What I'm saying is that for us **customers**, asking the game to move away from these key features under the pretense that "I will unsubscribe" is paradoxical. It would be easier to ask CCP for a new game called VeV which would move away from these two features as much as possible.

Highsec is usually bashed because it it fails to offer a) and gives a false feeling there is no b). Highsec is meant to be a newbie land, which is something this game needs. What often happens is that some people can never "level-up" from being newbies in EVE, and others figure out some highsec rewards are on-par with other secs.

But this "forcing me to..." argument does comes not only from highsec. Take a look at AFK cloaking in 0.0. Take a look at lowsec gatecamps. People don't like the tools given to them to counter these, so they demand a CCP counter (nerf).

Unfortunately, CCP have made it quite clear that they're moving in that direction.

Spoken like someone who actually has no idea about how to run a business.

As someone who sits right outside the Finance Director of my company's office and right next to the Finance team (they are all accountants btw) they couldn't care less if one of our customers left the company, as long as we gained 2 more. Any business finance team wont be concerned about the minority of players unsubbing from the game, they will (if they are any good) be more interested in the long term appeal and attraction of the game. If you lose even 1000 players next week with some changes but you feel the game will produce a long term attraction that will draw in 6000 players over the next 12 months, what are you going to do?

Likewise I doubt the finance team has much to do with the game itself. I'd even bet most the accounts don't even have a "CCP [Unfunny in-joke]" name to post on here with. They'll look at the game like this: How many players did we lose over the quarter? How many players did we gain? Have the development team given us a reasonable expectation that player growth will continue?

Even a dip in numbers in one quarter isn't a concern.

TL;DR You're wrong.

You guys ever pause and read what you post? Like really 'pause' and fathom what you all type, the ridiculousness of it all? The sort of calm dictator who does what he must. It's quite awesome quite frankly. You guys are in the wrong game you should try real life politics, you would find a lot of company there.

Pro-tip: It's all about the demographic. Pooping all over your current audience in a desperate hope to gain a different audience is nearly always suicide, especially when you already are a very niche product.

In a certain PvP focused MMO the vocal minority dominated the forums stating they were not getting enough rewards for their actions. Their gripe was that the larger population, the blob, received the rewards even though a minority did all the fighting.

The developers listened to this mnority, which I was one of, and shifted the rewards more towards those willing to take risk.

Almost two years later the population is 1/20th of its previous levels from 2 years ago and the game continues its death shuffle. Now the forums reminisce of how wonderful the game was when it had population and battlefields filled with hundreds instead of dozens.

But hey, carry on. I think CCP can tolerate your whining more than they can tolerate a change in their bank accounts.

Counterpoint: Trammel.

Actually, our family business has kept us well feed for quite a long time. But whatever, believe what you want. The Universe is not obligated to keep a straight face.

Remove all mining? Of course not. You simply want to remove all high-sec mining. Which, in turn, lets all of your null-sec bot fleets monopolize the entire market. Which, in turn, means everyone will have to go to null-sec to buy anything. Which, in turn, is only possible if they are willing to swear fealty to your wonderful null-sec alliance. Which, in turn, gives your CEO another pixel on his e-peen. Which, in turn, is pretty much the raison d'etre of playing EvE, right? To force everyone to play the way you want them to or not at all?

The belligerent undesirables will be pushed out and then the game will be for everyone.

What if I want to be belligerent and undesirable in my sandbox?

You are belligerent and undesirable in our sandbox.

I've certainly never pegged you for desirable and unbelligerent.

Do we have to go there? The only thing positive that expansion added was housing space.

But we already have the captain's quarters.

Because I hate you.

And this is different from null-bears how, exactly?

Bumping is both a labour of love and an educational program, the bumpers are there to protect the interests of everybody in hisec from the hordes of AFKers and bots that currently populate Ice belts. The bumpers are using a game mechanic to educate about the dangers of both AFK and bot aspirant gameplay.

If you're going to mine Ice, don't bot, be at your keyboard and paying attention to your surroundings, pay the small annual fee for a permit to the New Order and be free to mine without the risk of being bumped by the New Orders agents. As long as you're physically present at your keyboard, paying attention and have a permit the New Order are happy to let you continue with your chosen activity without interference.

Anyone who bumps my miner is going to get a nasty surprise. And I will NOT be paying James 315 a single isk so I can mine. I'm not a fan of extortion, bullying or psychotics. The only reason I mine is to get the materials to replace my pvp ships if I lose them.

Pray tell how you're going to surprise a bumper?

We already get suicide ganked, petitioned and James has been wardecced multiple times, what new wrinkle do you have for our entertainment?

We work in hisec, we work within the mechanics of hisec and the restrictions of the EULA, you are more than welcome to do the same but the likelihood of surprising a bumper is next to nil, because we expect all of these things.