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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.12.05 00:54:00 -
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Glad I got that Triple Rigor Navy Scorp w/ Painter a few months back. Could pop Elite Frigs before with the standard Cruise Missiles but now Precision does as much Dmg as Standard so that makes them go down in 3 shots Elite 1 normal. Now sure I lose some Hammerhead DPS against Battleship sometime but Furies w/ Rigors + Painter did full Dmg to Battleship and 2-3 Shot BC's and they just gave it an accuracy + Dmg buff.
Must suck to fly a ship reliant on to take out small ships. |
HydroSan
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.05 00:57:00 -
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Gallente can't rat or do missions anymore. Who thought this was a good change? |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
184
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:00:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:CCP should just remove drones from the game and get it over with. I could use the SP refund for play styles they still consider kosher. Like shooting rocks all day.
Or you could just pay attention to what you're doing. I used drone boats in wormholes for years, I never lost a drone to sleepers. Everyone whining about the sky falling and gallente ships being useless because of the new AI are just lazy or complaining that they can't afk farm anymore.
Deal with it or find a new game. Nothing has changed for people who actually know how to play. |
Manes Avatarr
Adventurers
3
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:33:00 -
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HydroSan wrote:Gallente can't rat or do missions anymore. Who thought this was a good change?
I have a bitter smile on my face, couse i had such talking in my corp, about NPC AI change long before Retri was deployed. Well, first though i have come to - Gallente will be in big trouble on L4s. And they are. Other faction solo missioning will be somewhat more difficult and it is. Its just obvious - ppl tend to have habits after many years missioning and no NPC changes.
My profits will be cut down but it will be more enjoyable. CCP thinks this way:
1. We will encourage ppl to team play in PVE and mission ops will become more popular.
2. We need to cut down easy money from L4s
3. Solo pilots will start new account and pay us more
4. Some ppl will whine about it, some will enjoy changes. Ppl will adapt, eventually.
And yes, again, Gallente L4s missioners are screwed up. Almighty, pls, have mercy on them. |
Kagumichan
Deorbit Burners
Session Change In Progress Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.12.05 02:00:00 -
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Manes Avatarr wrote:Solution: Autocannons (and equivalents) , tracking computers... hurray. And just dont kiss elite frigs below 20km...
so your solution is to fly minmatar ships, just like everyone does in PvP.
Whilst we're at it why don't we just remove amarr, gallente and caldari from the game, since no one will use them for anything anymore. :P |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader
75
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Posted - 2012.12.05 02:02:00 -
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once again ccp put it bad one drone boats and drones specialist that it... because they Love missile
We should ALL fly caldari just say It CCP don't be such hypocrits
Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
132
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Posted - 2012.12.05 02:19:00 -
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Pyre leFay wrote:Did they give remaps when they made doomsdays single target?
Did they give remaps when they made supers fighter and bomber only?
Did they give remaps when they got rid of the Learning skill?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1827
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Posted - 2012.12.05 02:25:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Pyre leFay wrote:Did they give remaps when they made doomsdays single target?
Did they give remaps when they made supers fighter and bomber only? Did they give remaps when they got rid of the Learning skill?
Did they get rid of the drone skills? Or the heavy missile skills?
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Agent Akari
Just Popped Out For Milk
Corcoran State
65
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Posted - 2012.12.05 02:25:00 -
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Drones are very important in eve lore, where do you think baby rogue drones come from? :) |
Haoibuni
The Graduates
RAZOR Alliance
18
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Posted - 2012.12.05 03:02:00 -
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Gallente guys who are a bit new and despairing at all their time spent skilling drones:
Take the plunge and move to null sec. You can do forsaken hubs. These hubs don't have any frigate rats and the cruisers / BSs don't target your sentries.
Your sentry domi will shine. You can make 35mill ticks (subject to tax) with good sentry drone skills and BS5 even with crappy T1 guns.
Probably 30mill with BS4.
Do 4 of them in a row, will take 1hr 15mins, and then go salvage the 4 on the trot. Just 4 warps required all in the same system and you get another 35-50mill in salvage / loot for an additional 20mins work
So that nets you about 130mill for 1hr 20mins ratting.
Domi fit doesn't need to be pimp neither (use ASB fit - they work even after nerf) as it's a tiny bit risky as it has to sit still.
Or sod the drones and do the above in a naga (but needs T2 guns and Void to pull in the best isk/hr).
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Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
81
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Posted - 2012.12.05 03:27:00 -
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Although I used to do level 4's solo (Command ship), I stopped when CCP nerfed the loot drops. I recently figured I could solo two or even three level 3 missions in roughly the same time and with no risk.
I have noticed that the aggro range for drones in asteroid belts have become quite insane (100+ km and beyond) and their target painters seem to have unlimited range!!!
EVE Online Fan ... Looking for "End Game" since 2006 ... Happily, I still havn't found it
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farqar
farqar Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.05 03:28:00 -
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Kagumichan wrote:and pay a 9 million isk repair bill.
Buy a 500k hull and amor rep or 2 and sit out front of station for 10 mins repairing
Then rep modules in station ( cheaper than paste usually)
Less than 9 mil.
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Erazar
D-Tox
0
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Posted - 2012.12.05 03:38:00 -
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so basically, CCP have made drones 99.9% useless for PVE/Mission Runners?
L4's are going to be even more boring & tedious if we fly BS's trying to take down frigs with cruise missiles.
Nice work CCP
/clap!
...ah well this gives me a good excuse to cancel my accounts for a while \o/ |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
3
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Posted - 2012.12.05 03:48:00 -
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Xearal wrote:OR.. you could you know.. adapt..
Wh residents have been putting up with the sleeper AI for ages.. I've been daytripping in w-space myself once in a while, and I've found no trouble at all with my drones vs the sleeper Ai.. it just requires a little more thinking, instead of just.. warp in, get agro, release drones.. get snack, come back, go get coffee you forgot, come back again, have a nice sip, go to next room, repeat combat actions, get noctis alt, begin salvaging..
now it actually requires you to think a bit. As for serpentis lockdown.. I've found an afterburner and some close range firepower works wonders when you get sensor damped.
some people like myself dont go afk during missions especially in my navy raven it hasnt that great a tank believe it or not, and i cant afford to lose my navy raven to not being at the game watching what is going on.
even beofre the change you couldnt just fling your drones out and let them eat up all the blob in the mission area they owuld usually just sit and orbit you without attacking .... so i guess thats your argument shot down in flames.
and stop comparing it to wormhole sleepers the rewards are nothing in comparism and level 4 mission runners shouldnt be gimped this badly.
take sme ages trying to get isk as it is from missions it isnt a pot of gold uberness as you may think it is...
Sack the dumb mofo decided to nerf level 4's? .... again!!! |
fukier
Flatline.
217
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Posted - 2012.12.05 03:57:00 -
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Kagumichan wrote:The drone tactic saved my Rokh earlier.
Doing The Assault, level 4, Serpentis... upon warping in the entire room aggroed immediately (that's about 30 frigates, 30 battlecruisers and 10 battleships), 6 sensor dampeners dropped my locking range down to 18k and then the dampers flew around me at 30k, whilst two frigs came in and warp scrambled me. The moment I let out the drones to blow up the scramblers everything, except the scrambling frigs, shot the drones and started popping them. That left me with two options:
1. Sit there and die
2. Drop all my drones and pray to the almighty God of pure luck that either my drones could take the scramble frigs off before they all blew up, or that the scrambling frigs would switch targets.
By pure luck, option 2 happened just as my hull was buckling, and my brave Warrior II's stayed behind and sacrificed themselves whilst I, now looking like a giant flaming fireball, went to go and pay a 9 million isk repair bill, having been completely unable to kill or even lock onto a target in that mission.
A friend earlier actually spent about 2 hours doing a mission in his tengu because for only about 30 seconds every 10 minutes he was able to get a lock because of all the jammers.
The new AI is very nice, it makes things more fun, but I don't think these mission were play-tested to make sure they were still doable solo before it was applied.
hi try a raven
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
895
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Posted - 2012.12.05 04:01:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:and stop comparing it to wormhole sleepers the rewards are nothing in comparism and level 4 mission runners shouldnt be gimped this badly.
That's a good point too. In their rabid frenzy to give more risk to people in hisec, they always forget the reward part of the equation. 
"It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant
Tribal Band
181
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Posted - 2012.12.05 04:07:00 -
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You have a few options:
- get a friend to do L4's with, do 2x the missions in the same time as one
- move to null and actually make ISK
- GTFO
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
384
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Posted - 2012.12.05 04:09:00 -
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Tarn Kugisa wrote:You have a few options:
- get a friend to do L4's with, do 2x the missions in the same time as one
- move to null and actually make ISK
- GTFO
I understand having all the best content require groups in an MMO, but eliminating solo content doesn't seem to bright to me. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
37
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Posted - 2012.12.05 04:27:00 -
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HydroSan wrote:Gallente can't rat or do missions anymore. Who thought this was a good change?
making rat AI harder actually has been a player sponsored idea for years actually. Its been a top 10 idea to make pve less boring for a while now.
And unless I missed it in the notes, mega, vindi, kronos did not have gun bonuses stripped from them. Domi high slotted out ain't too bad either
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Sekket
Dissident Aggressors
Mordus Angels
35
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Posted - 2012.12.05 05:02:00 -
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Drones (especially T2) need to be cheaper and drone bays need to be larger to accomodate replacements. Drones are like really expensive ammunition now. I guess you could argue that they always were.
- CQ isn't a refuge, it's a cage.
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Harland White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.12.05 05:19:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:This is the only game I've ever played that relied so heavily on having multiple accounts. If high sec mission running to generate isk for my PVP fun now requires logistics, e-war or aggro alts then I'll pass and find another game.
Yeah pretty much this.
I enjoy L4s as they were, if they're now un-soloable and require more people (meaning less reward) or more accounts (meaning more money down the drain) then I'm definitely unsubbing. Plenty of other (arguably better) games out there allow you to solo much of the content enjoyably. I play this game to relax and enjoy myself after work most days, and I don't play 12 hours a day so you can call me "casual". If EVE is now going to require multiple accounts and playing way more often and changing my playstyle, so long, CCP. |
Maximus Vorlon
The Poseidon Exploration
0
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Posted - 2012.12.05 06:12:00 -
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If this is an attempt to improve the NPC AI, they should have the NPC's change their target to what's dealing the most damage, say over a period of 10 seconds.
When I got back to running missions, I entered the site and made sure I got all the agro, dealing alot of damage with cruise missiles, but just launching the drones and having them orbiting me, obviously posted more of a thread than the battleship blowing them up. All the NPC's lost interest in the only thing dealing them damage.
The drones should av been considered non-hostile compared to me.
NPC AI should behave as the invading alien force in the movie Battleship, attack the threat about to kill you :) |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
166
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Posted - 2012.12.05 06:25:00 -
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To JITA! UNLEASH OUR DRONES ON THE MONUMENT! 
( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
Nick Bete
The Scope
Gallente Federation
147
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Posted - 2012.12.05 06:49:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:To JITA! UNLEASH OUR DRONES ON THE MONUMENT!
You're joking but, you may have an idea there! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1828
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Posted - 2012.12.05 07:00:00 -
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Nick Bete wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:To JITA! UNLEASH OUR DRONES ON THE MONUMENT! You're joking but, you may have an idea there!
I bet CCP will set loose a bunch of NPC cruisers that will kill your drones. Oh and shooting them will make you a suspect.
Or maybe just make aggressing the statue give you a suspect flag. That would let the community solve the problem... heh
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
5
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Posted - 2012.12.05 07:04:00 -
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Tarn Kugisa wrote:You have a few options:
- get a friend to do L4's with, do 2x the missions in the same time as one
- move to null and actually make ISK
- GTFO
why should i be forced into null sec? ... am i not entitled to play the game as i see fit by what gives me pleasure?
i have done null sec on my pirate alt ages ago and the blob warfare done my head in... sorry just not into doing blobs and warp bubbles camped by griefers looking for the next blob kill mail.... sue me
i just want to do level 4's that is what floats my boat..... i shouldnt be gimped for wanting to play the game how i enjoy it as long as i play legit.
Sack the dumb mofo who decided to nerf level 4's? .... again!!! |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security
Devlin Alliance
231
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Posted - 2012.12.05 07:21:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:Pyre leFay wrote:Did they give remaps when they made doomsdays single target?
Did they give remaps when they made supers fighter and bomber only?
Adapt. and by adapt you mean sit in station and train up for another 1-3 months for something else to do in eve as your chosen profession while you pay for your sub??? meanwhile back in reality.......
There are other things to do in this game, but if you want to waste time sitting around in station, that's your prerogative.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1830
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Posted - 2012.12.05 07:22:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:but it doesnt matter anymore cos me and my caldari navy raven are now retired from level 4's as they are just not worth the grief now, so thats my 3 accounts unsubbed for now and i wont be renewing it any time soon unless changes are made or i can find something else i enjoy doing ingame
Consider unloading your assets to someone that will continue to torture themselves by running missions with them.
I've always thought about taking up L4s...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security
Devlin Alliance
231
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Posted - 2012.12.05 07:24:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Nick Bete wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:To JITA! UNLEASH OUR DRONES ON THE MONUMENT! You're joking but, you may have an idea there! I bet CCP will set loose a bunch of NPC cruisers that will kill your drones. Oh and shooting them will make you a suspect. Or maybe just make aggressing the statue give you a suspect flag. That would let the community solve the problem... heh
I'm starting to notice a division in the EVE "community" as a result of Retribution. On one hand, there are a those players who are solving problems, and on the other, there are those that want everyone else to solve their problems.
Let's cause them all new problems instead 
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Manes Avatarr
Adventurers
3
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Posted - 2012.12.05 07:25:00 -
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Kagumichan wrote:
so your solution is to fly minmatar ships, just like everyone does in PvP.
Whilst we're at it why don't we just remove amarr, gallente and caldari from the game, since no one will use them for anything anymore. :P
I said "or equivalent". Blasters and pulses will work fine.
Personally... i DO L4s sometimes and i havent used single drone since long time. I just kill all ships with "short" range guns.
As i said, Gallente are screwed a bit. Everybody else can find new solutions to NPC AI issue. Altough missions become more risky. |
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