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Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:55:00 -
[1561] - Quote
I for one would really like to see a big POS reworking.
'A pos should be something everybody wants', modular, able to jump, all that goodness.
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Sorxus
High Intellion
Exhale.
16
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:56:00 -
[1562] - Quote
Think that expansion related to POS'es should be a priority. Many people are waiting for this. We don't need another FW or null-sec sov expansion. If it will take time for you CCP, we are ready to wait.
Apocrypha was a perfect expansion. Take notes from the past experiences. |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
869
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:58:00 -
[1563] - Quote
I remember us being called 'golden goose' around the time the NEX was introduced and some other 'interesting' stuff leading up to Incarnarage.
It was a bad choice of words, because it showed a severe disrespect to those who pay CCP to do their thing. Without our funding it's end exercise for EVE.
Now those who keep POS's up are being called a 'small portion of the community'.
Once again a bad choice of words. In this case because there is so much more that hinges onto the antiquated POS system.
That poor choice of words coming from CCP Unifex just gives people the strong notion that the guy in charge has no idea what he or she is talking about. Now that, a game designer showing a huge lack of game knowledge, can put people on the fence, I hope you're not surprised.
It's like when one CCP dev once told us in a dev blog, to go out and target paint Supercaps, Structures, or Sieged Caps.
You just asked for mayhem. (Do a search for CCP Nozh if you're unaware of what I'm talking about).
Are you actually playing your own game or do you make these things up while you move on from day to day? Because that is actually quite necessary since EVE is such a complex game. We're not talking about a predefined theme park here like Wow.
To CCP Gargant:
NO ONE HERE IN THIS THEAD SOFAR SAID OVERHAUL IT AT ONCE. Look I can use caps too. :P
Most of us are older then 12. We say, it must be done. We say it must be done starting now because otherwise, since we know CCP, it takes forever to get it started again. We also say knowingly it is a huge task, to do it in small steps. One at the time.
WE also know about incarna, how much of the expectations got lost, how much it hurt CCP and subsequently our game. No-one in his right mind wants that again.
Just stop swinging around and around. Dev blog says this (too much of a hassle we cannot commit ourselves to just one feature), another one says that (we need to take care of those who enable stuff) and the minutes say something else (POS needs love but we have no clue how what when whenever and POS enablers are not worth our time).
For crying out loud make up your mind! *Focus* for once. Stop being so ultimately vague to us and your self. Set a course and stay with it for longer then a year.
Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
Crash69
Colonic Hyperbole
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:58:00 -
[1564] - Quote
Cool Graphics .... Done
Improved overview ... Done
Ship Rebalance .... In progress
Crimewatch .... done
sov mechanics ... done
FW updates ... done
MODULAR POSes .... ?????
DO IT NOW! |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Fidelas Constans
120
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:59:00 -
[1565] - Quote
I too approve this rework of POSes as being needed asap.
We have small, medium & large POSes now.
I would like to see another couple of sizes of POSes:
X-large & Capital POSes. These new larger size POSes would allow for more variety of what to do with them. Plus it would make juicier targets for attackers.
It would be cool if there was a mini POS too. The access would be for player only. Would not need any corp roles & could only do one or two things. i.e. lab and personal hanger(ships/mods)
R.I.P. Vile Rat
[Proposal] Remove Skills for Plex |
Hustomte
Veritex Industrial Inc.
93
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:59:00 -
[1566] - Quote
Posting my $0.02 on a request for modular POS's.
As a very busy person IRL, my game play style has lent itself to planetary interaction to make POS fuel. I have always dreamed since my first week in Eve of owning and operating my own POS. Still to this day, years later, my colleagues and I are still grinding for standings to plant a POS. However even if one of us left corp to plant the POS on our own, all the moons in High Sec are taken. The attention then shifts towards hiring a merc corp to remove an inactive tower, along with the fear of it being an alts placeholder for Goonswarm or some other powerful entity that would simply crush our small research POS. The need for which was only spawned by the insanely long BPO copy queue times (45+ days).
I humbly beg and plead to CCP to please fix POS's.
- To anchor them anywhere
- To be modular
- To preferably not be such a standings grind for industrialist players (a lot of courier missions LOL)
We are at your mercy on this. All I can do is say "please" and "thank you" for your hard work and continued dedication to the player base.
...Signature... |
NosceTeIpsum
Cult of Escobar
Ushra'Khan
20
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:01:00 -
[1567] - Quote
Hydrogen Isos..... all I see in my sleep is Hydrogen Isos!!!!! FTLOG please improve the POS system. This thread has my undying support. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
790
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:03:00 -
[1568] - Quote
mynnna wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Two step wrote:
Again, I'd like to remind folks that are actually reading this thread to keep things civil and constructive. Going all nutso will only hurt the chances of getting CCP to work on POSes.
While I agree with this to some point, however how long should the playerbase play nice? This has been discussed and almost unanimously support from the playerbase for years, yet it has remained a elephant in the room. While many would not wish to resort to rage, it seems to be the only effective measure to get CCP support, as history would show. Development on this should have started shortly after Apocrapha, especially with the explosion of POS use when wormholes where released. Yet it does not seem that CCP even cares or has even started working on it. CCP should feel like we're simply voicing our support for a feature we deeply care about, not that we're a riotous crowd trying to ransom them into developing a feature we care about. Thus, being rude or mean is not the way to go.
I have a much different opinion on this than Mynnna. Historically CCP only seems to change their positions when the playerbase either riots, smears them in the media, or inflicts pain on their subs. I consider riotous behavior consistent with the belief that their behavior only seems to change when displeasure is voiced in the most extreme ways possible.
It isn't that I like that, it is that they seem to keep repeating the same mistakes as the past....not listening to the players until forced to.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal
Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
MadbaM
Hard Knocks Inc.
27
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:04:00 -
[1569] - Quote
Jr Instructorcon wrote:My alliance has a suicide watch style support network for people who manage the 500+ POS/infrastructure my alliance needs.
Stew on that for awhile.
I wish i was joking when i say we have had 2 players quit EVE and never heard from again as a direct result of managing all the POS in our WH. |
C'Lox
Die rot-weiss-roten Piloten
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:06:00 -
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Time for a change..do it! |
Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:07:00 -
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POS's need major work and modular with improvements would be awesome.
As a inventor, for an invention job it is ridiculous/unintuitive/just plain DUMB that I am required to place BPC, Datacores, decryptors which will be consumed, along with a racial interface that will not be consumed into the same hanger of the same lab I will use for the job.
After doing all those requirements I still have to tell the stupid interface which lab to use! 
Some high tech marvel that is.
Lot's of work to be done here, and it is a MAJOR feature of the game for me and many, many others.
Nerf Goons
Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
115
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:08:00 -
[1572] - Quote
POS are terrible. Delete them all. |
Daedra Blue
Atomic Biohazard
29
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:09:00 -
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Hello, i would also love to say a few things poses can be but are not due to the limitations.
First i must say that building my own pos was what made me start to play eve 6 years ago. And i totally love the concept.
1.Building potential: Currently in highsec all station slots are full while pos slots sit empty. Wish there was a way to publicly rent pos slots in a way that did not require you to turn over all your belongings.
2.Production efficiency: Seriously why do i need to get carpal tunnel again if i want to scale up production?
3.Better permission: system to Pos and corp. You cant do many things without having to give people the possibility to rob you blind.
4.Looks: It's you own damn station, it looks like a damn stick within a bubble. The least impressive structure in eve.
5.Customization: There's really no branding to it. Give it a billboard with the corp logo or something.
6.Moving cargo: Would be nice if we did not have to move the stuff from different cargoes all the time we are in our own station, it can a least move the damn things within its perimeter and not have to use our pilots mechanism to be in range of all the things you want moved.
7. Somehow i am not really impressed by the combat systems around the pos. It should be more fun then afk-ing to bring it down.
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Horus V
25
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:09:00 -
[1574] - Quote
Please bring love for POS users. its a backbone of every corp i know.
+1
REMOVE LOCAL !!! |
Bairfhionn Isu
EVE University
Ivy League
9
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:10:00 -
[1575] - Quote
Any Dev get into a WH and live in it. You will despise the POS/Corp mechanics as everyone in here does. |
Darth Skorpius
Legion of Darkwind
Order of the Void
77
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:11:00 -
[1576] - Quote
I'd like to point out one part of POS's that annoys the **** out of me. They are called PLAYER Owned Structures, but a better name for them would be CORP Owned Structures. They are so heavily reliant on corp roles that the only way to have a personal POS is to be in your own one person corp. When you eventually get around to fixing POS's, please make them truly PLAYER owned again.
Follow my Adventures in New Eden! http://www.skorpiuschronicles.com/
Baa Means Baa! |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY
Tribal Conclave
319
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:12:00 -
[1577] - Quote
At this point this trad have more posts then the 1 year old modules sugestions tread at Feature and Ideas section...
in just a day...
Please read this! > New POS system (Block Built)
Please read this! > Refining and Reprocess Revamp |
Tannat Skor
EVE University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:14:00 -
[1578] - Quote
POS's mechanics really need improvement, and in my opinion it should come before adding new ships and flavor (the captain's quarters for example).
Fix the current game we are playing, then expand it.
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1034
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:14:00 -
[1579] - Quote
Darth Skorpius wrote:I'd like to point out one part of POS's that annoys the **** out of me. They are called PLAYER Owned Structures, but a better name for them would be CORP Owned Structures. They are so heavily reliant on corp roles that the only way to have a personal POS is to be in your own one person corp. When you eventually get around to fixing POS's, please make them truly PLAYER owned again.
A corp is generally made up of players.
Really individual POSs isn't something I would be all crazy about. However improving POSs to the point where individuals wouldn't have the need for personal POSs is the direction it should go. |
Lord Zim
2281
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:14:00 -
[1580] - Quote
Bairfhionn Isu wrote:Any Dev get into a WH and live in it. You will despise the POS/Corp mechanics as everyone in here does.
Each and every CCP employee who are thinking "well the POSes can wait" should try to setup a 2 simple to 1 complex reaction POS, using the interface they have in the game now. Then change the reaction to a new type. Then do it again. And again. And again.
Then tell me the POSes "just affects a minor part of the playerbase".
Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
70
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:15:00 -
[1581] - Quote
CCP Gargant wrote:
I can't make promises for game designers or the people that make content for EVE Online. Please try to remember that. What I can do is assure you that your voices have been heard, the opinion of the CSM has been heard, and the concerns raised in this thread have been heard.
These are all nice words and stuff, but to those of us who have been defending CCP's long years of inaction based on the mythical coming POS revamp are feeling a mite angry. Tell me have you, Seagull, or Unifex ever maintained a POS on a live server? Ever tried to manufacture anything in one? Ever setup a decent set of defences? Hauled the fuel for it? People do this all the time and they are the people who keep the T2 and T3 products flowing in game. They maintain the jump bridges. Setup staging POSes. Hauling fuel to keep them going. POSes are required for nearly any mid sized corp to function, and large sections of infrastructure. It's something that burns players out, and contributes the dead of corporations.
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DiKKy Heartiez
Hearties Industrial Incorporated
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:16:00 -
[1582] - Quote
Please fix pos. Kthx. |
Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
51
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:17:00 -
[1583] - Quote
Poses are extremely important to the everyday management of our 200 character WH corporation. It's something that should be looked at sooner rather than later. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1399
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:17:00 -
[1584] - Quote
Posting in a Two Step plusrep donation drive.
(also yes fix POSs right now good lord)
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Deadcode Analord
Shockwave Innovations
Shockwave Sovereign Industries
9
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:18:00 -
[1585] - Quote
Marsan wrote:It's something that burns players out, and contributes the dead of corporations.
To CCP: i just got off the phone with a fellow mate to whom I said "CCP is going to help us this year, just hang in there, they're going to help us, it will get easier."
Please don't make a liar out of me vOv |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
378
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:19:00 -
[1586] - Quote
Pak Narhoo wrote:
...'golden goose' ....
...'small portion of the community'.
...bad choice of words.
Picked out the central themes here.
Basically, CCP does not check with reality, each other, or the player base before spouting off. They arrogantly expect the player base to swallow whatever CCP feels like spouting at any point in time.
To quote someone: "...bad choice...."
How many times does CCP need to get swatted with a rolled-up paper and have its nose rubbed in its latest mess?
Learn your lessons CCP: Get together, and get everyone on the same message. Check the message against previously delivewred promises. Check the actual game impact. Check with the player base.
All that... Before delivering your message.
If you think you've got a loser of a message maybe it's time to rethink, or at least do some coherent expectations management.
Don't deliver disappointments and broken promises by demonstrating ignorance of your own game and disrespect to those who play it.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Damikin
Nehalem Baconators
9
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:20:00 -
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What I would like to see for POS changes (sooner rather than later):
Individual storage
Better security (setting per module access per characters, like with titles)
Repackaging ability
T3 subsystem changing
Someway to repair burnt out modules (This might be interesting, but at least a way to get a module where repair paste can actually repair a module) |
Gorram Darkstar
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:22:00 -
[1588] - Quote
It is a bit frustrating to think that CCP has been working on POSes all this time only to realize that they haven't even started, aside from some "prototype" that left them with the conclusion that the whole thing wasn't worth their time.
CCP, please recognize the importance of this feature request and take the steps (iterative is OK!) necessary to not only make current POSes usable, but to expand the concept to a broader set of users. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
267
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:23:00 -
[1589] - Quote
Aryth wrote:mynnna wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Two step wrote:
Again, I'd like to remind folks that are actually reading this thread to keep things civil and constructive. Going all nutso will only hurt the chances of getting CCP to work on POSes.
While I agree with this to some point, however how long should the playerbase play nice? This has been discussed and almost unanimously support from the playerbase for years, yet it has remained a elephant in the room. While many would not wish to resort to rage, it seems to be the only effective measure to get CCP support, as history would show. Development on this should have started shortly after Apocrapha, especially with the explosion of POS use when wormholes where released. Yet it does not seem that CCP even cares or has even started working on it. CCP should feel like we're simply voicing our support for a feature we deeply care about, not that we're a riotous crowd trying to ransom them into developing a feature we care about. Thus, being rude or mean is not the way to go. I have a much different opinion on this than Mynnna. Historically CCP only seems to change their positions when the playerbase either riots, smears them in the media, or inflicts pain on their subs. I consider riotous behavior consistent with the belief that their behavior only seems to change when displeasure is voiced in the most extreme ways possible. It isn't that I like that, it is that they seem to keep repeating the same mistakes as the past....not listening to the players until forced to.
They're turning over one stone with the new development paradigm. I'm willing to give them the chance to turn over a second with regards to responsiveness to players. If the concern continues to be ignored, well...that's another matter, of course.
This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Rampager
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:23:00 -
[1590] - Quote
As a POS used on daily basis, would realy love POS rebalance / redesign.
I realy hope CCP does that for this summer update. |
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