"Every single rat killed in nullsec is a battleship worth a million or more, therefore we can count those numbers as billions."

So lets see, if we use my overly generous assessment of 2.4 million rats killed that day in nullsec, worth a million apiece, we get a total of 2.4 trillion isk.

In one day.

When around thirty trillion or so in a whole month is more the norm. When more like half of what you're trying to claim would be a normal day.

Even if we bring into this the fact that every single anomaly in nullsec has a 1:1 ratio of battleships to smaller ships in it (as do belt rat spawns, when they have battleships at all) and say that the average rat value killed in nullsec is a mere 500k, the same argument you're using still results in the claim that nullsec is producing all the bounties, which is demonstrably not true.

I'll refrain from bothering to present any more evidence, since you're happily inclined to handwave it away as "sophistry", nevermind the lack of evidence of your own. Come back when you can make an argument that makes sense given the numbers available.

Bear with me as this post is via phone. It seems to me that if you wanted to balance the f&s of eve it would be best to start with the sinks . The prime flaw in the largest sink of the game NPC sells is of the permancy of the items being sold. Due to the nature ofbbpos and the kill scentific networking very few bpos are left exposed and sit in almost complete safety so the number of rebuys on bpos is low.. simply removing that skill and reffunding sp would make a solid impact.. The next issue with the bpos is that although there has been many revamps on old ships few new ships have come out compartivly.. it seems like some of these rebalances could be converted into mk2 version with a new bpo.. new Isk sinks etc.. Finally the last thought that comes to skill.. a new type of premium skill which when podded the skill would be lost including skillbooks.. any rebalance to the f&s of eve should come by expansion to the eve universe not by its diminishment.

We need new isk coming into the game every day. We need new players to be able to earn isk so they can use loyalty point stores.

The point about faucets and sinks is more about where can they be changed and what amount of isk entering the system is healthy.

Or hey, I could be wrong about everything.

"You know, bounties contribute a lot of the faucet and nullsec likely is a big part of it, maybe we could replace some or all of the isk they produce with some other way to reward players for killing them"

As the economy of this game functions in a similar (same?) way as real life, it's probably best to look at the world in order to determine how to combat this inflation problem.

Plus in RL you don't necessarily have a "positive expectation" on money.

I would say that a bigger chunk of that is the fact that, in RL, people have to eat*. In EVE, not so much.


*to include food, housing, medicine, etc.

Yet despite the obvious need to eat, in RL we don't necessarily have positive expectation, which leads to wars, starvations etc.

In EvE not only we don't care of those bodily needs but we have easy ISK spilling out of nowhere.

[(the FW stuff was actually a very major sink)..

I'd argue FW stuff didn't increase the LP sink since from the CSM notes skill books sink appears to have decreased fromCCP Diagoras last tweet about them & LP store sink did not overtake them as #1 according to Dr E in the last CSM summit notes.

There was I recall an implied promise of an DEV blog about the PLEX intervention for mid Janruary which never materialized where I hoped beyond hope this would also be discussed but its looking like we're going to be in the dark until Fanfest were I suspect a murkry economic summary will be unvailed concerningfaucets & sinks.

You'd be insane to think that it didn't increase some, it was a massive farmer goldrush. Pilot population was 2-3x what it is now in FW.

It was 1/4 the ISK sink at tier 5. There is a reason Dr E ain't showing the numbers...
Dr E show us the money!

It was 1/4 the ISK sink at tier 5. There is a reason Dr E ain't showing the numbers...
Dr E show us the money!

Oh boy, here we go again.

You're on this claim again.

Where is your evidence for massive stockpiles of unspent LP caused by gaining high tier (literally the only case where high tier results in less ISK being sunk)?

My evidence is from the CSM notes the skill books are stated to be down to near 6 trillion sink a month and are the #1 ISK sink and compare that to CCP Diagoras last publishing of the LP store ISK sink which was 6.3 trillion a month.

I do wish that the label of that chart was labeled September, October, or November 2012 but here we have hard numbers (evidence) that the LP Store sink has fallen from nearly a year ago. The most likely culprit was the FW insanity over the summer.

Dr E if you are reading this do you want to pipe in?

It doesn't.

In real life manufactured goods can't be made by absolutely anyone with only a minimal barrier to entry that results in cutthroat competition and drives the cost of those goods down very close to the cost of their raw materials, which in turn can be obtained by absolutely anyone with only a minimal barrier to entry that results in cutthroat competition and ruthlessly drives those goods in strict adherance to supply and demand.

and why the only thing that prompted the price of those T1 goods to change was the removal of an enormous supply faucet of minerals.

If normal inflationary pressures apply to manufactured goods --) snip (--

There are other reasons why it may be prudent to limit the size of the net faucet in the game, and there are all manner of ways of doing that

--) snip (-- but that's not really "reducing" the sink so much as it is a matter of less isk being sunk than somehow could have been.

Isk Sink: Name change & employment history wiped when buying character - cost 2 plex (destroyed)

re-invent yourself literally.