Some people seem to have this absurd idea that "gorilla warfare" can be coded into a video game and work.
Null sec is cuba and you want to be Castro and Che?

When I see some people rage against suggestions on the forums like I see here!!! Man!!....some people`s RL must really suck to spend all that time "fighting" on how a computer game should be working.

Get a fracken life!!!

Nah, I am instead going to nitpick on your comment regarding "games are supposed to be fun". Cause judging from your stance, you're probably having quite a lot of fun with the current EVE, no? Then what about those who are outside the fence with no way of coming in? I mean, there is a reason for why there is this huge discussion about blobs and power projections and whatnot else, right?

Cause, you know, isn't part of the fun also about everyone being able to participate without forcing them into a blob? Fun and fairness (from a game rule/game mechanical perspective obviously, not from EVE metagame perspective) kinda does go hand in hand.

The goal is NOT to have small groups be equal in power as the blobs, like some of you keep insisting of bringing up for whatever stupid reason, let alone give small groups the ability to hold and defend half the galaxy by themselves.

"Gorilla warfare" worked for those guys as long as population (those guys both sides don't normally shoot and who provide important supplies and shelter) was on their side. When Che attempted to proceed with the same thing far outside Cuba he met language barrier that made his rhetoric unable to sway locals to his side and without support he was nabbed and executed in short order. True story, even though I don't remember details and I'm too lazy to google.
EVE doesn't have anything fitting criteria for "local population" in a sense I've outlined, locals thend to be more integral part of factions opposed to each other (in a "gorilla war" scenario) instead.

And actually, alliances don't have to project power that much. Guys from NPC null, low and WHs sometimes enter sow null in noticeable numbers, but they don't get to be hotdropped by titans. Locals usually more than capable of offering symmetrical response. Of course you can, via some CCP ex machina, slow down large groups and thus block ability for them to make focused strikes. Chances are that their territory will be picked apart a bit while they are adapting, but it still will be the same amount of players in the alliance against same composition of intruders and I doubt that the winner will change because of that.
If somehow small groups will be able to travel fast and unburdened while remaining effective (BlackOps carriers, whatever you can come up with) while traditional power projection is cut, then large alliances will reorganize into smaller entities, but still with centralized command, in timely manner. They will still be able to use whatever tools small group may have, while retaining numbers.
You can argue that long-range projection, if cut, will be unable to help to deal with concentrated attacks from many directions, but that effectively means that an alliance attacked by even larger group... And last time I checked those alliances everyone complain about don't have any huge evil empire casting shadow over their territories (pun not intended, but fun).
The only thing that may happen is that some will gain some determination with such a change, but it's not that they can't commit to action today if they wish. In the end it's just not worth it. Why would you call for crusade when regular players (ones that are soilders in these wars) don't care for midnight alarm gameplay or whatever you will need to change something radically in null, and they already have a lot of what people expect from null: enter you CQ sometimes, sov pew is all over the place; or check KBs for that matter; other activities are also in place. So in the end most of people will probably just leave "rabble-rouser" corps/alliance and join different "sov blobs". It's just convenient. AFAIK Reds were like that, managing to do something from time to time by commiting really hard, but people were burning out quickly and they went into decline every time. Then there were assets issues, but that's another story... In the end they reformed, the rest is history.

Oh, and you don't have to tavel for 40 jumps in your possibly slow ships though bubbled (and then left alone) gates just to maybe see some action...

null is for killing and building... diplomacy just happened to be emergin gameplay...

CCP created an area of EVE where people not intersted in playing within a much larger group, and who would prefer PvP geared around smaller engagements.

It's called low sec.

Don't want to be a part of a blob, or work with a large alliance.
Go to low sec. It's why it exists.

Null sec is for empire building.
And there are lots and lots of small groups in null who undertand that if you want to survive in null you HAVE TO make friends.

As long as people can work together, large groups will from from smaller ones. As long as large groups can form, they will have an advantage over smaller ones. It is impossible to develop an area of the game that allows both large and small groups to thrive, without the need to work together.



You guys remind me of the myth of cold fusion.
Everything in nature says that in order for fusion to happen you need to compress a large amount of gas into a dense ball and have it erupt, at which piont it is hot.

Yet, some scientist still cling to the idea that you can create fusion by doing the exact opposite of anything ever observed in the universe.


Some of you guys seem to think that CCP can code against human nature. That they can inject a mechanic that negates any benefit that is gained by working together.

There is no mechanic that CCP can code that would ever allow a small group to claim space in null, and not have to work with the people around them.

Diplomacy can not be coded against or balanced by any mechanic.
High sec for your PvE
Low sec for your PvP
Null for diplomacy.

EVE in a nutshell.

Go to low for your small gang stuff, or roam null sec (people do that you know). Come to null and HELP build an empire.

Goonwaffe didn't build an empire alone, why do you guys think you should?

That article was fear mongering bull **** under the veil of wanting to protect the little guy.

You know, you claim that empires are meant to be built by people, right? You conveniently leave out the part which states that they are to be destroyed by people as well. For a sandbox, EVE certainly come with very, very, very few options on how to do that right now. And after all this time discussing this issue, I can safely bet my money that there are a lot of you out there who are bat-crap scared of the thought of any changes that would allow people to easier wreck empires and forcing you to leave that nice bubble of comfort that you have created.

*edit* - sentence came out rather incorrectly

You posted in the wrong thread.
You also haven't posted any reasonable suggestions of your own.

It's all good. If we are going to have two threads on the same subject, I have no issues with posting here too.

There's not a problem with that, although the article you were addressing was the topic of the other thread.

Yeah because both threads will totally not be about the same subject resulting in the same posts. lol

Empire Builder

I lead my alliance to conquest and control over territory in the outer regions
-+I am the leader of an alliance of capsuleers in nullsec
-+My alliance has fought for control of territory in the outer regions against other capsuleer alliances
-+In the territory under our control we have built outposts and other facilities
-+As alliance leader, I forge deals with allies and demand tribute from vassals
-+Economics, politics and espionage are as important to me as military power

That is from:
http://www.eveonline.com/sandbox/empire-builder/

CCP says you're wrong.

I don't even know why people are still crying about the floating loot pinata's that we call supercaps.

interesting but when an empire get too big it usually dies... (rome/England/Mongolia/japan/America) but as the way force projection works... you can defend all your borders...

this does not go well with history...

BoB

this does not go well with history...

Because waiting longer to do stuff is always more fun? wtf.

You guys really think that making hundreds of people sit around, even longer then they already do, just to get into the thick of things is "better".

I'm glad you guys aren't the devs. Your game would be ****.

Than maybe u wont have 90% of nullsec blue.
Than maybe some more roams would happen instead of sitting on Titans for whole nights.

so the answer to op force projection is Hargooth?

We have plenty of roams and we don't have 90% of nullsec blue. I doubt we even have the majority of null entities blue.
Try again.

Mate u can lie to the public, but pls, pls dont lie to yourself.