You guys keep ignoring the part where CCP WANTS US TO.

You guys keep ignoring the part where CCP WANTS US TO.

ok you guys really dont like the mass limit on cynos (well atleast the cfc peeps dont)

i have yet to read non cfc people complain about the idea (but the one guy posting with his alt sounds like he could be former bob)

but what about a spool up time for jump drives? (that way you cant et or cap recharge your way across the universe)

or do you think you should get from one side of teh universe to the other in under 30 min... ( i myself with my alts can get from stain to syndicate really fast in my thanny its just a matter of how fast i can cap up)

or titans having to be outside of a pos for the bridge to work?

those two ideas must seem reasonable...

the reason why i said mass limts for cyno's is to try to make some sort of restrictions for larger pvp... like you see in WH space... but for capital projection and fleet projection...

if it just ends up being a hassle thats cool... its just a suggestion. ( i know with Tidi and stuff like that that CCP markets Blobs and tahts cool with me)

I'm just looking for ways to spice things up...you know?

but like someone said earlier in the thread they had thier cyno char pop before everyone could jump which lead to them loosing the fight...

this sounds like a good thing and if there had to be multiple cynoes it would make it more interesting. (as from an outside perspective it should take mass amount of coordination to move massive fleets around... though some would argue this already takes place and its more then a resonable argument)

I think you may be assuming too much.

They want fights, but I think it has come to the point over that last several years where Power Projection is actually stifling what null sec could be, and is actually preventing fights in the long run.

I know it is hard for you to see this. But many have felt the same, for many years now.

Same old argument and counter argument.

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I thought there was a spool up time for certian jump drives?

Titans outside a PoS sounds fine.


I don't think you made a particular conection though. It's not that we don't like the idea of improving things, we don't like the idea of nerfing things that facility large scale combat (most of us at least), because that's something unique to EVE.

Making it harder to move, is not better. It's tedious. Tedium doesn't improve things.

Null is intended for large scale player activity, and tools need to facilitate that, including the ability to move around large numbers quickly. No one wants to spend hours on end moving across the mob to engage in war, and CCP wants peopel to engae in large scale fights in null.

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A titan and a cyno can move you from one side of EVE to the other in a single jump?

What the ****!


Here it is guys.
He's telling us mechanics designed specifically for us to do something, aren't intended for us to be used to do it.

WTF would they allow us to jump across space with a cyno and a titan if it isn't intended!!!

No, but certainly in a single night, which is far to quick.

Yes, I used to fly in null and ride the titan bridge roads a few years back.

- Example If goons want to ***** on a titan kill down south in Omist. They can prolly come in time from Deklein before its killed.

- PL are fighting in the south and if they got any troubles with their moons up in Venal they can be in full force in no time up there.

- Lowsec stronger entities are sitting whole day on Titans and jumping on poor guys 3 bridges away (which gets em to the other side of lowsec).

Okay, let's just arbitrarily pick an amount of time it should take, since you're obviously not going to be happy until everything fits with your preconceived notion of how things should be.

Okay, let's just arbitrarily pick an amount of time it should take, since you're obviously not going to be happy until everything fits with your preconceived notion of how things should be.

So you enjoy travelling 30 jumps?

I don't, nor does it make anything feel "bigger" to me.

When I want to feel how big EVE is, I look at the map an the thousands of points I can visit.

Nor are titans used for general purpose travel through EVE, and when I gotta go 5 jumps through null, that **** feels huge.

Ok now you have recognized that proliferation does exist in eve (after 2-3 pages of debate tactics made to mask your back pedaling)


I can move ahead with my original point, that you do not seem to be addressing.




Person 1 (I guess being you) likes allot of titans/supers in your fleet and thinks that EVE should be this way
Person 2. Likes the idea of a one massive super-awesome-capital ship (presumably a titan) at the head of a fleet of much greater diversity. (As represented visually in the trailer that I mentioned... ya know, so stupid people don't get confused)




CCP happens to be on the side of person 1, at least at the moment. It was not always so. But what is important to understand (and is hard for narcissists to understand) is that one opinion is not superior to the other. Both can work just fine, and both ideas can support a viable fleet and viable fleet composition. Both are equal and both are legitimate opinions.




I hope I helped explain this very simple, kindergarten level idea to you. It is an important lesson that you will be able to apply towards your real life and perhaps reap deeply profound emotional rewards.

No stop... you don't have to thank me.
Well... ok. I guess you can.

- Even without the Tidi

- Considerable amount of time like 30 mins?

- 3 jumps is pretty much enough to reach any lowsec point from another lowsec point and it takes no more than 5-10 mins.

but did you not say you can undock from vfk and find a fight? is it not your own fault for creating mega coalitions that causes the need to move 30 plus jumps to get a fight?

you could if you wanted reset someone like i dunno FA or SMA and fight them or even Razor... its your choice not to...