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Pellefanten
Swedish Aerospace Inc
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2011.10.07 17:24:00 -
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Rifter Jaguar, wolf and Vagabond is the way to go! My advice is to train bottom up minnie (didnt do that myself). train frig to max (t2 fittings) first, then cruiser (t2) and so on!
Minnies do both shield and armor well |
Laak Virus
Advanced Development Projects
Star Council
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Posted - 2011.10.07 17:33:00 -
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A Caracal with assault launchers a couple large shield extenders, hardeners, and shield power relays or power diagnostic systems. this set up is great for l2s and u can tag along on l4s with a buddy with a stronger tank and not worry about some incoming fire not a light show |
Tas Nok
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.07 17:51:00 -
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Some good posts but like all of eve, this bit can be a bit messy and huge...
simple answers: if you are looking for complexity it will take too long to explain
PVE = missiles
PVP= projectiles or lazors, (avoid hybrids till they are fixed)
haulers stick with the Gallente line, itty 5 is just huge with rigs
miners (only 1 line so no choices)
If you CAN fly something it doesn't mean you should
(ie. if you can fly a battleship, wait until you have at least lvl 3 skills for EVERY single skill listed in its pre-reqs... NO minimum skills are NOT good enough)
the simple progressions are these:
missiles caldari
Kestrel-caracal-drake-raven
lazors amarr
punisher-coercer-omen-harby-apoc
projectiles minmatar
rifter-thrasher-stabber-hurricane-tempest
hybrids Gallente
catalyst-thorax-myrmadon-megathron
this list ignores lots of possibilities inc. caldari hybrid ships, amarr drone and lazor ships, minmatar missile ships and gallente drone ships ... by the time you can fly the Battlecruiser of whichever race, you should have a clue via missions or pvp of whatever interests you... and by then you'll have discovered the T2 ships :P |
Obsidiana
White-Noise
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Posted - 2011.10.07 18:11:00 -
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Kestrel -> Caracal -> Drake -> Raven -> Navy Raven
From there, get into the T2 ship of your choice: Cerberus, Nighthawk, Tengu, Golem.
Any of these ships are great solo PvE ships. For PvP, several are good damage assist ships for small gangs.
Personally, I'm a fan of the Navy Raven, but the more you fly the more interesting the game is.
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Acki Juc
0utbreak
Outbreak.
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Posted - 2011.10.07 18:17:00 -
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Two step wrote:Bhaalgorns are clearly the best. Noobs should be shooting for flying one of them... :)
Yes, the bhaalgorn is clearly the most OP faction bs out there, but not many new pilots will be able to afford this. I highly suggest the following for 'solo' work:
Frigate: Rifter
Cruiser: Thorax/Rupture
Battlecruiser: Drake/Hurricane
As you start to learn how the mechanics of the game work, move yourself from Caldari/Minmatar to Gallente/Amarr ships as a general rule of thumb (except the mach, you can always rely on the mach for exceptional fun).  |
Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
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Posted - 2011.10.07 18:26:00 -
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Well, it's kind of hard to answer. If you like to fire Missiles, the only real option is Kestrel > Hawk > Caracal > Drake, and once you get good skills, the Raven (because it's a tank-breaker, not a tanker). If you on the other hand like to just fire regular guns, go for the Rifter > Thrasher > Rupture > Hurricane/Cyclone > Tempest/Maelstrom.
And when you reach a BC and haven't decided yet what you prefer, go for the Myrmidon/Drake/Hurricane or whichever of the Amarr ones is best (I've never flown an Amarr ship, so don't ask me about those). |
dent308
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.07 18:39:00 -
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Maelstrom for civic duty / saving the universe.
Personally training toward a perfectly skilled Tornado. |
Sobic
Sturmgrenadier Inc
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.10.07 18:40:00 -
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Battlecruisers...
Oh yeah and a Tornado would be nice as well.  |
dent308
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.07 18:44:00 -
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Should probably train up more armor / laser boat like our esteemed neighbours to the south. |
Kinroi Alari
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.10.07 18:56:00 -
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Mining:
I recommend quickly skilling up to the Caldari Osprey cruiser, then the mining barges.
Mission running:
Again, I like to recommend Caldari ships (though I also loved my Gallente Incursus frigate); this is because you can focus on missile skills and later drone skills for offensive firepower, and passive shield skills for defense. That kind of concentration scales quickly.
* Kestrel frigate (learn standard missiles) for level 1 missions;
* Merlin frigate (learn railguns and standard missiles) for level 1 missions;
* Cormorant destroyer (learn railguns and standard missiles) for level 1 missions;
* Caracal cruiser (learn heavy missiles and passive shield skills) for level 2 missions;
* Drake battlecruiser (learn drones, heavy missiles and passive shield skills) for level 3 missions and some level 4s;
* Gila pirate faction cruiser (learn drones, heavy missiles and passive shield skills) for level 4 missions; or
* Rattlesnake pirate faction battleship (learn drones, cruise missiles and passive shield skills) for level 4 missions.
PVP:
Frigates frigates frigates!
They're cheap, cost and combat effective, and always needed for scouting and tackling.
And new players can replace clones hellacheap compared to high skillpoint veterans!
But then my favorite ship, which I still sometimes fly for grins after so many years, is a Gallente Velator rookieship:
* Two Warrior II light scout drones;
* Micro Auxiliary Power Core I;
* Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters (1 MN MWD) or Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters (1 MN AB);
* 150mm Railgun II (or a named 150mm Railgun);
* Auto Targeting System I (don't turn it on -- even off it lets you add two more targets, for four total).
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Kinroi Alari
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.10.07 18:58:00 -
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Anshio Tamark wrote:Well, it's kind of hard to answer. If you like to fire Missiles, the only real option is Kestrel > Hawk > Caracal > Drake, and once you get good skills, the Raven (because it's a tank-breaker, not a tanker). If you on the other hand like to just fire regular guns, go for the Rifter > Thrasher > Rupture > Hurricane/Cyclone > Tempest/Maelstrom.
And when you reach a BC and haven't decided yet what you prefer, go for the Myrmidon/Drake/Hurricane or whichever of the Amarr ones is best (I've never flown an Amarr ship, so don't ask me about those).
Good advice, esp. on the guns.
I do love me Rifters and Thrashers.
My fav Amarr ship is the Arbitrator (and Curse and Pilgrim), but that's because of the 150m3 drone bay! ^_^
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Dalton Vanadis
Miranda United
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2011.10.07 19:02:00 -
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Tengu is awesome! Great tank, awesome DPS (for the tank), and makes back the investment in no time. It will make every other ship except a carrier seem as flimsy as a paper boat on water.
otherwise, a drake is pretty awesome and worked for me for nearly a year from noob to nullsec just because of it's versatility, the benefits of missiles in PvE and a strong tank to protect my noobie ass. |
Justin Cody
T.A.L.O.N. Company
B4D W01F
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Posted - 2011.10.07 19:05:00 -
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I would say that this depends on the player's style.
For those that want to play the tackle role very well I would say that Interceptors are the primary choice followed by electronic attack frigates like the Keres.
For those that want to play heavy tackle or do some anti-drone warfare assault frigates are durable and reasonably quick with excellent damage potential.
And for those that want to learn more subtle things such as scouting and probing...covert ops frigates are excellent including the stealth bombers. Bombers can also fill the role of anti-BS/BC with their torpedoes and excellent range. Please try not to use them as tackle if you can help it. You will get neuted...droned, or smart-bombed out of your ship with little recourse.
As you advance in any of those roles you will get to HAC's, AF's and Command ships and eventually black ops BS's like the Widow or Panther.
My best advice after nearly eight years of EVE is to specialize. I made a lot of mistakes starting out and my skill-points suffered for it. Specialize and use implants if you can afford them and try to train whole sets of skills and re-spec your skill points each year to take advantage of your new goals. The ships will come...people have already built them ;) |
Ager Agemo
whips chains and ballgags
Care Factor
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Posted - 2011.10.07 19:20:00 -
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The USS Enterprise J |
Cunane Jeran
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Posted - 2011.10.07 19:21:00 -
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Minmatar - Rifter hands down, speedy cheap and a whole ton of fun, in PvE or PvP
Gallente - Imicus for PvE, get use those those drones, you'll be using them often, tough lil nut and cheap
- Incursus for PvP, strap on those blasters and just go for it.
Amarr - Punisher is a tough nut to crack, if your looking at PvP fit some autocannons to really make it shine
Caldari - The Kestrel, 4 launchers boom boom boom boom. What's not to like? |
Jace Errata
Cobalt Valkyrie Industries
The Ambivalent
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Posted - 2011.10.07 19:33:00 -
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I'd recommend...
Frigate: Rifter. Fast, versatile, cheap, and easy to fit.
Destroyer: Thrasher. I haven't flown Thrashers (mine is a Cormorant) but apparently projectiles are the current Good Thing.
Cruiser: Blackbird. Decent range, heavy ECM capability, and the midslots for a good shield tank (providing you don't mind losing the ECM)
Battlecruiser: Toss-up between Hurricane and Drake. 'Cane has speed, instant-DPS, and style, while the Drake has longer range, better anti-frigate capabilities, and lacks the OMG-too-many-red-bars-PANIC effect of armour tanking.
I haven't flown any battleships yet, but I hear the Scorpion is good for PvP, and the Raven is good for missions. |
Louis deGuerre
Malevolence.
Void Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.07 19:54:00 -
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Drone boats ! Pretend you're already flying that carrier ! 
Vexor->Myrmidon->Dominix
If you like little fighters to command you can not go wrong.
The Vexor is the best T1 non-faction drone boat hands down,
The Myrmidon is one of the best and most versatile ships in the game. Armour tank it, Shield Tank, Hell, fit triple reppers on it, whatever is your game, this baby will DELIVER.
The Dominix can be insanely effective in small scale PVP.
Drones will keep shooting even if jammed in PVE.
You'll need to train drone skills anyway if you want to fly anything bigger than a cruiser.
To top it off, you can pretend you're Nimitz or Yamamoto crushing your feeble enemies !
FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
Morrodenya
Biotronic Solutions and Engineering
The Bohemians
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Posted - 2011.10.07 20:03:00 -
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For pve my personal long time favourite has been drake. Why? With low skills and low cash its able to do any lvl 3 without too much hassle ... once you get good skills and good fitting you can use it to do lvl 4 with it even. In fact a very well fitted drake is able to get an awesome tank combined with decent dps. After you fly drake for a while you have to choose go BS or specialize in T2/T3 smaller ships. In that case i would go or Nighthawk or Tengu (nighthawk is cheaper, Tengu is just AWEsome but comes at a price) and forget about Battleship ... of course that is my opinion and many might disagree |
Alsione Ailermane
Crimson Empire.
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.10.07 20:10:00 -
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For me, I worked my way to the Apoc and Abaddon, though a large amount of my time was in battlecruisers. As such, decide what you want to fly eventually and fly a corresponding battlecruiser.
IE: You want to fly a missile boat, go for a Drake. Lasers? Hit up a Prophecy. |
Vanessa Vansen
Cybermana
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Posted - 2011.10.07 20:19:00 -
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For Mining ...
Mining Frigate -> Mining Cruiser (if available) -> Retriever -> Hulk -> Orca (Rorqual)
Hulk will give the best yield you can have and an Orca is an extraordinary hauler.
In other words, don't care too much about the racial industrials for hauling.
For PVE
Gallente: Vexor -> Dominix
Caldari: Drake -> Tengu
Just keep two things in mind ...
1) Only fly what you can afford to lose
2) Being able to fly something does not mean, that you're good at flying it,
i.e. don't forget about the relevant skill (mining crystals or missile specialization and so on) |
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tinman44
Reloaded.
Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.07 20:39:00 -
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dent308 wrote:Should probably train up more armor / laser boat like our esteemed neighbours to the south.
Lasers aren't dangerous, if you wear Sunglasses like me.
xo |
Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
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Posted - 2011.10.07 20:39:00 -
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as a lemming I have to say ANY rookieship is fine 
and if you want something REALLY bigger go get a Rifter
Next lemmings leap will be saturday 15th october,
tune into to eve radio @ 15.00 eve time (GMT)
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Komen
Capital Enrichment Services
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Posted - 2011.10.07 20:40:00 -
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Almost impossible to answer. I fly ships I don't even care much for, because of the role each ship performs. (Helios, you ugly chunk of Gallente aesthetic, I'm talking about you. Also Dominix).
What to shoot for initially as a new pilot? Something that will earn you money - Tier 1 or Tier 2 battlecruiser.
Frigates for fast travel. Don't expect them to stand up in a fight.
Can't say I really recommend T1 cruisers at all. Too light in hit points, not fast enough, not enough slots, not enough bonuses. All they are, so far as I can see, is stepping stones to better faster moar T2 variants, and to battlecruisers. They're cheap...that's about their only advantage.
Battleships - can't ignore the heavy duty firepower they bring, nor the incredible tank. Lot of training, though, to use 'em properly. And they are just NOT GOOD against small targets.
Tech 3 - look. You can be sitting in one with not much training. To properly fly one, don't even THINK about it until you've got a lot of support skills maxed. Yes really, I mean level 5 skill training.
PvP-wise - again, match role to ship that is bonused for it. There is almost never a good side to fitting against type, yet I see soooooo many people doing it.
That's about all the actual useful advice I can bother to put in. Have fun, and happy hunting.
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Bountyhunter Bob
Bespin Mining Guild
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Posted - 2011.10.07 20:51:00 -
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I have to say go straight for a Drake, great shield tanking abilities and 7 heavy missile slots packs a punch |
Kenrailae
Loki's Marauders
Dragoons.
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Posted - 2011.10.07 21:14:00 -
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Myrmidon or Drake.
Drake's passive shields are just about insta win in PVE when fit right, so great for isk. And when it's actually fit for damage, a PVP fit drake is a formidable ship too. But the down side is those two fits are pretty specific in how they need to be done to succeed.
The Myrmidon, however, can be fit in so many different ways and still be effective it's almost not funny. Passive Shield, Active Armor, Active Shield, Armor Buffer, blasters, artillery, autocannons, turret DPS, drone DPS.... there are so many fitting options it really gives a new capsuleer, or even an old one looking to play around with new ideas to him or her, the flexibility of trying things without having to learn a whole new skill set of ships. Plus the drone bay is good sized compared to everything else in use now.
Like has been stressed above though, depending on what function you want, there are different ships. But in general, battle cruisers are the best place to train to first, because they ARE so flexible in what they can do. |
rajaniemi
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC.
Rura-Penthe
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Posted - 2011.10.07 21:25:00 -
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Frigates are the most fun to fly. Find a PvP club like faction warfare or Red vs. Blue and go fly Merlins and Rifters.
I'm slightly surprised at seeing so many Kestrel postings. I do love kestrels, but they're paper thin and not nimble enough. Rifters are an obvious choice for being hard-hitting and versatile, but for my own crazy reasons, I love a Merlin better.
A less obvious choice is the Vigil with a light missile launcher, MWD, drone and artillery. It will take some careful flying and you can't usually get solo kills, but you can usually:
a) get someone to engage you or force an engagement (because you're wicked, wicked fast!)
b) tackle and speed tank long enough for fleet mates to finish the job
c) decide when and where to disengage
Speed is life for a frigate pilot. Vigil has almost all the speed of the Slasher and enough slots to make it slightly better. It's not on the same tier as interceptors but for new pilots, it's great preparation. |
Ntrails
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.07 21:36:00 -
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titans are OP, get one now. Goons are firesaling supers at the moment btw hth |
Taawuz
League of Non-Aligned Worlds
Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.10.07 21:57:00 -
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Hurricane, it has no equal.
Shield or armor tank, close range or arty alpha, pve or pvp - It does it all.
Or if you're new, Get a drake.
They last a lifetime.
(And hit like a wet noodle) |
Mousserande
Scarecrows of Pompous Intentions
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Posted - 2011.10.07 22:07:00 -
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I-¦d go somekind of good frig, merlin, rifter, punisher or tristan first. From there I-¦d go for a bomber, because they are made of win realy. Then something sturdy like a BC. From there either crosstrain or go BS =) |
Isar Cloud
RSF Phoenix
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.07 22:09:00 -
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the best ship in EVE is FriendSHIP, seriously, find some friends helps over losses and increases your chances for wins.
personally, i took the classical PvE way: first weeks cormorant and caracal, then drake...wanted a battleship so badly, flied raven, after some time disapointed with its performance and tankability I downgraded to the drake again (better performance, heavy missles require less skill time and hit small targets better) and finally got the tengu (the most effective pve ship, regarding the spend SP - delivers nearly max performance and dps with about 7m Sp)
so when u aim to do pve and want an isk maschine, aim for it.
when u are lazy and tend to surf the net or chat while in space i can reccomend the gila, or rattlesnake as an upgrade
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