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Hevymetal
POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:14:00 -
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My $.02 for what it's worth, on the new usefulness of drones in PVE. As with everything else that changes in this game, some for the good, some for the bad "adapt or die" or so it has been said.
A tactical change is indeed now required since drones are now appearing to be nothing more then cannon fodder. They still have usefulness, just not in a "set and forget" mode as most are used to. Most people will look at this list and go "Well DUH" but hopefully someone MAY walk away having learned something.
My initial observations after patch:
Cannon Fodder: I have found that carrying a bay full of small T1's, cheap, and liberally deploying them at opportune times during combat will now divert DPS (not sure but the NPCs appear to be webbing/neuting drones too but I am unable to verify this) away from you and onto the drones allowing you precious seconds to rep/recharge/reload/warp and GTFO. Leave them behind, they are expendable.
Emergency Target Disposal: Shields failed, into armor in your shield tank? Need to warp but can't, scrammed? Deploy the T2 drones and attack the scrammer, allowing you to escape. Forget about the drones you can collect them later.
Structure Disposal: After everything is dead it's still easier to send out some T2 ogres and say "Kill" while you forget about them and salvage/loot/get more snacks.
Battleships: Still usable on Battleships and Cruisers it seems. Don't even think about deploying them with frigates on grid as they don't last long and they will be gone before you realize it.
Deploy, attack a target, recall: Keep an eye on the damage the drone is taking and recall them back to drone bay often and allow them to recharge shields before deploying them again.
Small drones are faster: Well, DUH. Faster drones should help in avoiding damage and will allow you to get them back to the safety of your bay, hopefully before they pop.
* Deploy drones, let them get aggro, recall them, wait till you get aggro, then deploy again: Haven't personally tested yet, although this appears to be a verified workaround to the new AI that has to be repeated for every wave of enemy NPCs. It's not the most efficient way of working around the new game mechanic but it appears to work.
I'm sure there will be more insightful input and hints/tactics from the enlightened forum members here.
DISCUSS
/slips into flame resistant siut.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:20:00 -
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CCP should just remove drones from the game and get it over with. I could use the SP refund for play styles they still consider kosher. Like shooting rocks all day. EvE Forum Bingo |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1823
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:21:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:CCP should just remove drones from the game and get it over with. I could use the SP refund for play styles they still consider kosher. Like shooting rocks all day. EVE is harsh and cold. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Kagumichan
Deorbit Burners Session Change In Progress Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:23:00 -
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The drone tactic saved my Rokh earlier.
Doing The Assault, level 4, Serpentis... upon warping in the entire room aggroed immediately, 6 sensor dampeners dropped my locking range down to 18k and then the dampers flew around me at 30k, whilst two frigs came in and warp scrambled me. The moment I let out the drones to blow up the scramblers everything, except the scrambling frigs, shot the drones and started popping them. That left me with two options:
1. Sit there and die 2. Drop all my drones and pray to the almighty God of pure luck that either my drones could take the scramble frigs off before they all blew up, or that the scrambling frigs would switch targets.
By pure luck, option 2 happened just as my hull was buckling, and my brave Warrior II's stayed behind and sacrificed themselves whilst I, now looking like a giant flaming fireball, went to go and pay a 9 million isk repair bill, having been completely unable to kill or even lock onto a target in that mission.
A friend earlier actually spent about 2 hours doing a mission in his tengu because for only about 30 seconds every 10 minutes he was jammed from ewar.
The new AI is very nice, it makes things more fun, but I don't think these mission were play-tested to make sure they were still doable solo before it was applied. |
Edey
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:24:00 -
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Now that I can't do L4 missions with my drones, can I have a skills remap?
No, this is not a joke or a troll. I really want a remap, this is fair. In any other game when devs nerf something to hell they give you a respec so you have a choice. Having mostly drone skills cuts your ability to do anything right now. |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:25:00 -
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:26:00 -
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Kagumichan wrote:I don't think these mission were play-tested to make sure they were still doable solo before it was applied. Or maybe CCP is trying to tell you something... |
Pyre leFay
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:26:00 -
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Did they give remaps when they made doomsdays single target? Did they give remaps when they made supers fighter and bomber only? Adapt. |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:29:00 -
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Pyre leFay wrote:Did they give remaps when they made doomsdays single target? Did they give remaps when they made supers fighter and bomber only? Adapt.
and by adapt you mean sit in station and train up for another 1-3 months for something else to do in eve as your chosen profession while you pay for your sub???
meanwhile back in reality....... Sack the dumb mofo decided to nerf level 4's? .... again!!! |
Landrae
Sacred Templars Unclaimed.
390
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:30:00 -
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Pyre leFay wrote:Did they give remaps when they made doomsdays single target? Did they give remaps when they made supers fighter and bomber only? Adapt or GTFO.
FTFY Welcome to Eve Online |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1900
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:32:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Kagumichan wrote:I don't think these mission were play-tested to make sure they were still doable solo before it was applied. Or maybe CCP is trying to tell you something...
Not sure about that. They know subscribers would sooner leave the game before being forced to put up with the fine examples of humanity found in this game.
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Merouk Baas
48
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:33:00 -
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Oh, it was tested. And feedback was given. And they pushed it anyway.
EDIT: Posters above mean that maybe CCP doesn't want us to solo level 4 missions. |
Kagumichan
Deorbit Burners Session Change In Progress Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:35:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Or maybe CCP is trying to tell you something...
Well I can understand if it was put in to promote social play, to get people to go together to do missions, but really if you have that many people around to go do level 4 missions with that level of difficulty, you may as well all go and do vanguard incursions instead since they offer much more reward in terms of isk and LP. As it is, having this kind of AI mixed with that kind ewar makes level 4's pointless/impossible for solo play, which in turn stops people doing them, which in turn makes them pointless and obsolete. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
118
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:38:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:Oh, it was tested. And feedback was given. And they pushed it anyway. EDIT: Posters above mean that maybe CCP doesn't want us to solo level 4 missions.
and CCP maintains the course....
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Hevymetal
POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance
27
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:49:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:Oh, it was tested. And feedback was given. And they pushed it anyway. EDIT: Posters above mean that maybe CCP doesn't want us to solo level 4 missions.
Don't know if that was their intention, but it sure will have that effect.
It doesn't make it impossible to solo a Lvl4 but it sure lowers the ISK/Hr. generated and greatly increases the chance of getting popped if soloing.
It also completely flushed any old tactics/habits that players used with drones before the patch down the drain.
I also believe this result may have the intended/unintended consequence of promoting alot more meta-gaming. Everyone needs another DPS alt and while you at it throw in a Logi alt too
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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:52:00 -
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Did this really need another thread?
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Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:53:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Did this really need another thread?
It did. You replied. |
Merouk Baas
48
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:54:00 -
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No, it did not. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1823
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:54:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:Merouk Baas wrote:Oh, it was tested. And feedback was given. And they pushed it anyway. EDIT: Posters above mean that maybe CCP doesn't want us to solo level 4 missions. Don't know if that was their intention, but it sure will have that effect. It doesn't make it impossible to solo a Lvl4 but it sure lowers the ISK/Hr. generated and greatly increases the chance of getting popped if soloing. It also completely flushed any old tactics/habits that players used with drones before the patch down the drain. I also believe this result may have the intended/unintended consequence of promoting alot more meta-gaming. Everyone needs another DPS alt and while you at it throw in a Logi alt too Oh ho, encouraging alt account proliferation, eh. I see where this is going Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
317
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:59:00 -
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This is the only game I've ever played that relied so heavily on having multiple accounts. If high sec mission running to generate isk for my PVP fun now requires logistics, e-war or aggro alts then I'll pass and find another game. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
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starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
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Posted - 2012.12.05 00:02:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:This is the only game I've ever played that relied so heavily on having multiple accounts. If high sec mission running to generate isk for my PVP fun now requires logistics, e-war or aggro alts then I'll pass and find another game.
the idea is to force you to buy PLEX.... but i think you have got the idea now. Sack the dumb mofo decided to nerf level 4's? .... again!!! |
Kagumichan
Deorbit Burners Session Change In Progress Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.05 00:03:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:the idea is to force you to buy PLEX.... but i think you have got the idea now.
and if you could actually do level 4's to make enough money to afford a PLEX to be able to do level 4's that would be a great idea. |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
407
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Posted - 2012.12.05 00:07:00 -
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OR.. you could you know.. adapt..
Wh residents have been putting up with the sleeper AI for ages.. I've been daytripping in w-space myself once in a while, and I've found no trouble at all with my drones vs the sleeper Ai.. it just requires a little more thinking, instead of just.. warp in, get agro, release drones.. get snack, come back, go get coffee you forgot, come back again, have a nice sip, go to next room, repeat combat actions, get noctis alt, begin salvaging..
now it actually requires you to think a bit. As for serpentis lockdown.. I've found an afterburner and some close range firepower works wonders when you get sensor damped.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1824
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Posted - 2012.12.05 00:13:00 -
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Kagumichan wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:the idea is to force you to buy PLEX.... but i think you have got the idea now. and if you could actually do level 4's to make enough money to afford a PLEX to be able to do level 4's that would be a great idea. He meant pay CCP money for plex, not buy plex with isk.... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Mire Stoude
Antelope with Night Vision Goggles
22
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Posted - 2012.12.05 00:16:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:CCP should just remove drones from the game and get it over with. I could use the SP refund for play styles they still consider kosher. Like shooting rocks all day. Yep. I was a drone user as soon as I found they did all the fighting for me while my t1 imicus could mine rocks. My main mission runner for a long time was a domi. My favorite pvp boat was a dual rep and nos domi (before the nerf). Then I realized how much dps I was losing waiting for drones to get to their target. So I moved onto sentries... but they came with their own drawbacks. After that I eliminated the middle man and just trained guns/missiles and never regretted it. The only drones I find useful today are light ecms and t2 warriors (cool story bro).
So yah, just get rid of them, I can put the skills to use elsewhere. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
380
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Posted - 2012.12.05 00:17:00 -
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Xearal wrote:OR.. you could you know.. adapt..
Wh residents have been putting up with the sleeper AI for ages.. I've been daytripping in w-space myself once in a while, and I've found no trouble at all with my drones vs the sleeper Ai.. it just requires a little more thinking, instead of just.. warp in, get agro, release drones.. get snack, come back, go get coffee you forgot, come back again, have a nice sip, go to next room, repeat combat actions, get noctis alt, begin salvaging..
now it actually requires you to think a bit. As for serpentis lockdown.. I've found an afterburner and some close range firepower works wonders when you get sensor damped.
Tanking the assault at close range didn't end well on the test server for me. Decoy drone plan it is. As for thinking, Wait for red to appear, recall, relaunch actually counts as thinking now? Standards have really fallen. |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.12.05 00:34:00 -
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Merged in duplicate thread re: drones and new AI.
ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Kagumichan
Deorbit Burners Session Change In Progress Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.05 00:45:00 -
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Xearal wrote:As for serpentis lockdown.. I've found an afterburner and some close range firepower works wonders when you get sensor damped.
Yup, 'cos charging at 10 megathrons that are sitting 60k away whilst in a battleship will totally not take 30 minutes and burn all your tank and cap.
If I remember, missions are meant to ease players into Eve's battle system and get them used to tougher and tougher situations through the different levels. Get used to modules and guns and different ship bonuses etc. to use in the 'real Eve' where you blow up people or do incursions, they also serve as a small isk flow for when you don't have anything else to do... like blowing up people or doing incursions (or mining). So now, if your friends are offline and you're sitting in a station wondering what to do, you can't think, "Do I go and do a mission, go mining, or turn off the game?", because your only option is to go mining or turn off the game, unless you've got some awesomesauce faction ship that can run 90% resists and rep back 500hp every 4 seconds (which you'd need to do level 4's to afford in the first place unless you want to spend an entire year grinding level 3's in a Drake), or are truly willing to play the chance game with the AI hoping they'll switch between you and your drones all the time instead of focusing on you. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2086
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Posted - 2012.12.05 00:49:00 -
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Xearal wrote:OR.. you could you know.. adapt..
As in, buy Tengu and be insta-adapted to any possible niche in the game? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Digital Messiah
Industrial Solutions The Knights Templar.
237
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Posted - 2012.12.05 00:53:00 -
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I was using drones today, a few times they got insta locked by they are disposable. Always have been, always will be. And it took dps off my ship. Honestly I could only see this change affecting those individuals who use drone boats. I feel bad for sentry users, but at least this is forcing people to be more active. "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
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