CCP had us "vote" to see if we wanted to divert a whole team for a year to roll out tesselation. But, they never said if they pulled the trigger on it. So, what ever happened to it?

Praytell, what exactly is Tesselation?

CCP had us "vote" to see if we wanted to divert a whole team for a year to roll out tesselation.

the idea of collisions taking place between object models instead of bounding bubbles (they're called?) should have some damage implications, I think. as in, bumping is no longer "free" and inconsequential to the pilot performing the bump

Soonest estimate is Summer 2014.

Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...

Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...

Considering first DX11 games started to come out in early 2010, I guess it's not too bad, only 3 years behind the times.

Considering first DX11 games started to come out in early 2010, I guess it's not too bad, only 3 years behind the times.

Don't get me wrong, I am a graphics programmer, I love everything new. But statistics show that only ~50% of the players run dx11-ready systems. So we don't want to shut them out for this

Don't get me wrong, I am a graphics programmer, I love everything new. But statistics show that only ~50% of the players run dx11-ready systems. So we don't want to shut them out for this

WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!

Yeah, to be totally honest I was one of those folks who hung on to Win2K until just about everyone dropped support for it. Only switched to XP in late 2006 for Company of Heroes.

Considering the first DX11 chipsets came out in 2010, and considering that the usual refresh cycle for PCs is 3 years, while the usual refresh cycle is 5 years, and EVE players are notorious for using ancient boxes (remember the furore about Shader 3.0 meaning people couldn't run EVE on their ASUS EEPC?), expecting to migrate the entire population of EVE Online to DX11 before 2015 is rather optimistic.

Of course, if you want to give me $2000 to upgrade my home office to DX11-capable hardware before then, I won't reject your money :)

Aha! So everyone who wants tessellation: put a bounty on this guy!

Is there anything similar tech wise for OpenGL?
I ask because I have a dream of a native Linux client

So basically CCP, you trolled us.

Many games are coming out non XP in the next year. Really, this is the last year of XP. And no, you can't point at a concrete block and say, that is why, and say its pointless, when your own freaking demo at fanfest showed exactly why it wasn't pointless.

Remember the crowd cheering for it? Remember people saying they wanted it?

Right now the capitals look awful. I'm sure they might get improved at some point, but at this size, detail makes things look bigger than they actually are. Making stuff just larger with bad textures doesn't make them really feel all that big frankly. They are just filling more screen real estate.

ALSO. How does CCP know what kind of machine we use?

Word of advice - assemble your own PC and don't **** away your money for nothing. If you play your cards right, catch some good sales and don't do anything stupid, you can have a fantastic PC for a whole lot less. Basic DX11 capable video card (such as HD 5770) is under $100 for crying out loud, and that's "full price". Catch an X-Mas sale, and you can get it for under $70. Bam, install Win7 and you're DX11 compatible!

WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!

Considering first DX11 games started to come out in early 2010, I guess it's not too bad, only 3 years behind the times.

Word of advice: Don't cheap out on the video card when building a gaming computer: I'd be looking at a GTX 670, which will cost me about $500 in Australia (perish the thought of a GTX680). Then you build the system around the video card: motherboard and case which will fit the card, memory and processor to fit the motherboard.

I have visited friends trying to convince me to buy a Windows 7 gaming computer. Between all the cables (OMG the cables: I've been using iMacs for 7 years, cables are just not something I want to deal with) and the endless cycle of upgrading Windows, then upgrading video drivers, then waiting for the virus scanner to let you use the computer, we spent an hour waiting for the computer to be ready for us to play a game. He convinced me alright, and that was before Windows restarted the computer in the middle of a game in order to install a "critical update". WTF?

No, I don't have time to futz around fixing things which shouldn't be broken. No, I don't enjoy spending my time watching the sales and computer fairs and special offers just to build a computer for $800 over six months rather than just buying it off the shelf for $2000. That is time better spent shopping for a new investment property or gardening.

Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...

I agree: the capitals DO look awful. Trust me, the V3-project will make them look a lot better... (release: around summer 2013)

But: dx11 doesn't make something "just look better", you have to use dx11 features! And that takes dev time...

I agree: the capitals DO look awful. Trust me, the V3-project will make them look a lot better... (release: around summer 2013)

But: dx11 doesn't make something "just look better", you have to use dx11 features! And that takes dev time...

Don't get me wrong, I am a graphics programmer, I love everything new. But statistics show that only ~50% of the players run dx11-ready systems. So we don't want to shut them out for this

If you make EVE Online a DX11 game, then your customers would upgrade to a DX11 card.

Yes, some would not like it - it may even be a PR disaster...not that the publicity would be a bad thing, because 'all publicity is good publicity'.

Most would say 'well, it makes sense they should chose to move forward with the game graphics...I was going to get a DX11 card anyway at some point...I guess now this brings that date forward'.

If you gave us all 12 months warning this is going to happen, I think that's plenty of time to scrub $200.

Besides, it's not like EVE Online is the only game we have installed, is it?

DX9 was 2004 - get with the times everybody.

It pre-dates pure pwnage...if anyone even remembers that now.

On a related topic, CCP, can we please have an optional download of high-res textures please?

We know you have them...

AK

WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!

Don't get me wrong, I am a graphics programmer, I love everything new. But statistics show that only ~50% of the players run dx11-ready systems. So we don't want to shut them out for this

Oh, I absolutely agree. But 50% is a pretty high number (I honestly expected a lot less). And wouldn't the new DX11 client be DX10 compatible anyway (for the remaining 40% or so). I don't imagine there's a lot of folks out there still running DX9 and WinXP. And if they do...well...maybe they should get with the times.

Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...

How can I check if I'm DX11-capable? I think I am, but it'd be nice to be sure. Is there some simple test or check I can perform?

Can people please stop suggesting that bumping should do damage, it just makes you look like a victim of James315 and would be terrible in fleets or the undock of popular stations (Jita)

Dx10 was the first to fully support tesellation and the first dx10 card was mid 2007.

Threads like this make me feel old.

Not only do I think of XP as newish but whenever I read anything about tesselation I can't see what the fuss is about.

Will my trusty Matrox Millenium run DX11 or will I need to change the jumper settings on it first?

It pre-dates pure pwnage...if anyone even remembers that now.

How big of an issue would it be to have a DX11 option in the client for those that can use it?

This reminds me a bit of AoC. It has options for DX9 and DX10.

Can we see the client wide computer specs survey ?

Don't get me wrong, I am a graphics programmer, I love everything new. But statistics show that only ~50% of the players run dx11-ready systems. So we don't want to shut them out for this

Why not having 2 clients then ? A DX9 one and a DX11 one. I know a very popular MMORPG that has 2 clients so everybody is happy. In addition with Windows 8 the latest version of DirectX isn't DX11 anymore but DX11.1

Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...

Most of the people advocating for hardware tessellation don't really know what they're talking about.

Hardware tessellation is just the ability of a graphics card to add new detail to an object when needed by subdividing it. Instead of defining all your models as faces of polygons you define a function for the larger object and the graphics card approximates it in real time using polygons.

It won't make anything pretty unless you really know what you're doing. It's just a new way of doing LOD calculations.

Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...

So when you warp into a deadspace complex with tons of asteroids, buildings and clouds then you will see the benefit of tesselation.

By that I mean, it will have much faster FPS.

You're right about the "not much prettier" part, but I hate the lag that happens when I warp into a "busy" place...

tesselation should actualy be a VERY important goal no matter what the player base is playing the game with. Roll it out when you guys are ready but please dont act like those with DX11 want to wait for those XP users to die off. srs, I want tesselation.

I invested in a new pc and graphics card(s) because of some games that I wanted to play. Now I have an uber water cooled machine that can run almost infinite amounts of EVE clients with CQ enabled. That EVE's graphics are kept back from their full potential by a bunch of cheap ass players that refuse to upgrade their ZX Spectrums is plain stupid

Unfortunately it dies in a year or so. I dread the the time I have to buy a new OS for the 5 machines in our household.
Win Vista? When tried on a new machine (at the time) it made my old ZX Spectrum look fast.
Win 7? When tried I couldn't use half the machines attached to the computer and a lot of the configuration options I am used to simple where not there or excess-able without third party programs.
Win 8? I don't have a bloody smart phone! I have a PC!

Win XP does it's job just fine thank you. Including running EvE.

So you bought tons of enthusiast hardware and are mad that it is overkill?

I dont think we need anything else slowing down the client. When they can get a 2000 man fleet fight to run smooth as butter with no disconnects then they can add more crap to it.

Without wishing to speak for the poster, I think it's more like "I pay a subscription which costs almost as much as a DX11 graphics card - my affinity towards the publisher of the game is waning".

It's overkill for EVE, but EVE is not the only game.

AK

Dropdown menu in graphics card settings

Option #1 DX 9/10

Option #2 DX 11

There are games that support both modes already.. i know it needs more HDD space if you switch from default DX9/10 the DX11 as well as the right video card but its not rocket appliances just more work :)

I wish I lived in your world where software development is so simple. Also more rocket appliances please.

It is that simple, haven't you see Stargate Atlantis or Independence Day? Everything is plug and play these days

They were really lucky in ID4 that the alien space ship fleet was running MacOS.

i personally think the issue should be forced onto the player but rather as an optional requirment. most people dont have 2000$ they can just throw down on a gaming PC with bills to pay and what not.

Be that as it may im considering getting parts for a custom PC and have someone else build it for me.
Im not exactly tech savvy when it comes to the internal organs of a PC

A brand new $50 video card can run DX11 quite well.

Yes, mostly with their alts. Can't blame them...

I can. BTW...I believe they stated that it would be a years worth of man hours. A man hour is one man working for one hour. I doubt it would take a FULL year if all the devs were working on it.

I would expect that they could roll it out in one expansion if they wanted to. Then again...we got people using stone age PC's to play...so...yeah.

~man hours~

You make the wrong assumption that all devs are skilled in all areas. This is wrong. You also assume that simply tossing more devs on a project makes it go faster, and this is really wrong.

Dropdown menu in graphics card settings

Option #1 DX 9/10

Option #2 DX 11

There are games that support both modes already.. i know it needs more HDD space if you switch from default DX9/10 the DX11 as well as the right video card but its not rocket appliances just more work :)

And if people can "see" the difference from youtube or a buddies house they will want to upgrade there rigs.. i have even done that to a friend from other games.. "how come my game does not look like that?" .. "because your graphics card sucks dude" :)

Oh and I'm sure it does hardware tessellation really awesome too

You just stopped reading right there, didn't you?

Sometimes I wonder if it's worth typing more than 3 words on these forums.

CCP's version control, code management and regression testing systems are already pushed past the breaking point with their single PC client version. Look at the bugs that get re-introduced and previously working features broken with each patch over the past five years. CCP managing the code base and testing regimen for two clients?

Also, Windows 8? Is anybody using that OS on a traditional PC?

Dropdown menu in graphics card settings

Option #1 DX 9/10

Option #2 DX 11

There are games that support both modes already.. i know it needs more HDD space if you switch from default DX9/10 the DX11 as well as the right video card but its not rocket appliances just more work :)

And if people can "see" the difference from youtube or a buddies house they will want to upgrade there rigs.. i have even done that to a friend from other games.. "how come my game does not look like that?" .. "because your graphics card sucks dude" :)

Then T-bag died and no new episodes came out. I think I got the joy of waiting for, what, the last three in 2007?

I agree: the capitals DO look awful. Trust me, the V3-project will make them look a lot better... (release: around summer 2013)

But: dx11 doesn't make something "just look better", you have to use dx11 features! And that takes dev time...

Yeah, to be totally honest I was one of those folks who hung on to Win2K until just about everyone dropped support for it. Only switched to XP in late 2006 for Company of Heroes.

Also, Windows 8? Is anybody using that OS on a traditional PC?

Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...

I think that the best option would be to implement a system that would allow a user to pick a certain version of DirectX.

Easy example: The user would be able at the start of the EVELauncher to pick which version to choose (DX9 client with an option to upgrade to DX11 in the future by just clicking a proper tickbox later on in the settings or go straight for DX11 client).

Upon launch of DX11 client the DX9 client would be deprecated and only security/fixes would be released to it, no graphic/optimization improvement (except if there would be for example graphic glitches of course). I think that in time when the DX9 users will notice how much performance and shinies they can take advantage of when using the DX11 will make them upgrade their client via launcher to the DX11 one.

Also an option to buy a DX11 GFX card with PLEX's at least for the first ~3-6 months after DX11 client release might be a viable option for those with a lot of ISK's, and also minor profit for CCP maybe.

WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!

I'm on a ****** laptop without dx11 and if EVE changed to require it I'd be the first one out the door to upgrade. But I'm still curious, how hard is it to make the game compatible for both? dx10 and 11?

Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...

Does Eve really even NEED tessellation?

can i have your stuff when you quit

Does Eve really even NEED tessellation? It seems like something that SOUNDS cool to have, but not really needed. Due to Eve's engagement ranges and setup, being zoomed in close enough to see details actually puts you at a disadvantage.

So, again i want to ask. Why do we need DX11 support RIGHT NOW? Even the engine speed wouldn't be that much better, at least without huge workload of re-writing the whole thing and models.

Thanks for being cool enough to reply Mankiller. I figured that the capitals would get the V3 treatment at some point. I'd like to see a big polygon increase as well as just textures, and maybe them being redesigned with this in mind.

And one day, maybe the Typhoon won't look like a garbage collection lorry. Dreams are made of this :)

The impressive part of the Tess demo wasn't so much the increased visual detail of the ship, rather the realistic physics of the asteroids breaking up and impacts on the ship. That has so much potential.

Make it so CCP.

make it optional then.

WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!

WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!

impossible, if collision is based on models generated by tessellation, it has to be game wide. otherwise I could get somewhere you couldn't or vice versa.

Not to be inflammatory, but as a tech support person, I can't stand the die hard WinXP people. It's like refusing to upgrade to an AK because it isn't your muzzle-loading musket.

Don't get me wrong, I am a graphics programmer, I love everything new. But statistics show that only ~50% of the players run dx11-ready systems. So we don't want to shut them out for this

Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...

WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!

Is it overkill? Yup.

CCP hasn't even addressed the horrid performance hit when visiting grids that have space clouds (dust, whatever)...but here we are asking for the world.

I want to start getting into water cooling but Im's scared to do so at the moment. Really no need right now since I dont mess with overclocking all that much.

Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...

So my question to CCP is, where is this new development up to now?

Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...

WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!

Aha! So everyone who wants tessellation: put a bounty on this guy!

Seems they want people up upgrade before working on it. Kind of backwards thinking imo. Personally i'll never upgrade anything without a good reason too.

2015 is probably a good guess for tesselation

As of April 8, 2014 Windows XP will no longer be supported so that aught to kill it (maybe)
Source: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/endofsupport.aspx

Don't get me wrong, I am a graphics programmer, I love everything new. But statistics show that only ~50% of the players run dx11-ready systems. So we don't want to shut them out for this

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was possible to disable settings if necessary. I know there are a lot of games you can run in either DX10 or DX11, so what's the problem here with doing that?

How is that dude gonna keep multiboxing 100 Mackinaw pilots if CCP moves to a DX11 client?

When I read this I was all like huh?

I had remembered watching the EVE fanfest video on tessellation where Tony Tamasi, NVIDIAGÇÖs Senior Vice President of Content & Technology, and CCPGÇÖs Halldor Fannar presented the new demo.

I also remembered what card was quoted as most popular, "... the demo was in fact running on a GeForce GTX 560, the most commonly used graphics card in EVE Online."
Source: nVidia.com

It is known in the gaming industry that content drives hardware sale, hence why the likes of companies such as nVidia get behind developers to promote new features such as this.

So my question to CCP is, where is this new development up to now?

I like that EVE runs on my old PCs. I have 3 accounts right now and I play at 3 locations. I have no problems paying (working) to afford 3 accounts but buying 2 new PCs and a new notebook for this game is a no-go.

IMO: Downgrade graphics. Give us more possibilities to reduce quality to use more clients on older PCs and more important: Give us a client so small it would run on an Android mobile.

In beautiful EVE here is absolutely no need at all for brightening up any graphics.

Iam still using windows xp and i dont think i will upgrade for some graphics improvement. I play low graphics its not about the graphics its about the gameplay. I like to have a lag free game then a shiny bugged lag fest game. I dont see why people want that upgrade its have no point to use in gameplay except its shiny. People want more graphics and worst gameplay. The offer more lag for pc stress the pc more. Cost more power and you need to pay more for the bills. And the time the need to make it possible, the can do better work on expands or better stuff than some graphics that i dont need. Or anyone except for people that want shiny ships.

Just a view of opinion thats what peopel think 10 years ago.

I have 2xHD5970 thats eating eve online over 900fps if full open. So even if the upgrade its will not do any harm for my cards.

Iam still using windows xp and i dont think i will upgrade for some graphics improvement. I play low graphics its not about the graphics its about the gameplay. I like to have a lag free game then a shiny bugged lag fest game. I dont see why people want that upgrade its have no point to use in gameplay except its shiny. People want more graphics and worst gameplay. The offer more lag for pc stress the pc more. Cost more power and you need to pay more for the bills. And the time the need to make it possible, the can do better work on expands or better stuff than some graphics that i dont need. Or anyone except for people that want shiny ships.

Just a view of opinion thats what peopel think 10 years ago.

I have 2xHD5970 thats eating eve online over 900fps if full open. So even if the upgrade its will not do any harm for my cards.

My point exactly you do realise your holding everyone back, your actually preventing us with decent PC's from playing a game which should look as awesome as it plays.

two different sets of shaders = much more work.

It's not just "switching on/off a feature".

this is why CCP wont ever do anything (major) ever again. Cause all u guys are split on everything...remind me of damn politicians arguing...I would hate being a developer working for CCP having to listen to these forum raging....thanks to you guys we will see another 2 years straight of just bug fixes and small little balancing.

I guess that's you saying "I'm willing to pay double monthly and play double hours to make up for the 50% we loose after upgrading". Nice offer mate!

Short: DX11 update means certain death for EVE.

Long:
4 reasons why I think that way:

1. Never change the target audience
When a player starts EVE he is told flat out that he will not be high end for years to come. You can not tell him at the same time "you will not be able to play after two years because we increase requirements faster then you upgrade". Killing 50% (or even 25%) of the player base because you're upgrading faster then they do, will send the wrong message and is clearly a change of target audience.
-- Example 1: SWG. They tried and they got hit big time. Didn't learn, tried again, failed again. And again.
-- Example 2: UO. They tried to create a 3D client and found out it was a bad idea for UO (and focused on 2D again and got a few more years that way). 3D fans where already playing other games.
--- Example 3: Maybe I could even mention OFP -> ARMA1 -> ARMA2. Every upgrade hurt the community big time and for somebody with extensive Mods it was only graphics upgrades anyway so it mirrors what would happen here.

2. Multiy accounting is wanted
So hardware requirements should always be as low as possible anyway for that one cheap additional graphics card or notebook.

3. Loosing "Alpha Players" kills games.
In games there are "Alpha Players". These guys run big Corps / Guilds / Clans and these guys create the "energy" for other people to play the game. These player are normally the oldest in the game. I don't mean the most active player. A powergamer playing on his own 10hours / day sitting and trading in Jita will not have an impact on ingame politics or the "energy" of other players. But somebody running a big corp and doing "the work" behind the scenes of the corp and making tohers do things, is meant.
Loosing a Guildleader normally has a big impact on a guild / clan / corp. I've seens guilds in other games disband after years of existence after the guildleader or any other "Alpha" left. The community "went dry on energy" and starved to death.
These player are most likely the oldest and that means they are more likely to have an old system. Maybe CCP is already checking in their database for the risk of loosing these players. Even if they would be the last 10% not capable of running DX 11, then it would be deadly to switch. Good thing in EVE is that they are easy and partly even automaticly spotable.

4. EVE has a big political network.
The people are used to the big corps running this sector, the others in that wormhole and some just play to hit their specific enemycorp in that other end of the galaxy. I have never seen a so politically connected game like EVE.
-- Example: Red without blue? yeah, sure.

Surely there must be an update on graphics or the game will die (like UO did) but never ever change the requirements before you are absolutely sure that you will not loose any important players. Create a second client or make the client capable of both. Give options to player and we will see what happens. But risking to loose 50% of players would be... well... not very intelligent.

But I just wrote this to finish my posting with my request for an Android client. Just for trading and skills would be fine... Can I has Android-Client? Pretty pretty pleeeease :).

I will agree that alpha players make the game, its new players constantly coming in that keep the game afloat.

For those of us who have paid a lot of money just so we can see some serious graphical eye candy on a games platform that excells at giving out said eye candy, why should we be held back by stubborn lack lusted people who have no intention with keeping up with the times

Technology my friend is constantly moving the whole reason i love PC gaming is the fluidity in technology.





EVE needs to be on DX11, The game looks beautiful as it is, but it could look ducking spectacular.

Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...

wow lots of people need to realise that making a game DX11 compatible doesnt mean making it DX11 exclusive, tons of games have a DX11 and DX9 or 10 mode, NBD

Word of advice: Don't cheap out on the video card when building a gaming computer: I'd be looking at a GTX 670, which will cost me about $500 in Australia (perish the thought of a GTX680). Then you build the system around the video card: motherboard and case which will fit the card, memory and processor to fit the motherboard.

I gave up building my own computers when we had a LAN party over a 4 day long weekend and spent 2.5 days fixing broken Windows installs. In one case a computer was moved from one room of the house to the common area, and Windows took the opportunity to break the networking drivers and the mouse driver.

I have visited friends trying to convince me to buy a Windows 7 gaming computer. Between all the cables (OMG the cables: I've been using iMacs for 7 years, cables are just not something I want to deal with) and the endless cycle of upgrading Windows, then upgrading video drivers, then waiting for the virus scanner to let you use the computer, we spent an hour waiting for the computer to be ready for us to play a game. He convinced me alright, and that was before Windows restarted the computer in the middle of a game in order to install a "critical update". WTF?

No, I don't have time to futz around fixing things which shouldn't be broken. No, I don't enjoy spending my time watching the sales and computer fairs and special offers just to build a computer for $800 over six months rather than just buying it off the shelf for $2000. That is time better spent shopping for a new investment property or gardening.

Yes, I mad bro.

Don't get me wrong, I am a graphics programmer, I love everything new. But statistics show that only ~50% of the players run dx11-ready systems. So we don't want to shut them out for this

holy wall of texellation

Explain.. I can understand having to make two different sets as a lot of work, but one set is already in place.

for example Total War: Shogun II

is DX9 and DX11 compatible

Yes, mostly with their alts. Can't blame them...

I guess that's you saying "I'm willing to pay double monthly and play double hours to make up for the 50% we loose after upgrading". Nice offer mate!

Short: DX11 update means certain death for EVE.

Long:
4 reasons why I think that way:

1. Never change the target audience
When a player starts EVE he is told flat out that he will not be high end for years to come. You can not tell him at the same time "you will not be able to play after two years because we increase requirements faster then you upgrade". Killing 50% (or even 25%) of the player base because you're upgrading faster then they do, will send the wrong message and is clearly a change of target audience.
-- Example 1: SWG. They tried and they got hit big time. Didn't learn, tried again, failed again. And again.
-- Example 2: UO. They tried to create a 3D client and found out it was a bad idea for UO (and focused on 2D again and got a few more years that way). 3D fans where already playing other games.
--- Example 3: Maybe I could even mention OFP -> ARMA1 -> ARMA2. Every upgrade hurt the community big time and for somebody with extensive Mods it was only graphics upgrades anyway so it mirrors what would happen here.

2. Multiy accounting is wanted
So hardware requirements should always be as low as possible anyway for that one cheap additional graphics card or notebook.

3. Loosing "Alpha Players" kills games.
In games there are "Alpha Players". These guys run big Corps / Guilds / Clans and these guys create the "energy" for other people to play the game. These player are normally the oldest in the game. I don't mean the most active player. A powergamer playing on his own 10hours / day sitting and trading in Jita will not have an impact on ingame politics or the "energy" of other players. But somebody running a big corp and doing "the work" behind the scenes of the corp and making tohers do things, is meant.
Loosing a Guildleader normally has a big impact on a guild / clan / corp. I've seens guilds in other games disband after years of existence after the guildleader or any other "Alpha" left. The community "went dry on energy" and starved to death.
These player are most likely the oldest and that means they are more likely to have an old system. Maybe CCP is already checking in their database for the risk of loosing these players. Even if they would be the last 10% not capable of running DX 11, then it would be deadly to switch. Good thing in EVE is that they are easy and partly even automaticly spotable.

4. EVE has a big political network.
The people are used to the big corps running this sector, the others in that wormhole and some just play to hit their specific enemycorp in that other end of the galaxy. I have never seen a so politically connected game like EVE.
-- Example: Red without blue? yeah, sure.

Surely there must be an update on graphics or the game will die (like UO did) but never ever change the requirements before you are absolutely sure that you will not loose any important players. Create a second client or make the client capable of both. Give options to player and we will see what happens. But risking to loose 50% of players would be... well... not very intelligent.

But I just wrote this to finish my posting with my request for an Android client. Just for trading and skills would be fine... Can I has Android-Client? Pretty pretty pleeeease :).

you would have to maintain both until one was phased out.

so every change in one, would have to be mirrored as closely as possible in the other, and if one in the new required a feature not available in the old, you end up with a problem, which would be common enough that you may as well either not support the old, or dont make a new.

Very negative response there. First, I only really saw someone having issue with the transition from Mac to PC, and if you ever compared the two you would understand that. Mac is simple and easy to set up and apple handles the upgrades gracefully, where Microsoft hasn't been able to get a thing right in all the time I've handled their operating system and updates.

Would have been nice for you to give a little advice instead of treating the previous poster like an idiot. Anyone not familiar with Windows isn't going to be aware of all the disables on Microsoft automated nonsense that you have to do to make your system run the way you want it to.

First, disable updates. Allow download, but not install. Windows will drop you out of whatever you are doing, even if it corrupts an install or costs you hours of unsaved data. Your best bet is to set everything to manual as you come across it.

Virus scans do not have to be slow on an HDD. Mine take less than 5 minutes and I have no issue with running other programs at the same time. Do not use Norton. It is absolutely the biggest resource hog of all AV programs I have ever seen and it corrupt your data and destroys your Windows kernel over time as far as I can tell.

Get Malwarebytes AM. Simple, easy anti-malware program and reliable. Run it when you need to.

Mentioned nonsense about a cheap gpu being perfectly acceptable is nonsense. You can get a very good gpu for much less than suggested, but just tossing any poc in there and replacing it periodically is just a waste of money and will cause you no end of frustration as you deal with all the things it cannot handle.

A GTX 670 has more than 5 different varieties, (don't care to count), which vary from good to not so good. All have very similar specs however, and the quality is with respect to that product itself. The better of them however, will probably set you for the next 5-7 years at least. Contrary to sometimes popular belief, technology isn't going to suddenly triple in complexity in that time.

Whatever the case with all that, Windows is not 'easy' and Microsoft is a royal pain in the arse. Mac is much simpler, better quality overall than any retail PC. and built as a balanced, compatible piece of hardware.You can't go wrong with it, but it unfortunately doesn't support a lot of software available that you might want to use.

WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!

No worries, Win7 is slated to replace it. ..at least until they come up with something better. ..if they come up with something better.

I've been saying for a while that Windows 7 is the new XP. seems to be heading that way

Praytell, what exactly is Tesselation?

I hate stacked quoting; it's a pyramid quote the minute anyone tries to reply to it.

Even in setting up the OS, you have to pick and choose updates or run the risk of having your OS completely scrapped in the process. I have found it is best to leave security updates until last.

As for Norton, I've not had many viruses, but I have had my Kernel scrapped on more than a few occasions. This is either due to someone directly hacking my PC and attempting to bypass UAC and AV protocol, or it is a result of the AV. I do know, this does not happen unless an AV is present and running.

MAC uses Intel Xeon processors btw, and quite often high end ATi or Nvidia GPUs. I'd hardly consider that third rate hardware.

anyway, the point is, that if you check out any motherboard, aside from the extreme gamer hardware like EVGAs classified motherboards and various others, most of the parts of of somewhat generic quality. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Apples hardware.

you fail at reading.

My bad it was a $400 card that is fairly poor bang for the buck. You can get a 7950 for 100 bucks cheaper and get like 2 less FPS in most games.

EDIT : Do a moderate overclock and the 7950 will outdo the GTX 670 thanks to the faster and larger RAM.

Nothing wrong with the 7950, and you're right, it is ~$100 less right now. Some moderate changes in performance at various levels aside, they actually come close to the same overall performance spec wise. Never tested either though, and I haven't bothered to look up the 3d benchmarking on them.

Reference 670 is 2GB but you can get 4GB on it for not much more money, and with binned chips that have better than average performance.

the idea of collisions taking place between object models instead of bounding bubbles (they're called?) should have some damage implications, I think. as in, bumping is no longer "free" and inconsequential to the pilot performing the bump

Suddenly freighters would become anti super capital bombs and titans would become planet destroyers.

just imagine what would happen on jita undock when 100 frigates get caught by an inbound Charon coming out of warp?

CCP please just do the right thing and actually reward the people who want the game to progress graphically.

What ever happened to Tesselation?

CCP can,t ,not with EvE eventually,
To many alts using outdated gear.