Full room aggro vs damp spam.


Do you even know what NPC EWAR is or feels like since this patch?

Do you even know what PvP EWAR is or feels like since this patch?

Want me to show you?

Do you even know what PvP EWAR is or feels like since this patch?

Want me to show you?

because in PVP you always engage when you "1 vs many" or "small fleet vs lots"

And you think you should shred your way through entire npc fleets with no effort?

Many other people have adapted to these changes, if you cant then bring a friend on the missions you cant figure out.

Waiting on that fit/video.....

Everything you've suggested is poor theroycraft, which to anyone who has actually experienced it, knows to be false.


I had adapated, I didn't say I could do it - what I said was the required mechanics to actually do that mission are a) not fun, b) contrieved and c) a very bad side effect of otherwise managable AI changes.


As I say, I await an actual example of your adaptive brilliance....I won't hold my breath, however, because we all know it isn't coming.


Edit: Your posts have a very strong ring of Mary Antoinette about them.

Please address the request for a boat capable of tanking serpentis at <15km. Note that'll be at LEAST 30 blaster boats you'll be needing to tank combined with a ~3 minute lock time on the frigs.

Go on, it'll be fun to see the fail you manage :D

Edit: Or better still, stop commenting in the AI feedback thread when it is obvious you've not experienced it in

What a shock, yet another bear dismissing advice without even trying it and then insulting the person trying to help them. Also what the hell have you done yo your ship to get the locking time of a titan?

What a shock, yet another bear dismissing advice without even trying it and then insulting the person trying to help them. Also what the hell have you done yo your ship to get the locking time of a titan?

Once again, a perfect post showing you've NEVER engaged serp. rats.

Bravo, bravo.

Yes, that was before the AI changes.

Before full room aggro on warp in.
Before 8-10 ships damp you constantly.


That is the point, the side effect of the AI change has been to put NPC EWAR on steroids, when coupled with full room aggro at warp in, it is disproportionately silly. Previously you had specific groups and sporadic damping.

I can't see how that is in any way relevant to AI changes.

And you think you should shred your way through entire npc fleets with no effort?

Many other people have adapted to these changes, if you cant then bring a friend on the missions you cant figure out.

Oh you had access to the micro jump drive before retribution?

Well if you dont want to use that tactic either then you can go for a close range pulse nightmare with extra tracking.

^ This. You can fly missions like World's Collide completely solo and with the right boat it's stupidly easy. IMHO, it's still harder than "The Assault" namely because you're up against two different kinds of enemy (different damage, different resists). You don't have to kill everything, of course, but it's still easy to do it solo.

All the missions are completely predictable. Now, they're unpredictable again. But I'll BET you every little isky I have that once you get used to them, they'll become predictable again.

But if you tried going up against the same size fleets of players as you do solo v. NPCs on these missions, you wouldn't stand a chance.

I dont think a NM can soak the pain required to face them point blank. I cant fly it, but the incoming DPS is pretty special, tore strips off my SNI previously and that has a rather good tank indeed.


@Remiel Pollard Comparing PvE to PvP is simply ridiculous and I shant address it further with you. I was also unaware the blobbing and gate camps are the new yardstick for 'hard mode' thanks for clearing that up.

We are agreed then, the AI change failed miserably! After all, wasn't the whole point of it to make missions less boring and predictable?

Oh you had access to the micro jump drive before retribution?

Well theres a blaster protius. Smaller sig, faster, great damage and can tank. Slap on an afterburner and you shouldn't have too many issues. Or go vindicator and just nuke everything.

Well theres a blaster protius. Smaller sig, faster, great damage and can tank. Slap on an afterburner and you shouldn't have too many issues. Or go vindicator and just nuke everything.

How about you try doing L4s with imperfect (seriously imperfect, bordering on weak) skills and using a T1 battleship. Especially a T1 Gallente battleship (which limits your choice to Mega, Domi and Hype). What's that? Adapt by cross-training for another 2 months? Yeah, I'll get right on that, says the new player clicking "unsubscribe" button.

While I agree the combo of the drone changes, incessant eWar and full room aggro is messed up, I do not feel that a pilot with poor core skills should be able to run Lvl 4 missions solo.

That is one of the problems that I think CCP is trying to cure, it's just too much curre at once.

I don't know it was ever a problem. I remember how long those things took with low skills.

Achieveble, yes, but took AGES.

It is pretty sad when a member of the CSM who supposedly represents high sec claimed there is no defect in the AI that people can use to still run drone missions. When that loophole is closed it is lights out for us.

Pretty much indicates that it is completely over for high sec mission runners.

Precision missiles are holding strong atm. 3 shotting elite frigs is fine by me.

While I agree the combo of the drone changes, incessant eWar and full room aggro is messed up, I do not feel that a pilot with poor core skills should be able to run Lvl 4 missions solo.