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Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes 404	Posted - 2012.12.06 21:48:00 - [121] - Quote Jame Jarl Retief wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Alua Oresson wrote: For the PVEing that I do, I find that the change to drones actually makes things easier for me. If you do the right kind of content you don't have to deal with frigates. And seeing as frigates seem to be the only thing to agress sentry drones, I don't even have to recover my drones between waves anymore. Win Win for me. i do Forsaken Hubs too, this change means MUCH more dps for me, I used to use mach/tengu now it's mach rattlesnake. Then i went and tried a Haven, it was a nightmare at warp in range. I refit the mach for artillery and warp my ships in at range and it was just blap blap blappity blap. The change isn't a game ender, just poorly thought out imo. You mean to say that this AI change is a direct blow to L4s (in hi-sec) and makes ratting in null easier? Gasp! We totally did not see this one coming, what with CSM being wall-to-wall nullbears and all. How does having to change to a lower dps (and thus isk) ship "make null ratting easier"?
Malphilos State War Academy Caldari State 227	Posted - 2012.12.06 21:54:00 - [122] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Next time you're watching your drones, remember you have to let them die, recalling them is 'sploitin' Maybe not Desi, but pulling them in obviously isn't the intended response. It's a mistake. On the other hand, there have been great turns in the game that happened because of mistakes that have since been corrected. Exploits never prosper, for if they prosper...
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 2209	Posted - 2012.12.06 22:22:00 - [123] - Quote Flew a few missions with a Rattlesnake (T2 sentry drones), Oracle and Huginn. Funnily enough when you are webbing and painting targets with a Huginn, the Huginn gets the aggro not the drones. And when you are blowing things up with a Mega Pulse II Oracle (rated at about 1000 DPS on paper), the Oracle gets the aggro (eventually, when the NPCs are bored of shooting the Huginn). At one point the Rattlesnake was getting shot. I don't know why, might have to do with the Rattlesnake providing RR to the Huginn and Oracle. So the oldest trick in the EVE play book still works: bring a friend. Try something new. My typical mission fleet is two drone boats (Dominix, Gila, Rattlesnake, Apocalypse, etc) and a "forward observer". Sometimes it's a Tengu with two Fed Navy webs, other times it's a Huginn. This fleet still works fine. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
DeBingJos Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance 473	Posted - 2012.12.07 08:15:00 - [124] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: Flew a few missions with a Rattlesnake (T2 sentry drones), Oracle and Huginn. Funnily enough when you are webbing and painting targets with a Huginn, the Huginn gets the aggro not the drones. And when you are blowing things up with a Mega Pulse II Oracle (rated at about 1000 DPS on paper), the Oracle gets the aggro (eventually, when the NPCs are bored of shooting the Huginn). At one point the Rattlesnake was getting shot. I don't know why, might have to do with the Rattlesnake providing RR to the Huginn and Oracle. So the oldest trick in the EVE play book still works: bring a friend. Try something new. My typical mission fleet is two drone boats (Dominix, Gila, Rattlesnake, Apocalypse, etc) and a "forward observer". Sometimes it's a Tengu with two Fed Navy webs, other times it's a Huginn. This fleet still works fine. You have to agree this will complicate missions for a lot of new players. Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.
Mokanor Lenak Republic University Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2012.12.07 09:03:00 - [125] - Quote DeBingJos wrote: Mara Rinn wrote: Flew a few missions with a Rattlesnake (T2 sentry drones), Oracle and Huginn. Funnily enough when you are webbing and painting targets with a Huginn, the Huginn gets the aggro not the drones. And when you are blowing things up with a Mega Pulse II Oracle (rated at about 1000 DPS on paper), the Oracle gets the aggro (eventually, when the NPCs are bored of shooting the Huginn). At one point the Rattlesnake was getting shot. I don't know why, might have to do with the Rattlesnake providing RR to the Huginn and Oracle. So the oldest trick in the EVE play book still works: bring a friend. Try something new. My typical mission fleet is two drone boats (Dominix, Gila, Rattlesnake, Apocalypse, etc) and a "forward observer". Sometimes it's a Tengu with two Fed Navy webs, other times it's a Huginn. This fleet still works fine. You have to agree this will complicate missions for a lot of new players. And not everyone wants to have to multi-box, or leeching on friends just to get a mission done.
Trdina Rasputin Man-dingo 7	Posted - 2012.12.07 11:25:00 - [126] - Quote HydroSan wrote: Gallente can't rat or do missions anymore. Who thought this was a good change? Talk for your self. i don't have problems.
Xenos van Omega The nasty Nomads 0	Posted - 2012.12.07 11:51:00 - [127] - Quote Kagumichan wrote: The drone tactic saved my Rokh earlier. Doing The Assault, level 4, Serpentis... upon warping in the entire room aggroed immediately (that's about 30 frigates, 30 battlecruisers and 10 battleships), 6 sensor dampeners dropped my locking range down to 18k and then the dampers flew around me at 30k, whilst two frigs came in and warp scrambled me. The moment I let out the drones to blow up the scramblers everything, except the scrambling frigs, shot the drones and started popping them. That left me with two options: 1. Sit there and die 2. Drop all my drones and pray to the almighty God of pure luck that either my drones could take the scramble frigs off before they all blew up, or that the scrambling frigs would switch targets. By pure luck, option 2 happened just as my hull was buckling, and my brave Warrior II's stayed behind and sacrificed themselves whilst I, now looking like a giant flaming fireball, went to go and pay a 9 million isk repair bill, having been completely unable to kill or even lock onto a target in that mission. Blitz: The gate is not locked, go straight to Pocket 2 and 3 dont kill anything in room 1 and 2, just go gate to next
Kagumichan Deorbit Burners Session Change In Progress Alliance 16	Posted - 2012.12.07 12:11:00 - [128] - Quote Xenos van Omega wrote: Blitz: The gate is not locked, go straight to Pocket 2 and 3 dont kill anything in room 1 and 2, just go gate to next And miss out on all that loot, salvage and bounty? Hell no! :P
March rabbit Aliastra 283	Posted - 2012.12.07 12:55:00 - [129] - Quote Caliph Muhammed wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Xearal wrote: OR.. you could you know.. adapt.. As in, buy Tengu and be insta-adapted to any possible niche in the game? Because training for a tengu is just a trivial thing to do. Its not like it requires mastery in each subsystems focus, like ECM, cloaking, propulsion or whatever. Nevermind the time for the weapons systems or the t1 ship requirements. And laugh out loud to the low price they sell for. actually you need (for PVE): - Caldary Strategy Cruiser to 1 - 4-5 subsystems to 4 - T2 heavy missiles (it's like 10 days) Total: 15 days or about And it will be enough for PVE while you training those "needed lvl5s"
DeBingJos Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance 473	Posted - 2012.12.07 12:58:00 - [130] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Caliph Muhammed wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Xearal wrote: OR.. you could you know.. adapt.. As in, buy Tengu and be insta-adapted to any possible niche in the game? Because training for a tengu is just a trivial thing to do. Its not like it requires mastery in each subsystems focus, like ECM, cloaking, propulsion or whatever. Nevermind the time for the weapons systems or the t1 ship requirements. And laugh out loud to the low price they sell for. actually you need (for PVE): - Caldary Strategy Cruiser to 1 - 4-5 subsystems to 4 - T2 heavy missiles (it's like 10 days) Total: 15 days or about And it will be enough for PVE while you training those "needed lvl5s" You forgot cruiser V so make that 15 + 30 = 45 days. (That is still not much.) Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 537	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:41:00 - [131] - Quote Doddy wrote: Jame Jarl Retief wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Alua Oresson wrote: For the PVEing that I do, I find that the change to drones actually makes things easier for me. If you do the right kind of content you don't have to deal with frigates. And seeing as frigates seem to be the only thing to agress sentry drones, I don't even have to recover my drones between waves anymore. Win Win for me. i do Forsaken Hubs too, this change means MUCH more dps for me, I used to use mach/tengu now it's mach rattlesnake. Then i went and tried a Haven, it was a nightmare at warp in range. I refit the mach for artillery and warp my ships in at range and it was just blap blap blappity blap. The change isn't a game ender, just poorly thought out imo. You mean to say that this AI change is a direct blow to L4s (in hi-sec) and makes ratting in null easier? Gasp! We totally did not see this one coming, what with CSM being wall-to-wall nullbears and all. How does having to change to a lower dps (and thus isk) ship "make null ratting easier"? Answer, it doesn't, but darn it Doddy, you shouldn't try to come between him and his prejudice of both null sec and people who actually to time to VOTE for CSM through the clicking of a couple of mouse buttons.....which must be too much effort for the majority of high sec people...... CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á
Mokanor Lenak Republic University Minmatar Republic 30	Posted - 2012.12.07 19:00:00 - [132] - Quote DeBingJos wrote: You forgot cruiser V so make that 15 + 30 = 45 days. (That is still not much.) From zero, a fit like this: Quote: [Tengu, Assist] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Gistum B-Type Medium Shield Booster Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field Gist B-Type EM Ward Field Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst (Which is a bit expensive, but a decent one, can be changed for less or more tank, specific or omni for TP or not, whatever you want). This takes about 80 days without remap, and without any skilling in missile support skills or anything in the 4-5 subsystems. A player who does not fly caldari from the start, will take him a good time to get this up and running. Just saying.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1855	Posted - 2012.12.07 19:12:00 - [133] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Doddy wrote: Jame Jarl Retief wrote: You mean to say that this AI change is a direct blow to L4s (in hi-sec) and makes ratting in null easier? Gasp! We totally did not see this one coming, what with CSM being wall-to-wall nullbears and all. How does having to change to a lower dps (and thus isk) ship "make null ratting easier"? Answer, it doesn't, but darn it Doddy, you shouldn't try to come between him and his prejudice of both null sec and people who actually to time to VOTE for CSM through the clicking of a couple of mouse buttons.....which must be too much effort for the majority of high sec people...... Tsk, people need to learn how GD works. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Jame Jarl Retief Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 540	Posted - 2012.12.07 19:17:00 - [134] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Doddy wrote: Jame Jarl Retief wrote: You mean to say that this AI change is a direct blow to L4s (in hi-sec) and makes ratting in null easier? Gasp! We totally did not see this one coming, what with CSM being wall-to-wall nullbears and all. How does having to change to a lower dps (and thus isk) ship "make null ratting easier"? Answer, it doesn't, but darn it Doddy, you shouldn't try to come between him and his prejudice of both null sec and people who actually to time to VOTE for CSM through the clicking of a couple of mouse buttons.....which must be too much effort for the majority of high sec people...... Tsk, people need to learn how GD works. Yeah, seriously. An obvious sarcastic remark like that, based on what someone else said about this change on Test Server forums earlier, followed by a " " and they fall for that? Welcome to GD, fellas!
Castor Narcissus STARMINE inc Solaris Mortis 0	Posted - 2012.12.07 19:50:00 - [135] - Quote Here an email for a 2 month offer for the new expansion! Oh btw we just made using your drone boat a pain in the ass. Enjoy. At least ccp got my 20 euros.
Celestra Doxaila MinTek Heavy Industries 28	Posted - 2012.12.07 20:26:00 - [136] - Quote The new Algos and Dragoon are almost like a counter to the new drone-eating AI. The big 25% bonus makes the drones so fast that most of the frigates are dead before they can get a shot off. And as OP says, if you see a drone take a slice of damage, hit recall and light drones go from 50km out to in your drone bay in a few seconds. Light drones seem to fly even faster than light missiles for taking out frigates at range. Take out the NPC frigates first can you can run missions just like you always have.
Urgg Boolean Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 253	Posted - 2012.12.07 21:33:00 - [137] - Quote Drones were the perfect counter measure for Serpentis parallel/sequential damping. You can't get a lock? That's okay, your drones can thin out the field. If soloing, what is the counter measure for the Serpentis damping now? Because "disposable drones" is not really an option or a viable strategy in my opinion. I'm happy to admit my ignorance if anybody has a great counter measure. The inability to lock means guns or missiles are really ineffective. What? Smartbombs? The new AI, with it's insane focus on drones, effectively eliminates the perfect counter measure to Serpentis damping. This makes no sense in a game that is supposedly akin to rock/paper/scissors with systems of checks and balances. It is beyond adaptation. It is now wildly imbalanced.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1858	Posted - 2012.12.07 23:41:00 - [138] - Quote Urgg Boolean wrote: This makes no sense in a game that is supposedly akin to rock/paper/scissors with systems of checks and balances. It is beyond adaptation. It is now wildly imbalanced. EVE Online, wildly imbalanced? No way.... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Funky Lazers Shin-Ra Ltd 31	Posted - 2012.12.08 00:24:00 - [139] - Quote Urgg Boolean wrote: Drones were the perfect counter measure for Serpentis parallel/sequential damping. You can't get a lock? That's okay, your drones can thin out the field. If soloing, what is the counter measure for the Serpentis damping now? Because "disposable drones" is not really an option or a viable strategy in my opinion. I'm happy to admit my ignorance if anybody has a great counter measure. The inability to lock means guns or missiles are really ineffective. What? Smartbombs? The new AI, with it's insane focus on drones, effectively eliminates the perfect counter measure to Serpentis damping. This makes no sense in a game that is supposedly akin to rock/paper/scissors with systems of checks and balances. It is beyond adaptation. It is now wildly imbalanced. It's not a "perfect counter measure", it's the only way to deal with the dampers. "Adapt" - means you have to stop using the ship you like and start flying Drake or Tengu like the rest nullbear newbs.
Mars Theran Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 492	Posted - 2012.12.08 00:53:00 - [140] - Quote Haoibuni wrote: Gallente guys who are a bit new and despairing at all their time spent skilling drones: Take the plunge and move to null sec. You can do forsaken hubs. These hubs don't have any frigate rats and the cruisers / BSs don't target your sentries. Your sentry domi will shine. You can make 35mill ticks (subject to tax) with good sentry drone skills and BS5 even with crappy T1 guns. Probably 30mill with BS4. Do 4 of them in a row, will take 1hr 15mins, and then go salvage the 4 on the trot. Just 4 warps required all in the same system and you get another 35-50mill in salvage / loot for an additional 20mins work So that nets you about 150mill for 1hr 35mins ratting. Domi fit doesn't need to be pimp neither (use ASB fit - they work even after nerf) as it's a tiny bit risky as it has to sit still. Or sod the drones and do the above in a naga (but needs T2 guns and Void to pull in the best isk/hr). I always wonder why Null sec players encourage this when Complexes and the like have respawn timers that generally mean they are limited use for all players. More players means less opportunity to do them. In highsec, even as worthless as these places are, they are often empty. In Lowsec, I'd guess they aren't particularly available either, though it's not like you have much opportunity to check them there. I never do, or almost never. Null barely has enough interesting plexes to feed the interested players there; why would you invite more players unless you were just shamelessly plugging and didn't realize that they were being used up by the players you already have, or just didn't care. Always loved the, "Let them fight about it when they get here," attitude to recruiting; it adds such long term stability to organizations that rely on it." zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub

Mars Theran Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 493	Posted - 2012.12.08 01:06:00 - [141] - Quote Urgg Boolean wrote: Drones were the perfect counter measure for Serpentis parallel/sequential damping. You can't get a lock? That's okay, your drones can thin out the field. If soloing, what is the counter measure for the Serpentis damping now? Because "disposable drones" is not really an option or a viable strategy in my opinion. I'm happy to admit my ignorance if anybody has a great counter measure. The inability to lock means guns or missiles are really ineffective. What? Smartbombs? The new AI, with it's insane focus on drones, effectively eliminates the perfect counter measure to Serpentis damping. This makes no sense in a game that is supposedly akin to rock/paper/scissors with systems of checks and balances. It is beyond adaptation. It is now wildly imbalanced. Cripes.. just reship and/or refit. This isn't that hard to conceive of unless you are already an Alt who has been trained only for a specific ship and fit, and moved to a secondary slot after. Damps reduce range; use mods to increase range. If too many damps and or other EWAR to counter effectively, find another tactic. Too many small ships; bring in a Smartbombing Abaddon. Start the mission in a Destroyer, use Light or Medium Drones until Cruisers are dealt with. Bring more people. With Missions being harder to solo, that means that will affect all players equally provided there is a limited ability for them to adapt to it, and higher risk for those that do. That means more players will be interested in teamwork to complete these missions. Teamwork means you have more people who can open missions and selectively choose which ones you are going to run. etc.. This isn't complicated. Of course, I haven't run a level 4 in ages, but I used to run C6 Sleeper sites with friends and that wasn't so hard. The average Missioners problem is mostly that he is interested only in completing a string of highly predictable monotonous tasks in order to achieve a short term goal. Warp in, catch aggro, release drones, select targets, reference mission report for spawn triggers, kill other ships, move forward, use long range guns to grab additional aggro, rinse, repeat, etc.. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 290	Posted - 2012.12.08 01:11:00 - [142] - Quote They still aren't getting that the sleepers are still harder than the lvl 4 missions, huh? Maybe CCP oughtta put some real sleeper AI into mission rats just to show them how easy they really have it. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Mars Theran Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 493	Posted - 2012.12.08 01:20:00 - [143] - Quote Sorry, a lot of negative, closed-minded reactions on the forums lately have made me rather irritable and maybe a bit harsh in my responses to some posts such as these. If it were any other game and you were playing it for the first time, would you have a difficulty adapting to the situations you encounter and finding a means to overcome them? Of course you wouldn't; now go out and do it. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub
Alayna Le'line Battery Acid Skinny Dippers 34	Posted - 2012.12.08 01:39:00 - [144] - Quote ashley Eoner wrote: Alayna Le'line wrote: It's a bug, not an exploit, might want to learn what an exploit is, the fact that it was left in on purpose makes it not an exploit. It's also not fixed on purpose because otherwise all the missioners would insta-ragequit, so it's even arguable that it's an actual bug. And it's only going to get "fixed" together with other AI changes. Yes it's a bug and when you exploit it you're exploiting a bug. It's sort of like when some goonswarm members got greedy and exploited the crap out of the FW rules and then got busted to hell. Eve's history is full of people exploiting game mechanics only to be busted by CCP .. Right, let me try to explain this to you again. CCP knows of this unintended behaviour, CCP is not fixing this unintended behaviour because they know missioning in drone boats is otherwise too hard for most to handle. CCP will fix this behaviour when they make further changes to the mission rat AI. So simply put: this behaviour was unintended but ended up being beneficial to more or less keep drone boats usable in missions. As such it was kept until they make further changes to the AI, this makes it neither a bug nor an exploit for all practical purposes. That is all. Now kindly stop spreading FUD. On a related note, sleepers have no bearing on this discussion, sleeper sites were designed with sleepers in mind, missions were not. There's a reason you don't find huge numbers of sleepers in one pocket. Also, sleeper sites give "slightly" better rewards than level 4s.
Johan Civire Dirty Curse inc. 217	Posted - 2012.12.08 01:50:00 - [145] - Quote Edey wrote: Now that I can't do L4 missions with my drones, can I have a skills remap? No, this is not a joke or a troll. I really want a remap, this is fair. In any other game when devs nerf something to hell they give you a respec so you have a choice. Having mostly drone skills cuts your ability to do anything right now. iam sorry you feel like that afk mining was also removed. Now afk mision running to. To bad your playing like a world of warcraft player. Make it to hard for you? then eve is not your game. Atleast eve is not brainless farming skills... Time to go play a other game then.
Jawas The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.12.08 01:51:00 - [146] - Quote Manes Avatarr wrote: 1. We will encourage ppl to team play in PVE and mission ops will become more popular. 2. We need to cut down easy money from L4s 3. Solo pilots will start new account and pay us more 4. Some ppl will whine about it, some will enjoy changes. Ppl will adapt, eventually. 1. Or players will quit. 2. The easy money is on mining instead now that the Venture is here. 3. Or solo pilots will quit. 4. Or people will quit. Personally, I don't find it that much different but I only use drones for additional DPS, it just takes me a tiny bit longer to pop a battleship than before without my drones but I can live with that. I managed to solo Angel Extravaganza which has always been a PITA and I've been soloing lvl4's a lot on my Amarr main since the patch, more often than not, with the Absolution rather than the Paladin. I usually pop any frigates first or send the drones after them if they get in under my range and that sorts out the webbers and scramblers and leaves me free to warp out if things get too rough. Then work my way up in size rather than down, taking the cruisers out next which cuts down the DPS considerably and the remaining battleships, I can tank all day. Not had to warp out yet though. But that has always been my strategy ever since I started doing lvl4's before Blood Lines. To save the drones on most occasions, I recall them between each wave, wait until I have aggro and then deploy them to take out frigates. What I actually dislike is how easy a NPC battleship can pop your drones from 60K away compared to how difficult it is for you to pop drones in a battleship due to tracking limitations and their tiny sig radius. Also not good how a NPC battleship or even a cruiser can lock your drones in a couple of seconds compared to your 30 seconds or more to lock a drone, even with sensor boosters.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.12.08 02:06:00 - [147] - Quote Johan Civire wrote: Edey wrote: Now that I can't do L4 missions with my drones, can I have a skills remap? No, this is not a joke or a troll. I really want a remap, this is fair. In any other game when devs nerf something to hell they give you a respec so you have a choice. Having mostly drone skills cuts your ability to do anything right now. iam sorry you feel like that afk mining was also removed. Now afk mision running to. To bad your playing like a world of warcraft player. Make it to hard for you? then eve is not your game. Atleast eve is not brainless farming game. Time to go play a other game then. While I won't defend the request for remap, not every drone user was AFK. I enjoyed my RS in mission due to the effective range and good damage application which I made full use of by manually engaging my drones save when I was prevented from it by ewar. Things got harder for people like me as well, not just AFK'ers.
Tortise Winkle VonDudenberg Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.12.08 02:17:00 - [148] - Quote This patch mainly effects Botters. I suspect everyone in here complaining are just that. Because if they knew how to play eve, They wouldn't be using drones. You are all bot users and should all be banned.
Angus Christine Merrigold The Restless Masquerade Hedonistic Imperative 1	Posted - 2012.12.08 02:22:00 - [149] - Quote Who is moderating this forum??? Where is my post??? 3 hours later and it still isn't on here. Why am I being silenced!?!?!?
raskonalkov Tie Fighters Inc 0	Posted - 2012.12.08 02:44:00 - [150] - Quote ^ You should of done a cheap post and allowed it to be sacrificed, then put out the better high quality post. gotta learn how to play



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