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Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.12.09 14:00:00 -
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Sildan Smith wrote:The silence from the Devs regarding the changes to Drone aggro is absolutely deafening.
Not one of the many threads about how much damage the AI change has done to drone users has been commented on at all.
Yep, I'm totally loving how in the past week Dev tags and threads with a word "Drones" resolutely refuse to mix. And it's not like they are not on the forums, they're joking and horsing around in other threads. But anything with AI or drone to it? /ignore But hey, I'll give credit where credit is due - drone issue has been an elephant in the room for years, and CCP has done a fantastic job of completely ignoring it. |
Pretty GuyYeah
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.12.09 15:38:00 -
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Drones either need a revamp or a buff to compensate for the changes in Retribution. |
Silath Slyver Silverpine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.12.09 16:35:00 -
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POKER ALICE wrote:. . . I started with a Gallente toon years ago and learned of CCPs hatred of drones with each new patch. Just train anything but drones. I finally gave in to the Borg and started a Caldari toon and couldnt be happier. As for my Gallente pilot....well...he can still mine.
Funny, I did the same thing. Trained up to use a Domi fairly well and it was just, "Why am I bothering with this when I can put myself in a Raven that works so much better?" And that was long before Retribution. It's funny how between these last two expansions we've gotten, what, 9 new ships? Plus countless ship rebalancings. And not a single mention of drone improvements.
So, I trained up to use a CNR. Works much better. Of course, now I don't dare run any mission with warp scramming in it, because then I will die in under two minutes. But, to hell with me, since I like doing things solo. At least I can still make ridiculous ISK mining.
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POKER ALICE
Moonshine Monks Gentlemans Club
2
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Posted - 2012.12.09 17:16:00 -
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Silath Slyver Silverpine wrote:POKER ALICE wrote:. . . I started with a Gallente toon years ago and learned of CCPs hatred of drones with each new patch. Just train anything but drones. I finally gave in to the Borg and started a Caldari toon and couldnt be happier. As for my Gallente pilot....well...he can still mine. Funny, I did the same thing. Trained up to use a Domi fairly well and it was just, "Why am I bothering with this when I can put myself in a Raven that works so much better?" And that was long before Retribution. It's funny how between these last two expansions we've gotten, what, 9 new ships? Plus countless ship rebalancings. And not a single mention of drone improvements. So, I trained up to use a CNR. Works much better. Of course, now I don't dare run any mission with warp scramming in it, because then I will die in under two minutes. But, to hell with me, since I like doing things solo. At least I can still make ridiculous ISK mining.
You know, if they were going to trash drones, why even bother introducing new drone ships? Who the heck would even bother to train anything beyond light scout drones on purpose now? Everyone just nod your heads and move along in the same direction please. CCP obviously wants us all to fly a tengu lol. It would be funny if just were not so true. |
Frater Scrapheap
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.09 18:31:00 -
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A game and game mechanics should provide at least a little bit fun. I have 9 million Skillpoints in Drones and now i have to deal not only with a crappy drone interface, but with crappy game mechanics as well. I am not amused. And the reason why? Because some dudes did afk missions? *deep sigh* |
baltec1
Bat Country
3168
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Posted - 2012.12.09 18:37:00 -
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Frater Scrapheap wrote:A game and game mechanics should provide at least a little bit fun. I have 9 million Skillpoints in Drones and now i have to deal not only with a crappy drone interface, but with crappy game mechanics as well. I am not amused. And the reason why? Because some dudes did afk missions? *deep sigh* I have less drone skills than you and I am doing just fine. Methinks the issue lies between the chair and keyboard. |
Silath Slyver Silverpine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.12.09 18:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Frater Scrapheap wrote:A game and game mechanics should provide at least a little bit fun. I have 9 million Skillpoints in Drones and now i have to deal not only with a crappy drone interface, but with crappy game mechanics as well. I am not amused. And the reason why? Because some dudes did afk missions? *deep sigh* I have less drone skills than you and I am doing just fine. Methinks the issue lies between the chair and keyboard.
I'm wondering WTF all these people who are "Doing just fine." are doing, exactly.
When an entire room, including 10-20 frigates, insta-locks and targets your drones as soon as you deploy them, that drone dies. End of story. So, if you're doing things where you're only facing 5 or 6 ships, of course you're going to be fine. That doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist, and no matter how many time you say "I'm doing fine." it doesn't change the fact of the situation.
With that said, as soon as this 'entire room agros at once' thing is fixed, the drone issue will be much more manageable and people will stop complaining about it. When that issue will be fixed remains to be seen, it's been 5 days with nary a word except "We recognize the bug and are aware of it. Will fix it sometime in the future."
Meanwhile anyone who actually enjoyed doing missions solo is SOL. |
Frater Scrapheap
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.09 18:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Frater Scrapheap wrote:A game and game mechanics should provide at least a little bit fun. I have 9 million Skillpoints in Drones and now i have to deal not only with a crappy drone interface, but with crappy game mechanics as well. I am not amused. And the reason why? Because some dudes did afk missions? *deep sigh* I have less drone skills than you and I am doing just fine. Methinks the issue lies between the chair and keyboard.
I am talking about crappy game mechanics and the interface.... not about "being able to do missions and combat sites". I have enough experience under my belt with drones to adapt, oh Sherlock. But it doesnt change the fact, that the new mechanics are not fun, just more tedious. |
Deja Blue
Vimana VII
9
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Posted - 2012.12.09 19:36:00 -
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It would appear to me that the developers are the enemy, more and more.
We all remember from Monocle-gate how they really feel about the players-base. It is as if the developers do everything possible to keep new players from even being able to play the game.
Lot to think about.
Darkfall: Unholy Wars is next week. I think I will try that.
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Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
563
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Posted - 2012.12.09 20:29:00 -
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Deja Blue wrote: Darkfall: Unholy Wars is next week. I think I will try that.
Save your time and money. Darkfall was a lousy game years ago when it launched, it's still a lousy game now. And the developers didn't learn a thing in all these years. They were a joke back when original DFO released, pushing release back 3 (or was it 4?) times, and now they're doing the same thing with Darkfall 2.0. Just ignore them and that game. It held a lot of promise, but frankly it's a bit of a joke, as was Mortal Online (which is F2P and essentially dead now). |
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Lord Tempist
UnLimited Liability Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.09 20:30:00 -
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Sildan Smith wrote:The silence from the Devs regarding the changes to Drone aggro is absolutely deafening.
Not one of the many threads about how much damage the AI change has done to drone users has been commented on at all.
Who do you think is shouting down all the complainers? Lollerskates ALTS FTW
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Mund Richard
21
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Posted - 2012.12.09 20:33:00 -
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Frater Scrapheap wrote:now i have to deal not only with a crappy drone interface, but with crappy game mechanics as well. I am not amused. And the reason why? Because some dudes did afk missions? *deep sigh* Oh come on! Do you really believe that is the reason?
CCP FoxFire noted himself how the Spider Domi Fleets are safer AFK than ever before.
And that weeks before the expansion came out! Sarcasm can be like drugs. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2205
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Posted - 2012.12.09 20:40:00 -
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Silath Slyver Silverpine wrote: I'm wondering WTF all these people who are "Doing just fine." are doing, exactly.
Check their posting histories.
It's always the same people, from major 0.0 alliances, puffing their elite chests, constantly demanding nerfs on hi sec, suicide ganking miners and freighters, telling *the others* to STFU and adapt (yet they will never STFU and adapt to their lands).
Not a bit of empathy or comprehension expecially for those not following their forcibly canned, strong armed ways.
Basically you probably have an experience of meeting such kind of arrogant and overbearing people a bit everywhere. And you despise them. In EvE they are a consistent number.
They could politely point you at a resource telling you how to deal with the new challenge but no, they prefer to point and laugh at you. They want to make you feel bad. They enjoy it, it makes them feel good.
Don't feel bad, because you are a nice and coy person, they are the humanity's bad examples. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1873
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Posted - 2012.12.09 20:59:00 -
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Deja Blue wrote:It would appear to me that the developers are the enemy, more and more.
We all remember from Monocle-gate how they really feel about the players-base. It is as if the developers do everything possible to keep new players from even being able to play the game.
Lot to think about.
Darkfall: Unholy Wars is next week. I think I will try that. Did you unlock the hidden final boss?! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Hevymetal
POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance
32
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Posted - 2012.12.09 21:01:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Sildan Smith wrote:The silence from the Devs regarding the changes to Drone aggro is absolutely deafening.
Not one of the many threads about how much damage the AI change has done to drone users has been commented on at all.
Yep, I'm totally loving how in the past week Dev tags and threads with a word "Drones" resolutely refuse to mix. And it's not like they are not on the forums, they're joking and horsing around in other threads. But anything with AI or drone to it? /ignore But hey, I'll give credit where credit is due - drone issue has been an elephant in the room for years, and CCP has done a fantastic job of completely ignoring it.
And therein lies another problem in and of itself. Lack of communication. 10 Threads on the first page alone that Devs have commented in. Ranging from killrights, bounties, WIS, hell even the number of people logged into the server. Yet not a word about this issue. On behalf of the community, SAY SOMETHING PLEASE :) I humbly believe this issue warrants some response as it effects a vast section of the playerbase.
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Pretty GuyYeah
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.12.09 21:04:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Silath Slyver Silverpine wrote: I'm wondering WTF all these people who are "Doing just fine." are doing, exactly.
Check their posting histories. It's always the same people, from major 0.0 alliances, puffing their elite chests, constantly demanding nerfs on hi sec, suicide ganking miners and freighters, telling *the others* to STFU and adapt (yet they will never STFU and adapt to their lands). Not a bit of empathy or comprehension expecially for those not following their forcibly canned, strong armed ways. Basically you probably have an experience of meeting such kind of arrogant and overbearing people a bit everywhere. And you despise them. In EvE they are a consistent number. They could politely point you at a resource telling you how to deal with the new challenge but no, they prefer to point and laugh at you. They want to make you feel bad. They enjoy it, it makes them feel good. Don't feel bad, because you are a nice and coy person, they are the humanity's bad examples.
+1
+ they have enough SP to not care about the changes, some of us dont' |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1873
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Posted - 2012.12.09 21:07:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Sildan Smith wrote:The silence from the Devs regarding the changes to Drone aggro is absolutely deafening.
Not one of the many threads about how much damage the AI change has done to drone users has been commented on at all. Yep, I'm totally loving how in the past week Dev tags and threads with a word "Drones" resolutely refuse to mix. And it's not like they are not on the forums, they're joking and horsing around in other threads. But anything with AI or drone to it? /ignore But hey, I'll give credit where credit is due - drone issue has been an elephant in the room for years, and CCP has done a fantastic job of completely ignoring it. And therein lies another problem in and of itself. Lack of communication. 10 Threads on the first page alone that Devs have commented in. Ranging from killrights, bounties, WIS, hell even the number of people logged into the server. Yet not a word about this issue. On behalf of the community, SAY SOMETHING PLEASE :) I humbly believe this issue warrants some response as it effects a vast section of the playerbase. That is a response already, they clearly think it's just fine. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Admiral Rufus
New Eden Renegades Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
24
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Posted - 2012.12.09 21:24:00 -
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Don't mind smarter ai, but if i were in a 20man fleet and a solo ship warped into us and dropped drones, even if it were a drone boat, no one would ever target a single drone! Missioning is repetative enough without adding in another repetative task of recalling and redeploying drones every 2 minutes!
I don't mission a lot, but when i do i want it to be irritation free, now it isn't. At least outside of nullsec, stop npc's in missions L1-5 targetting drones please, its annoying |
Red Maiden
Aliastra Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.12.09 21:25:00 -
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I'm loving the changes!
Makes doing some L4s much more interesting. I even lost a few drones during a mission for the first time in a long time, and it wasn't because I warped out and forgot about them. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2207
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Posted - 2012.12.09 22:38:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Deja Blue wrote:It would appear to me that the developers are the enemy, more and more.
We all remember from Monocle-gate how they really feel about the players-base. It is as if the developers do everything possible to keep new players from even being able to play the game.
Lot to think about.
Darkfall: Unholy Wars is next week. I think I will try that. Did you unlock the hidden final boss?!
Considering EvE is a risk free, carebear game compared to Darkfall, did you unlock the hidden, final moon? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1876
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Posted - 2012.12.09 23:08:00 -
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Admiral Rufus wrote:I don't mission a lot, but when i do i want it to be irritation free, now it isn't. Op success. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
baltec1
Bat Country
3175
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Posted - 2012.12.09 23:14:00 -
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Pretty GuyYeah wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Silath Slyver Silverpine wrote: I'm wondering WTF all these people who are "Doing just fine." are doing, exactly.
Check their posting histories. It's always the same people, from major 0.0 alliances, puffing their elite chests, constantly demanding nerfs on hi sec, suicide ganking miners and freighters, telling *the others* to STFU and adapt (yet they will never STFU and adapt to their lands). Not a bit of empathy or comprehension expecially for those not following their forcibly canned, strong armed ways. Basically you probably have an experience of meeting such kind of arrogant and overbearing people a bit everywhere. And you despise them. In EvE they are a consistent number. They could politely point you at a resource telling you how to deal with the new challenge but no, they prefer to point and laugh at you. They want to make you feel bad. They enjoy it, it makes them feel good. Don't feel bad, because you are a nice and coy person, they are the humanity's bad examples. +1 + they have enough SP to not care about the changes, some of us dont' Its funny because I literally just said I have less SP in drones.
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baltec1
Bat Country
3175
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Posted - 2012.12.09 23:20:00 -
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Admiral Rufus wrote: I don't mission a lot, but when i do i want it to be irritation free, now it isn't.
And this right here is what people are whining about. CCP have turned off easy mode slightly and they are not at all happy about it! |
Drakthon
The Abdication Corporation WHY so Seri0Us
0
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Posted - 2012.12.09 23:33:00 -
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I use a Rattlesnake in null, and my drones were blasted. Sure, I recalled them, but we all know how fast heavies move. I used to be able to do Forlorn Hubs for iskies between ops, now I'm going to have to find a different hull. Shame. It was a beautiful ship.
I'll probably get the Tengu that has been mentioned so many times.
My problem is not with the changes. Mix things up, that's fine. But it is the idea of Eve, that paradigm that you can only trust yourself, that causes pilots to want to solo lvl 4 missions. Corp mates are an option, but it is after all highsec. You want fleet ops, CCP, move lvl 4's to lowsec. That'll show em.
Drones in npc combat should be left alone. Who the hell cares if you can solo lvl 4's by deploying drones and waiting around? It's highsec. Everyone and their dog knows that null is where it's at, and low sec if you're feeling ballsy.
This expansion pack was supposed to be CCP's redemption (hence "retribution") from their idiotic ways (read: walking in stations) of the past. I find this bulldozer approach to "fixing" something that isn't broken is akin to their absolutely brilliant release (and subsequent handling) of the Nobel exchange and the fiasco that ensued.
Oh well. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2209
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Posted - 2012.12.09 23:34:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Admiral Rufus wrote: I don't mission a lot, but when i do i want it to be irritation free, now it isn't.
And this right here is what people are whining about. CCP have turned off easy mode slightly and they are not at all happy about it!
Next patch, complete nerf to titan bridges! Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2210
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Posted - 2012.12.09 23:36:00 -
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Drakthon wrote:I use a Rattlesnake in null, and my drones were blasted. Sure, I recalled them, but we all know how fast heavies move. I used to be able to do Forlorn Hubs for iskies between ops, now I'm going to have to find a different hull. Shame. It was a beautiful ship.
I'll probably get the Tengu that has been mentioned so many times.
My problem is not with the changes. Mix things up, that's fine. But it is the idea of Eve, that paradigm that you can only trust yourself, that causes pilots to want to solo lvl 4 missions. Corp mates are an option, but it is after all highsec. You want fleet ops, CCP, move lvl 4's to lowsec. That'll show em.
Drones in npc combat should be left alone. Who the hell cares if you can solo lvl 4's by deploying drones and waiting around? It's highsec. Everyone and their dog knows that null is where it's at, and low sec if you're feeling ballsy.
This expansion pack was supposed to be CCP's redemption (hence "retribution") from their idiotic ways (read: walking in stations) of the past. I find this bulldozer approach to "fixing" something that isn't broken is akin to their absolutely brilliant release (and subsequent handling) of the Nobel exchange and the fiasco that ensued.
Oh well.
Mate, here's the plan:
1) Make your nullsec ability to make ISK gimped. 2) Thus force you back to hi sec to grind ISK. 3) Now the usual gang can stink the forums about the fact you find hi sec better at grinding ISK than nullsec! Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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baltec1
Bat Country
3175
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Posted - 2012.12.09 23:43:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Admiral Rufus wrote: I don't mission a lot, but when i do i want it to be irritation free, now it isn't.
And this right here is what people are whining about. CCP have turned off easy mode slightly and they are not at all happy about it! Next patch, complete nerf to titan bridges! Means nothing to me. |
HydroSan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.12.10 00:00:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Sildan Smith wrote:The silence from the Devs regarding the changes to Drone aggro is absolutely deafening.
Not one of the many threads about how much damage the AI change has done to drone users has been commented on at all.
Quite true. And this is only phase one of the plan. Phase 2 is the removal of the current loophole where the AI only attacks the 1st wave of your drones. So how do you interpret that silence from the devs? In your interpretation, consider also that CCP has not provided hard data on PvE income for quite some time, so there is no baseline to measure any drop in PvE income with.
I haven't noticed this loophole at all.
Drones are dying everywhere. |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
92
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Posted - 2012.12.10 00:10:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: And this right here is what people are whining about. CCP have turned off easy mode slightly and they are not at all happy about it!
Try...no, better still, record an attempt at "The Assault" vs Serpentis and post it. Preferably in something pricey and shiny so I can laugh at you.
"turned off easy mode slightly"...is that what you call some 30-40 ships aggroing at warp in while combined with roughly 8-10 of those spamming dampers synchronously?
That's not "turned off easy mode slightly", that is "batshit insane".
Edit: For bonus points, show me your 'adapt or die' fit which swaps tank/dps for sebos/equivalent....then allow me to laugh harder as the rats melt your (now hilarious) 'adapted' tank in a heartbeat. |
Mund Richard
23
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Posted - 2012.12.10 00:41:00 -
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Drakthon wrote:I use a Rattlesnake in null, and my drones were blasted. Sure, I recalled them, but we all know how fast heavies move. I used to be able to do Forlorn Hubs for iskies between ops, now I'm going to have to find a different hull. Shame. It was a beautiful ship. Rattlesnake with heavy drones (jumping to conclusions here, but on battleships?). Lost me there.
Morrigan LeSante wrote:baltec1 wrote:And this right here is what people are whining about. CCP have turned off easy mode slightly and they are not at all happy about it! Try...no, better still, record an attempt at "The Assault" vs Serpentis and post it. Preferably in something pricey and shiny so I can laugh at you. "turned off easy mode slightly"...is that what you call some 30-40 ships aggroing at warp in while combined with roughly 8-10 of those spamming dampers synchronously? That's not "turned off easy mode slightly", that is "batshit insane". Edit: For bonus points, show me your 'adapt or die' fit which swaps tank/dps for sebos/equivalent....then allow me to laugh harder as the rats melt your (now hilarious) 'adapted' tank in a heartbeat. *popcorn* If you do it after the full room aggro has been fixed, first take full aggro manually, move back to the starting poing, de-target everything and recall drones. Sarcasm can be like drugs. |
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