So according to you he said he can undock and find a fight right away, and then he said he can't find a fight without going 30 jumps.
Make up your mind already.

Okay, let's just arbitrarily pick an amount of time it should take, since you're obviously not going to be happy until everything fits with your preconceived notion of how things should be.

i am sure ifyou actually had to jump 40+ jumps to find a real fight with out Titan brdiges and stuff 0.0 would be alot more intersting...

- Ahm i moved few times from vale to Omist. And took for my ex Corp (with no so good experience) about not even 30 mins to get there with all our stuff. (5 bridges)

- Even if the Timer is 30 mins they d be in time. Keeping that assets that easy should be a at least a bit of a hassle.

- I live in lowsec for already 1 year and we did those 3 jumps billion of times cos of our nomad style of life, and guess what, it takes 5-10 mins.

lol

i am sure ifyou actually had to jump 40+ jumps to find a real fight with out Titan brdiges and stuff 0.0 would be alot more intersting...

Actually, null was a lot more fun in many ways before the Titan bridge.

I still have fond memories of long frieghter escorts before all these bridges and jump capable frieghters.
Some very interesting and exciting times.

Let's take a really southern system in Vale, a northern system in Omist, and see how many titan bridges it takes to go from one to the other, assuming the titan pilot has JDC 5.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump/Avatar,554/C-J7CR:9MWZ-B
Oh look, 10 jumps.
Something tells me you're either exaggerating or fabricating.


So maybe your quarrel has more to do with reinforcement timers than force projection?


Yeah, okay.

Actually, null was a lot more fun in many ways before the Titan bridge.

I still have fond memories of long frieghter escorts before all these bridges and jump capable frieghters.
Some very interesting and exciting times.

- Might be but it was still less than 30 mins :D
- Nah it is about force projection. Timers are just fine.
- See, too easy.

Also Nullsec alliances keeping moon all around lowsec, why? because they can defend it whenever they want without any big hassle.

Funny thing.

More poeple are playing EVE now, and more people are playing in null.

The game you guys keep asking for, was one that very few people wanted to play.

Jeez, I wonder if that's a coinsidence.

I'm sure it's nothing to do with capital production. Nah, can't be.

- Might be but it was still less than 30 mins :D

- Nah it is about force projection. Timers are just fine.

Also Nullsec alliances keeping moon all around lowsec, why? because they can defend it whenever they want without any big hassle.

It must be those who have never experinced null at a time before Titans, JBs, and JFs doen't know what they are missing.
Of course to each their own. You may have and just didn't like it, but many long time players,

It must be those who have never experinced null at a time before Titans, JBs, and JFs doen't know what they are missing.
Of course to each their own. You may have and just didn't like it, but many long time players, including myself, miss those times.

I was a lot funner, and fights came rather easy. Yes, there were plenty of fights before jump drivers and jump bridges.

That's understandable.

Some people liked EQ2 as it was when it first released, but devlopers can't really think about those people and still make a living. Sometimes things need to be improved for the greater good, and since there are far more poeple playing today than was even when I started in '05, I'm going to go with the idea that more poeple like EVE this way then they did in '03.

Hell, my brother thinks atari and nintendo was the good old days of gaming. I don't agree with him either.

That could be slowed down too, yep.

Less than 3 minutes per jump? Damn, your corp must have been incredibly well organized. Either that or you're pulling convenient numbers out of your ass to suit your argument. Seeing as you were wrong about the distance by a factor of two, I find it rather likely you were wrong about the time required by roughly the same amount.


So you think that we should be incapable of moving fleets several titan bridges in the amount of time it takes for a reinforcement timer to run down?
Because that's completely absurd.


Even if it took a fleet of supercaps 5 hours to move across New Eden it wouldn't be a big hassle because reinforcement timers are so much longer than that.

It can be, find the PoS's and ******* blow them up.

Same goes for supers and titans in null. Find them, and then blow up the PoS's.


Why should CCP do the job for you?

Firstly, nullsec has the most fights of any class of sec space.

I think you may be assuming too much.

They want fights, but I think it has come to the point over that last several years where Power Projection is actually stifling what null sec could be, and is actually preventing fights in the long run.

I know it is hard for you to see this. But many have felt the same, for many years now.

LoL u are funny.

I hear that a lot.

Oh god is another popular phrase I hear as well.
I'll use my better judment and not end that with a mom joke.

Please explain why you think I'm to stupid to understand what proliferation means?

I even put it in a sentence properly for you.

Why I would like to believe it is so, it's not, statistically, hisec has the highest numbers of ships killed during the past few years (that's from dotlan statistics), but.. there's a "but" though...

I didn't think so at first, but your previous posts convinced me that you either 1. did not understand what it meant or 2. did not agree that it existed in EVE. You after all were asking for "proof of proliferation" and expecting the Op to count all of the titans in nullsec. I simply called you out on it.


Clear enough?

I said fights. Not tutorial kills.

The OP is impling that titans have been overproliferated, IE; there are to many of them.

And "Over" is that opinion I was talking about. An amount of titans and supers needed to create super + titan heavy fleets far exceeds the amount needed to function at the head of a far more diverse fleet as an "all but stand alone super ship". The amount of supers and titans that exist in game now far exceed the needs of opinion 2 in terms of fleet functioning and fleet structure.



No one opinion is superior to the other (as I had stated)
Both can work and both are valid. They are just two ideas of how Eve can be.




This is all I have been saying this entire time. But i do enjoy watching you pedal back and forth as you try to get ahead in a debate. What would these forums be without people like you to play with.