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the same logic should be applied to SoV, want to control half of null? sure, no problem., that'll be 45.8 quadrillion isk per month.

SuperCapital and Force projection is way too easy in EvE. As it stands you can hotdrop 40 Titians and 40 SC with a full subcap force with just one cyno.

My Proposal is to give mass limits on CynoGÇÖs and Titan Jump Bridges to limit the ability to easily hot drop ship across the EVE Universe.

The idea is if you want to move more then 8 Titans or 10ish Super Carriers you will need to have more then one active Cyno.

A regular Cyno will now have a mass limit of around 20 billion kg.

Also if you want to Bridge your fleet you will need more then one Titan (Titan JB mass limit is independent from Cyno Mass limit)

Titan JB will now be a two way Worm Hole that has a mass limit of 10 billion kg which is ruff around 50ish battleships.

Hopefully if balanced correctly this will make it much harder to move mega fleets around and will allow for more flavor when doing fleet ops.

I am not sure if this should also include covert cynos this is up to debate.

Also an idea for cap ships is having an independent spool up time for Jump Drives that way you cant just use ET and cap rechargers to move cap fleets fast.

Also Now fow a titan to use its Bridge it needs to be sitting outside the pos shield.

TLDR:
Cyno now has a mass limit of 20 billion kg (just over 8 Titans or 10 super carriers)
Titan Jump Bridge now works as a two way Worm Hole that has a mass limit of 10 billion kg (about 50ish Battleships)
Jump Drives now have an independent spool up time to activate (time is 10 min with a new skill that can reduce to 5 min at lev V) Also if a titan wants to activate the Bridge it needs to be sitting outside the pos shield.

I am not saying get rid of force projecttion at all... 50 bs of mass is pretty large... I am saying if you want to jump 300 bs you need 6 titans to do so...

Which means 6 titans sitting outside a pos is an tempting target to counter hotdrop...

Crying and asking for things to get nerfed wont change that. We'll still drop right in on your cap group.

If I recall every ship that jumps consumes fuel based on the mass of the ship. So there is a limit based on fuel availability.

And just bridging in doesn't guarantee victory. Yesterday we dropped on a SOLAR alpha mael gang with an AHAC gang, but we had to run because they managed to pop our cyno pilgrim before we all bridged, causing only 4 ships to bridge to the cyno (they died fast) and the rest of us to be scattered around and warping in at bizarre angles thanks to bubbles. I was in an Oneiros, and once me and the other logis were on grid we were holding reps, but we lost a good chunk of our DPS so the FC had us leave. We managed to save over half the fleet, but it is a great example of how one thing going wrong can ruin the plan.

As I said bridging is fine.

Maybe because it helps to facilitate large scale warfare across the ******* map, without the tedious need to travel 50 jumps, or to build a hundre of the damn things.

The mechanics are working as intended, it's your expectations that are wrong.

great story.

now i see why you need unlimited cyno bridge (hint: you can park hauler close to titan and refuel it when need) and safety of bridge from under POS shields.

Ridiculous notion, but your join date pretty much explains a lot.

Just to clue you in there used to be large scale warfare even in the early days. Guess what there were no titan bridges then.

People didn't have to do 50 jump to get large scale warfare either, for reasons such as:

1) They had enemies closer.

2) It was large scale warfare... you didn't undock from your HQ and travel to the enemies HQ every day, unless you are a ******. There are concepts known as preparation... logistics... bringing stuff to a staging system and operating from there.

"Mechanics working as intended" isn't the issue. It's the effect mechanics have on the game.

TLDR:
Cyno now has a mass limit of 20 billion kg (just over 8 Titans or 10 super carriers)
Titan Jump Bridge now works as a two way Worm Hole that has a mass limit of 10 billion kg (about 50ish Battleships)
Jump Drives now have an independent spool up time to activate (time is 10 min with a new skill that can reduce to 5 min at lev V) Also if a titan wants to activate the Bridge it needs to be sitting outside the pos shield.

You're just incentivizing "blobbing" because now you need to have at least 4-5 titans active, a ton of entrance cynos, and supercap hegemony to protect your titan and do a fleet. Or you can spend hours jumping through gates, losing 5-10 people each time you jump from desyncs and lag, only to get hotdropped by someone who does have these things. That doesn't sound fun.

Limiting cyno mass on jumps doesn't really solve anything, you can just daisy chain cynos in with the capitals you are dropping. And again, only those who have a distinct advantage would be using cynos. A few extra immobile carriers don't matter if you have 40 SCs and 40 Titans.

There is no issue with force projection, nullsec is already "small" because there are very few entities participating. You shouldn't have to jump halfway across the map for a good fight, there should already be one on your doorstep. Force projection nerfs just make it more difficult for people to get fights, probably the biggest reason why people still live in nullsec.

show us on the sov map doll where the big bad goon touched you...

You guys keep ignoring the part where CCP WANTS US TO.

Why is this hard to accept? CCP wants us to be able to move 40 jumps easily, so we WILL go that far for a fight. It's like you guys are are ignoring this or pretending as if it's not intended.

And that should be preserved. But dropping on "our" caps dozens jump away in less than 10 mins is just broken.
Most of Alliances/corp have the 5 minutes rule. If u cannot nuke smth in 5 mins, bale out, cos u ll get a drop 100%.

BSs are almost not flown (except in 0.0), coz of the Dread threat. And if it escalates to caps, u get supers on head by a third, forth...party.

If ppl knew that only neighbours, visitors can filed instantly capitals and non present parties in a decent time (let say 30-60 mins). There would be much more risking, fights and cap kills, but this time from smaller entities.

Whole lowsec, WH and most of Nullsec Alliances dont have such a projection capabilities. Those few that have are fully exploiting that broken mechanics. Why the rest of EVE should bow to the minority?

Are you suggesting that most all of null sec is a living zones where people frequent often, make isk in often, live in and there are more then 1-2 or a small handful of people within at any given time (if that?)


Just to be clear so I can be "certain" of what you are saying before I slap some dotlan in your face. Let's just be clear in order to avoid more "communication issues" in this thread shall we?

You guys don't find that an armada of ships is able to travel from one side of the galaxy to the other in fifteen minutes amazing and health for the game?

Natsett, I agree with you for the most part in this thread until this. The part I can't accept or need rather, to call foul, is whenever I mention CCP has designed it "that way so it must be right" I get stripped and flayed by your alliance or other forum warriors. Now maybe my forum pvp isn't good enough to handle it, but I still think a stance needs to be taken.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression Goons were meant to show everything wrong with CCP and how they could make it better? I understand this could be in relation to other topics and facets, but when you talk about a game designer, it has to hold across the board. And I don't necessarily mean game mechanics, but game design (I'm sure you already know the other arguments from other topics, not trying to derail).

In short, I think there needs to be acceptance if CCP is right, or a drive if CCP is wrong. But using both for arguments sake leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I'm sure others will see this as homogenizing the argument instead of trying to improve things.

At any rate, keep up the good fight!

Ridiculous notion, but your join date pretty much explains a lot.

Just to clue you in there used to be large scale warfare even in the early days. Guess what there were no titan bridges then.

People didn't have to do 50 jump to get large scale warfare either, for reasons such as:

1) They had enemies closer.

2) It was large scale warfare... you didn't undock from your HQ and travel to the enemies HQ every day, unless you are a ******. There are concepts known as preparation... logistics... bringing stuff to a staging system and operating from there.

"Mechanics working as intended" isn't the issue. It's the effect mechanics have on the game.

My join date is '05 smart guy.

This isn't my first character.

Try again.

Would it be better I posted with this guy?

Look at what is happening with IRC.
All I see are people crying about being "blobbed" out of null. Because they could only call up 3k people, the other guy could call up 30k, and some people have this stupid expectation that it's "not fair" that youc an bring more to the table then they can handle.

I haven't seen that at all. I thought they were handling it rather gracefully.
In fact they could have sent us a big **** you and forced us to grind away all of their structures but they've instead decided to start transferring the rest of it to us.

Fifteen minutes, lol.

I can get from stain to syndicate in 30 min with just me and cyno alts... So I dunno if you had et a all cyno alts setup same time you could do it in theory in that amount of time...

But if there a cool down time of like
10 min this could take over an hour...

I can get from stain to syndicate in 30 min with just me and cyno alts... So I dunno if you had et a all cyno alts setup same time you could do it in theory in that amount of time...

But if there a cool down time of like
10 min this could take over an hour...