To be fair... Nothing should reduce a ships signature radius... It's the size of the ship. How some magical links or implants have an effect on the size of your ship is ******** enough, introducing a skill as well would be beyond silly.

using skills provides new choices that players can make about priorities. Decisions like whether to train your sensor compensation skill to 4 or get and extra level of surgical strike, whether you should train another race's sensor corp or focus on your favorite race in order to specialize, are the kind of choices the skill system is designed to create.

We also believe that providing skills to help defend against things like ewar gives useful tools to players. With the introduction of these sensor comp skills there will be skills that mitigate every form of ewar except target painters. As we move forward I would not be averse to adding a sig radius reducing skill as well, as part of a general movement towards making signature radius more noticeable to everyday pilots.

As for the choice to make four skills instead of one, a basic premise of the eve skill system has always been that a newer player can overtake an older player in ability through specialization. Instead of making older players unbeatable the skill system is intended to use generalization and increased options as the benefits for older players, while giving newer player the option to be just about as good as anyone else at specific roles and specific sets of ships while they work towards adding more options for themselves. The four skills allow a newer player who focuses on one race first to get the same resistance to ECM as a much older player while only investing 1/4 the SP. Players are also welcome to broaden their scope, and training the first few levels of each skill will be a very quick affair, while getting them to level 5 for the last 5% bonus would require significant investment.

Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback so far.

One change to report at this time, we're extending the range boost to the Kitsune as well.

I'd also like to address the questions about why we've chosen skills as the route to increase sensor strength. Compared to just nerfing the base values of ECM or increasing the sensor strength of all ships, using skills provides new choices that players can make about priorities. Decisions like whether to train your sensor compensation skill to 4 or get and extra level of surgical strike, whether you should train another race's sensor corp or focus on your favorite race in order to specialize, are the kind of choices the skill system is designed to create.

We also believe that providing skills to help defend against things like ewar gives useful tools to players. With the introduction of these sensor comp skills there will be skills that mitigate every form of ewar except target painters. As we move forward I would not be averse to adding a sig radius reducing skill as well, as part of a general movement towards making signature radius more noticeable to everyday pilots.

As for the choice to make four skills instead of one, a basic premise of the eve skill system has always been that a newer player can overtake an older player in ability through specialization. Instead of making older players unbeatable the skill system is intended to use generalization and increased options as the benefits for older players, while giving newer player the option to be just about as good as anyone else at specific roles and specific sets of ships while they work towards adding more options for themselves. The four skills allow a newer player who focuses on one race first to get the same resistance to ECM as a much older player while only investing 1/4 the SP. Players are also welcome to broaden their scope, and training the first few levels of each skill will be a very quick affair, while getting them to level 5 for the last 5% bonus would require significant investment.

To answer one other question we're getting about unprobable ships, these skills will not make any ships unprobable since becoming unprobable was made impossible a little over a year ago. They will however make probing ships more difficult and some ships may require higher skill levels and better equipment to catch.

For the uninitiated.

Electronic Signature of a F-18 Super Hornet is about the size of a large seagull.

Electronic Signature of a F-35 Thunder II is about the size of a US quater.

Electronic Signature =/= Phsyical Size.

It's the size of the sensor signature your ship gives to others. Just as how a stealth bomber uses special materials and unique shapes to look smaller on radar than it actually is, in the world of Eve there are high tech methods to reduce the signature radius of a ship without reducing its physical size.

To be fair... Nothing should reduce a ships signature radius... It's the size of the ship. How some magical links or implants have an effect on the size of your ship is ******** enough, introducing a skill as well would be beyond silly.

I'm not averse to that idea at all, but due to the resources required it won't be possible for Retribution.

I'm not averse to that idea at all, but due to the resources required it won't be possible for Retribution.

We also believe that providing skills to help defend against things like ewar gives useful tools to players.

I have a HG Halo implant clone. When coupled with a Loki booster it has the following impact on some ships' signature radii:

Wolf - 33m to 16m
Thrasher - 56m to 28m
SFI - 96m to 48m

And we want to add a skill to further lower sig radius? Tell me more of this 'I win' button.

What if we nerf the Loki booster first?

What if we nerf the Loki booster first?

What if we nerf the Loki booster first?

What if we nerf the Loki booster first?

when might you do this?

or all off grid booster at once...

"Stay on target!"
Forget about the OGB for this thread.

Fozzie, you're doing great work, maybe you need a little rest, we hope you don't start slipping.
The reason people reject the idea of 4 racial skills for sensor strength and the opportunity cost of training them vs e.g. surgical strike, is that ECM is a terrible mechanic that is no fun, and too likely to result in a player unable to even take down 1 enemy when engineering a situation when they might otherwise have time to. Be that in a drawn out 1v1 or a 1vMany where some are split by aggro/positioning.

You admit ECM is the most broken EWAR and state you intent to significantly change the mechanic, in such a way that would require more work than is deemed reasonable to dedicate to meet a Dec 4th completion date. Thus these 4 racial skills are proposed as a stop-gap measure.

Before you can reasonably offer them to the player base you need to make clear and commit to the fact that:

• either the skills will really be as useful as any other multi-ship skill of such rank & mapping once the proper ECM fix is produced. this will require the playerbase to trust CCP on such a judgement like almost never before (though you're record's getting better);
• or state now that SP put into these skills will be reimbursed (or transferred into some other equal game-time reward) should they become a hinderance to the future ECM fix.

If you can't do either of these, then you seriously need to look into merging the skill into 1 while it's a stop-gap measure, or the other suggestions of straight-up reducing ECM strength and/or jam time (effectively giving everyone the effect without the wait for the pvp-mandatory training). And/or just strongly nerf/remove the meta0 tech1 EC drones of utter hatred.

At least you can see if a falcon's following a gang as it jumps gates. You can't know everyone's fitted EC drones until the ball of them pops out or you start trawling out-of-game tools like killboards. And then you can't reposition against the little ******* or do much but try kill them asap. Their chance of jamming you far outweighs their tradeoff in potential dps.

I am of course only restating what many people have already directly said and obviously think.

Target Painter
*Set the TP strength bonus on TP bonused ships to 7.5% per level for T1 and 10% per level for T2

why not 10% for both t1 and t2.seems reasonable considering its not the most used ewar module

why are meta 4 jammers better than t2?

surely the extra cap useage (not to mention fitting requirments)of the t2 mod should make them slightly better than there meta 4 counter part. much in the same way t2 armor plates were recently adjusted isnt it about time you fix t2 jammers while your fixing EWAR.

However I admit that I am not perfect and thus might have missed a really compelling reason for them to use Mid slots. So can you please give me the reason why they should use midslots?

As for the choice to make four skills instead of one, a basic premise of the eve skill system has always been that a newer player can overtake an older player in ability through specialization. Instead of making older players unbeatable the skill system is intended to use generalization and increased options as the benefits for older players, while giving newer player the option to be just about as good as anyone else at specific roles and specific sets of ships while they work towards adding more options for themselves. The four skills allow a newer player who focuses on one race first to get the same resistance to ECM as a much older player while only investing 1/4 the SP. Players are also welcome to broaden their scope, and training the first few levels of each skill will be a very quick affair, while getting them to level 5 for the last 5% bonus would require significant investment.