Fleet hangers where is the update on fleet hangers

Shortcuts can also be a good way to open and close inventories. Alt-C will open the main Inventory window. Alt-N is for Ship hangar and alt-G is for Item hangar.

In order to cater to these two ways of interacting with wrecks we created a mechanic that checks if the player has the index tree expanded or not. If it is expanded, we add the wreck to the index tree and do not open up a separate wreck cargo window. If the index tree is collapsed, however, we open it in a new window.

We have updated how wrecks are displayed in the Index Tree. They now show the wreck bracket with all its useful information and the ship name and the distance. If a wreck moves out of range, it greys out but stays visible so that you can use the Index Tree to approach it.

No access means you canGÇÖt view itGÇÖs content nor move anything from it

We believe these User Testing sessions are the way to go with future development work

Ok, how can I participate? Something that I see the point in, hope it'd make eve better :)

i think that participating is just login in Buck and reporting bugs / posting in forums

Does your problem above still exist on Bucky?

we have changed the default behavior of the index tree in such a way that now when you open any inventory in a separate window you isolate the tree of that inventory.

You can now make the width of the index tree much greater than before, as well as minimize the inventory content area all the way down if you just want to use the window to view the index tree of a certain tab.

You will also notice a set of GÇÿ<<GÇÖ and GÇÿ>>GÇÖ icons to the left of the View mode icons in the Inventory window. These are the Back and Forward buttons to move between the inventories in the order you selected them within the same window.

We believe these User Testing sessions are the way to go with future development work and would like to open them up to an even broader audience and do sessions at an even earlier prototype stage in the future.

Now if only the ship bay would switch on its own when switching ships...

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@CCP - I have a (terrible) recording of some UI latency while fitting ships. Figured I'd pass it on, but who would want to see it?

Ah, it wasn't mentioned in the blog but if you have your Active ship's inventory selected and switch to another ship, the Inventory will stay on the active ship, instead of the ship that was active before you changed ships, because that is what players expect.

Ah, it wasn't mentioned in the blog but if you have your Active ship's inventory selected and switch to another ship, the Inventory will stay on the active ship, instead of the ship that was active before you changed ships, because that is what players expect.

NOTE: THIS IS NOT A TROLL

I can't tell the difference between the limited and restricted icons. My digital color meter is telling me the limited is 115,101,34 and the restricted is 136,47,34 but I can't tell them apart as it falls too much into the golden/greenish area. Can you make it more yellow (like the wreck icons)?

You will also notice a set of GÇÿ<<GÇÖ and GÇÿ>>GÇÖ icons to the left of the View mode icons in the Inventory window. These are the Back and Forward buttons to move between the inventories in the order you selected them within the same window. You will also be able to use the mouse to go back and forward, if you have a mouse with such buttons.

Overall, very awesome changes to the inventory. It looks like you're going to fix a lot of annoyances.

One big point of concern (for me especially):



Please please please please PLEASE give us a check box to disable this feature.

I use the thumb buttons on my mouse to talk on TS, and when I have reason to have multiple TS/Vent/Mumble clients open, I use the other thumb button to work the second client. Needless to say, when I'm trying to browse the web and talk on TS, it is a HUGE pain in the ass. Every time someone asks me a question or says something to me that needs a response, I end up either going backward or forward on the internet if I have focus on the browser. When I read the highlighted statement, my thoughts immediately went to fighting with the inventory while trying to talk on TS. Overall, anything that improves ease of use is a good thing, but understand that there are going to be a significant number of players out there in my situation, and for them it will be a major headache, probably the BIGGEST headache of the patch.

Overall the changes seem good. My question is however. Why do I need to open a wreck to "loot all"? Why can't I click on the wreck in the overview and then click a loot button on the

Nice work, the changes look nice.

While you are looking into corp hanger permissions, would it be possible to address the issue of not being able to directly drag items from a corporate hanger to the trade window? At the moment (even if you have the correct permissions) you must first move it to your personal hanger before trading it.

I understand this would probably be a small use case, but for test_free (the program that we have to give out free ships to newbies from the corp hanger) this is used very heavily and would make our lives easier.

you might be color blind then, because i see the limited one yellow, the restricted one red

I prefer the term color rod impaired.

Have you made it so i can click the "expensive" filter and click "loot all" and it will only loot the expensive items from a wreck?

If not, please do this.

NOTE: THIS IS NOT A TROLL

I can't tell the difference between the limited and restricted icons. My digital color meter is telling me the limited is 115,101,34 and the restricted is 136,47,34 but I can't tell them apart as it falls too much into the golden/greenish area. Can you make it more yellow (like the wreck icons)?

irrelevant cause the price estimation is related to the region you are currently in, so the regional market could be flawed on specific items (both ways indeed)

no, it's a global price

no, it's a global price

Nice work, the changes look nice.

While you are looking into corp hanger permissions, would it be possible to address the issue of not being able to directly drag items from a corporate hanger to the trade window? At the moment (even if you have the correct permissions) you must first move it to your personal hanger before trading it.

I understand this would probably be a small use case, but for test_free (the program that we have to give out free ships to newbies from the corp hanger) this is used very heavily and would make our lives easier.

Please please please please PLEASE give us a check box to disable this feature.

Which type of color blindness is it? We tested this out using both Protanopia and Deuteranopia and it had a visible difference between the two types. Let me know what type of color blindness it is and I'll look into it for you.

Hope that helps.

Is there a particular reason an item's text name changes to a darker grey (and remains that way until either re-opening the window entirely or doing Stack All) after the item has been selected + deselected? (Yes, the RGB values actually differ) If so, what is the reason? If you want screenshots showing it, or an official in-game bug made for it, I'm happy to provide either.

Which type of color blindness is it? We tested this out using both Protanopia and Deuteranopia and it had a visible difference between the two types. Let me know what type of color blindness it is and I'll look into it for you.

Hope that helps.

But we don't want to rush into anything and are carefully taking one step at a time in order to do things properly

Which type of color blindness is it? We tested this out using both Protanopia and Deuteranopia and it had a visible difference between the two types. Let me know what type of color blindness it is and I'll look into it for you.

Hope that helps.

why you don't then attribute another config to those buttons in your drivers, then match them to your voip software?

i too use the middle thumb button for the push-to-talk, and because of simiar issue i sat up a mapping and then it works

They can be changed or cleared via "Shortcuts - General" in the Esc Menu.

Also if you are using the Back or Forward buttons on your mouse for Push-to-Talk, (like I do myself) it might be good to open SetPoint or whatever software you use to set up your mouse. There you can change what these buttons do by default and set a custom function for them per software, which allows you to turn them off for Browsers only, for example.

I may have overlooked it in reading, but is the "Open Corporate Hangars" button coming back in station, or do we still have to find it on the tree?

I see some comments in the dev blog about scroll bars, but one thing is missing: make the scroll bar on the index tree pane wider than 2 pixels, so we can actually click it.

Oh, one more Q, since the nice CCPs are answering... Will the 'scroll on drag' behaviour be copied to other windows we can drag to? Specifically, bookmarks. If you have a lot of personal bookmarks you're trying to move to a corp folder (or another personal folder), and you can't make both the bookmarks and the target folder visible by resizing the bookmarks window, you have to move your bookmarks to an inventory container first, which takes a long time and you can only do 5 at a time, then move them into the target folder, which also takes a long time. Copy/paste would also work great.

"You will also notice a set of GÇÿ<<GÇÖ and GÇÿ>>GÇÖ icons to the left of the View mode icons in the Inventory window. These are the Back and Forward buttons to move between the inventories in the order you selected them within the same window. You will also be able to use the mouse to go back and forward, if you have a mouse with such buttons."

:sigh:

I was the one that opened the FanFest roundtable bringing up issues about how the colorblind see things. Looking through the blog, I came to the 'limited access' vs. 'no access' icons for hangars. I can barely tell the difference between the yellow and red being used.

I will ask again what I said at that round table: Please use a different symbol. Maybe use an X in the circle for the 'no access'. It isn't like we are trying to see something that is encircled and crossed by the icon, like you would on a road sign to tell you what is prohibited. Relying on color alone to distinguish states is incredibly frustrating to me in the rest of my life (I work support for an equipment manufacturer who unfortunately uses 'amber' and 'red' for the same LED to distinguish states. I have to get a co-worker to look at them to see what they are for me). I really don't need it in a game.

Thank you.

Which type of color blindness is it? We tested this out using both Protanopia and Deuteranopia and it had a visible difference between the two types. Let me know what type of color blindness it is and I'll look into it for you.

Hope that helps.

How about a yellow triangle and a red octagon? Like yield and stop signs.

Irregessa: For your LED issue, could you get a red filter? You hold it in front the LED. If it gets just a little dimmer, its red. If it gets alot dimmer, its yellow. If you taped in front of the LED so the LED was half covered you could tell by the brightness difference between the covered and uncovered halves what the color is at any time.

:sigh:

I was the one that opened the FanFest roundtable bringing up issues about how the colorblind see things. Looking through the blog, I came to the 'limited access' vs. 'no access' icons for hangars. I can barely tell the difference between the yellow and red being used.

I will ask again what I said at that round table: Please use a different symbol. Maybe use an X in the circle for the 'no access'. It isn't like we are trying to see something that is encircled and crossed by the icon, like you would on a road sign to tell you what is prohibited. Relying on color alone to distinguish states is incredibly frustrating to me in the rest of my life (I work support for an equipment manufacturer who unfortunately uses 'amber' and 'red' for the same LED to distinguish states. I have to get a co-worker to look at them to see what they are for me). I really don't need it in a game.

Thank you.

I would greatly appreciate it if you could do this to the info windows as well. Would be nice to be able to navigate between the info windows on various items without having to move the cursor over those tiny things and try to click click them. ( As far as i am aware we can't do that, feel free to prove me wrong and educate me if we can.)

Any chance of enabling/disabling the auto open option when dragging items to a container in the tree view or setting a longer duration? Or what about once you wait the 5 second time every container you mouse over opens instantly after the first? I find that most of the time when this feature happens it was unintentional, and the only options are to drag back the items to their original container, drag them off the screen because the original container is not displayed, or wait though 45 seconds of checking each additional container to find the one I was looking for. I could deal with it if I didn't need to wait an additional 5 seconds per container after the first one.

So yeah, enable/disable, or set wait time, or after the first 5 seconds any additional moused over containers display the contents without a 5 second wait.

I may have missed this but was the issue resolved where you have 3 windows open in a station

1) corp hanger
2) item hanger
3) ship cargo

Un-dock and you get 2 windows open showing your ships cargo?

That feature will get it's very own blog

Mmm updates to that window is always good...

And reading about the amazing client performance you get in Retribution, any chance at all that you could apply that change to the mail client as well - so that one actually can read (and find) mails older than a month?

Keep up the good work!

/c

+1 for returning Alt-C to its old purpose of opening up the Ship's cargo.

On my current setup, I have Alt-G set to open the hangar floor, Alt-C for the cargo (like $DIETY intended), and Alt-N for the ship hangar.

Not sure what other keystrokes are available, but Alt-I is a common one for "inventory" in other games.

This will result in you only having one window open, Ship cargo (3) since that goes with you when you undock.
When you dock again in any station, the item hangar (2) will appear again as you left it
and when you dock again in the same station with the office you left the Corp hangar (1) open in, that will welcome you exactly as you left it.

• All windows that show something in your active ship will persist between undock/dock.
• Item hangar and Ship hangar will persist in all stations globally, how you left them once you dock again.
• Corporate hangars will persist how you left them when you dock again in each office individually.

One issue there is that they've lowered the total number of messages that you can have to 1500 (down from 3000, at least we think that's the old limit).

So, if you have a lot of messages in your Trash folder. Empty it and then use the Reset Settings (in the Escape menu) and clear your mail cache (and possibly relog). Then your older messages will show back up again.

The limit really sucks for those of us who subscribe to large volume mailing lists. Or who are in a busy alliance and need to keep 1500+ messages at our fingertips.

How about optional dual panes (and dual directory trees).

The addition of tabs would be VERY welcome; the directory tree can be very cluttered for advanced users, and very inefficient to work with.
Configurable tabs would solve this, perhaps different set of tabs (color coded/different UI locations or whatever);

Active ship locations (drone bay, cargo hold, corp hangar, ore bay etc)
Corporation hangars
Personal Locations, containers
POS objects

Trying to emulate the old win95 file manager in 2012 is so 1995, what CCP needs to do is to develop a modern user friendly file manager (because it's a crucial part of their main GAME and income).

Issues we have found and fixed to date:

• High chance of a severe performance hit when assembling a number of ships or containers in quick succession.
• ...

How about a column to show the meta levels of the items, so we dont have to right click on every single item we have in inventory to determing we want to sell / keep, reprocess, use for research. If we could sort by that column, that would be awesome too.
Thanks

I just took an online test, which said that I was mostly Deuteranopic but also had significant Protanopia, with very little if any Tritanopia. That is part of the problem with testing with one type of colorblindness at a time - it is a result of multiple copies of several genes, and the human population represents a whole spectrum of colorblindness. How to program for that?

USE SHAPES IN ADDITION TO COLORS

It is bad enough that in the overview/local window the same symbol is used to represent someone who is in my corp, someone who is in my alliance and someone who has declared war on me and can freely kill me in high sec. Yes, I know I can change the colors of the icons, but why are these all using the same icon?

Will do. This is a defect, will investigate if there is a technical reason we cannot allow users to drag directly from a division to the trade window. A few people have mentioned it in this thread so I would assume that this is a problem for more than some.

Ah, it wasn't mentioned in the blog but if you have your Active ship's inventory selected and switch to another ship, the Inventory will stay on the active ship, instead of the ship that was active before you changed ships, because that is what players expect.

Was looking at performance issues together with a few other team members. Feel free to post it in this thread or the Inventory Performance thread. Though it may have been caught as part of the general improvements.

Also you are welcome!

Ahh it so happens that if you choose to use the Back and Forward keybindings on your mouse (which is customizable in the Esc Menu) it will in fact work for other Back and Forward buttons in EVE, in the Show info windows for example

I'm sorry, i know this isn't the place to discuss this but for the love of all that's sacred i can't find the bindings. Would you be so kind as to give me some detailed info on where those bindings are?

I also made Alt+I my inventory and overwrote the industry window with it

We also wanted to make stacking of items better. Currently when you want to stack items together, you donGÇÖt really know if it works until you try, and then you might get a rude error message saying you canGÇÖt. We also noticed that sometimes when players just want to move an item into an inventory they will accidentally move it over an item that will give them an error message saying they canGÇÖt stack those items.

Lots of good changes here :)

Although from the performance part wtf is "Plastic wraps"?????

Also I'm not colour blind and I didn't notice the difference between the icons until I went back and looked at them again. (Maybe my quick glance only sees grey-scale :P ) Different Icons will be better, agreed with the circle and cross from the Cert Planer

Plastic Wraps are the containers used to do courier contracts.

They apparently make the database people cry a bit as they have no set size (being determined by the contents of the contract)

Thank you so much for the improvements detailed in the dev blog. Looking forward to seeing them and using them in Retribution.

But two small questions. As a person who more or less always have my ship's cargohold window open when I play.
1. Can the state of the cargohold window persist between log-ins? If the cargohold was open when I logged out, I'd like it to be open wehen I log back in.
2. Would it be possible to implement a feature where you could set default location, size and stacked/unstacked parameters on the cargohold window? Like place and resize the window to your liking and click the window settings button and chose something like "save as default". So when you get in a brand new ship where you have never opened or moved the cargohold before, it will open with those parameters.

The new Active ship cargo window will take care of 2), but 1) is a good suggestion and I'll look into it personally.

This is great news!!

But one thing still wonders me... as I remember it, 1) actually worked long ago, but disappeared in an earlier version long before uni.inv. Possibly it was with Incarna (?) you did some fixes with the windows and this feature ceased to function... don't you have any documentation of current functionality so you can do regression tests when updating?

This Inventory update is the crown jewel of Retribution.

Iv'e been waiting since May for this.

Can we get a root button for "Active Ship Drone Bay" to drag into the neocom at some point?

That would be super slick. On Duality --> If we drag the drone bay from the active ship to the neocom it creates a button that only opens the drone bay of that specific ship, not any active ship.

Also, will we ever see corp hanger tabs again?

I would bug report the active ship drone bay being one ship linked only (Troublemaker!!)

With fleet hangers coming I do not see corp hanger tabs being link able in the neocom.

((I wasn't asking for specific corp hangers to be linkable in the neocom, more of an option to view the corp hangers in a single window with seven tabs. We will still have to navigate the corp hangers through the tree.))

Would add your wishes to the new lille things thread however.

Like if we could drag each one of the 7 corp hangers into seperate windows and then stack them into a tabbed view that the client remembers.....total win.

if you donGÇÖt want the wreck window to open up in a random spot one of the neat things you can do is stack it once to your active shipGÇÖs cargo window and from then on it will always open stacked there. Then simply clicking on GÇÿLoot allGÇÖ in the same spot will always close it again and show you the content of your active ship's cargo hold again.

Some may remember that CCP did actually involve in the Eve Community to test the new Inventory *BEFORE* they released it. There was ample time to look at it. Indeed, many wrote reams and reams about just how horrid it was.

And, to what purpose? Several months later we thank them because they pulled the wool over our eyes and say that *now* they have begun a brand new policy of highly rigorous user testing.

"How quickly we forget."

Those acces restriction feedback are really nice but I'm colourblind and the difference between no access and limited acess is visually inexistant to me. Could you make one of them like yellow or something?(It's not about being pretty, it's about being identifiable)

P.S.: I'm sure I am not the only one in this situation ;)

I want my Items/Ships list back. I >HATE< the inventory. It is bulky, irritating to use, does not open the windows in the correct place where I've told it to before, and it is generally unpleasant.

These updates look all fine and dandy, but when is CCP going to look at POS Permissions/Corp Permissions? This issue is one that plagues those of us that reside in wormhole space.

When will CCP fix SMA access and put it more in line with that of a CHA so that members can have their own slots to store ships?

When will we be able to assign individual slots in individual CHA's? If I grant someone access to Low Slot 1, it gives them access to low slot 1 in every CHA with the same permission tree (corp, starbase fuel tech, and config starbase). This is simply unacceptable and needs to be fixed. That gives us 3 steps of security, with the final step allowing members to online/offline structures.

CCP needs to wake up and fix this unacceptable feature. Corps are plagued with thieves and stop recruiting because it is simply just too risky to try and bring in new members.

This has been brought up time and time again and not once has it been acknowledged that it is something that is being looked into.

Yes members in your POS is all about trust, but that will only get you so far.

These updates look all fine and dandy, but when is CCP going to look at POS Permissions/Corp Permissions? This issue is one that plagues those of us that reside in wormhole space.

When will CCP fix SMA access and put it more in line with that of a CHA so that members can have their own slots to store ships?

When will we be able to assign individual slots in individual CHA's? If I grant someone access to Low Slot 1, it gives them access to low slot 1 in every CHA with the same permission tree (corp, starbase fuel tech, and config starbase). This is simply unacceptable and needs to be fixed. That gives us 3 steps of security, with the final step allowing members to online/offline structures.

CCP needs to wake up and fix this unacceptable feature. Corps are plagued with thieves and stop recruiting because it is simply just too risky to try and bring in new members.

This has been brought up time and time again and not once has it been acknowledged that it is something that is being looked into.

Yes members in your POS is all about trust, but that will only get you so far.

One thing for consideration in future though is the operation of scroll bars generally. In most operating systems and apps, clicking on an empty area in a scroll bar scrolls the contents of the window up one page or screenful. In Eve, if I click say at the top of the scroll area, it scrolls right to the top, not just the next pageful up.

To me, this is not intuitive, and even is the only app I use or know of that works like this. Might be worth looking at this?

Really nice, well done!

One thing for consideration in future though is the operation of scroll bars generally. In most operating systems and apps, clicking on an empty area in a scroll bar scrolls the contents of the window up one page or screenful. In Eve, if I click say at the top of the scroll area, it scrolls right to the top, not just the next pageful up.

To me, this is not intuitive, and even is the only app I use or know of that works like this. Might be worth looking at this?