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Othran
Route One
420
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:31:00 -
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fukier wrote:Othran wrote:Tippia wrote: This is simply the return of those methods after Crimewatch accidentally removed them. No new or special benefits are being handed out. No its not as we'll see in the next 6 months. You want to fight someone in high-sec then what's the problem? Don't do it on station - oh look 99% of high-sec warfare fixed  its called a fleet and wtm... so no not 99% fixed you ding bat!
Corrrect numbnuts it IS called a fleet.
Want a 1v1 then fleet up with opponent and warp off somewhere. Opponent brings in help then live and learn. Much like life outside the happy clappy bubble  |

realdognose
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
38
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:32:00 -
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CCP, don't do this!
You are killing Zero-Zero / Lowsec-Solo PVP....
Whats next? Duel between fleets? Duel between corps? Duel between alliances?
And there goes the sandbox... |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12692
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:34:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:I don't like the direction this is taking us quite honestly. What's next, the loser of the duel reappears in a ghost ship and has to warp to his wreck where everything re-materializes? Did that ever happen in the old system? No. So what on earth gave you the idiotic idea that it would ever happen under the new one?
Quote:Edit: Also, will "everyone spam duel request" be the new "everyone spam convo"? Or perhaps both? You knowGǪ maybe it would help if you actually read what you're commenting on before posting. Oh, and if you understood some basic game mechanics before complaining about how something that has always existed is somehow new and scaryGǪ
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |

Komen
Capital Enrichment Services Transmission Lost
155
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:34:00 -
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Malrock wrote:All fine for fun, but please, put under game client generic options a checkmark for auto declining all duel requests.
Thank You.
I'm fine with this but for the love of Bob, this.
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Arec Bardwin
888
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:35:00 -
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At least work in the option to force the duel to stop at 50% hull, if so chosen by one of the dueling parties. |

bufnitza calatoare
Nex Angelus. Unclaimed.
56
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:35:00 -
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Othran wrote:fukier wrote:Othran wrote:Tippia wrote: This is simply the return of those methods after Crimewatch accidentally removed them. No new or special benefits are being handed out. No its not as we'll see in the next 6 months. You want to fight someone in high-sec then what's the problem? Don't do it on station - oh look 99% of high-sec warfare fixed  its called a fleet and wtm... so no not 99% fixed you ding bat! Corrrect numbnuts it IS called a fleet. Want a 1v1 then fleet up with opponent and warp off somewhere. Opponent brings in help then live and learn. Much like life outside the happy clappy bubble 
people are still going to use OGB's and will have neutral or corp logi. because once you are in that safe spot... its too late.
and in the eventual case of OGB's being nerfed to on grid. people will use OnGB that are neutral in some aspect in high sec.
end of the day people will still get bent over anf ****** without the aggressor/challenger buying them dinner 1st. |

Sarah Chambers
Nova Crystallis
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:36:00 -
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If you add a bunch of useless stuff : consider adding mining duels ...
What's next ? Racing Tracks ? |

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
232
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:37:00 -
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You do realize that the 'slippery slope fallacy' argument does not somehow mean that it is now impossible that the feared result can never come about. It just means it is not automatically going to happen. Sometimes when they keep raising tuition, it really does climb to $40,000 eventually.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6374
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:39:00 -
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Tippia wrote:This is simply the return of those methods after Crimewatch accidentally removed them.
Pretty sure that wasn't accidental since CCP decided that the consequences of stealing stuff from a can would be disproportionate to the act itself, because they got tired of AFK miners being can flipped ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Merouk Baas
434
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:40:00 -
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Quote:Greetings most honorable space pilots!
Oh, well, I guess that's about as far as I'll read, then. Clearly this blog is not intended for me. I'll let the "most honorable" people read it, maybe they'll tell me what it says. |

SlapNuts
Big Diggers
12
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:41:00 -
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Allowing dueling just makes me think OMG this is WoW, now i have to turn on my auto ignore because i will be spammed with duel requests when in High Sec..
I guess for me this just takes away from the rep this game has as hard core, if you want to duel make a safe, drop a can and fight, no one will bug you, go to low sec and fight it out, jump into 0.0 or do it the hard core style and just attack the guy and kill him before concord gets you...
Is this duel system really needed? Stop the spam now before it happens. |

Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
240
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:42:00 -
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Please excuse me, I need to scurry off to the Dojo and make nefarious plans on how to abuse the **** out of this  "Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk
Be careful what you wish for. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
715
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:42:00 -
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There better be a way to block dueling requests altogether instead of by character. I'd hate to have people send out duel requests in the middle of a low-sec furball: "WTF GET THIS **** OUT OF MY FACE!!!" Malcanis for CSM8 |

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
232
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Maxpie wrote:I don't like the direction this is taking us quite honestly. What's next, the loser of the duel reappears in a ghost ship and has to warp to his wreck where everything re-materializes? Did that ever happen in the old system? No. So what on earth gave you the idiotic idea that it would ever happen under the new one? Quote:Edit: Also, will "everyone spam duel request" be the new "everyone spam convo"? Or perhaps both? You knowGǪ maybe it would help if you actually read what you're commenting on before posting. Oh, and if you understood some basic game mechanics before complaining about how something that has always existed is somehow new and scaryGǪ
Why not? To please our WoW refugee friends, we could add arenas, maybe add 'daily' missions. How about pets? The possibilities are limitless really. And more seriously, yes, like with every mechanic in Eve, people will find some way to abuse it. |

Merouk Baas
434
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:44:00 -
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How about AUTO REJECT DUEL INVITATIONS? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12695
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:46:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:You do realize that the 'slippery slope fallacy' argument does not somehow mean that it is now impossible that the feared result can never come about. GǪit just means that connecting event A and event B is irrational and lacks logic.
SlapNuts wrote:Allowing dueling just makes me think OMG this is WoW Why is that? Have you been confusing EVE with WoW for long? I've been playing this game for more than half its lifetime and never confused the two in spite of EVE allowing duels all that timeGǪ
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:It's not the announced mechanic that is bad, get it. It's the growing demand and thus the chance of a weird direction to MMO arena stuff. Seeing as how the Gǣgrowing demandGǥ was a demand for restoration of lost functionality, there is no change in directionGǪ or indeed any growing demand to begin with.
GǪwhich is why I keep returning to the same question: why is it that people are so upset with the restoration of lost mechanics? Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |

Della Monk
Monastery of Drakes
38
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:49:00 -
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Maybe 'duel' isn't the best term for this. Maybe an Indulgence would be a better fit for the function, and the universe to boot |

SlapNuts
Big Diggers
12
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Maxpie wrote:You do realize that the 'slippery slope fallacy' argument does not somehow mean that it is now impossible that the feared result can never come about. GǪit just means that connecting event A and event B is irrational and lacks logic. SlapNuts wrote:Allowing dueling just makes me think OMG this is WoW Why is that? Have you been confusing EVE with WoW for long? I've been playing this game for more than half its lifetime and never confused the two in spite of EVE allowing duels all that timeGǪ
Tippia, if all your going to do is spam ppl here your more in touch with WoW then you might think...try and be constructive and come up with something that actually contributes to this topic. |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1077
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:50:00 -
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'mini mutual wardec'? ;) FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |

Echus Alvari
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:52:00 -
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I don't know how this adds any substance to the eve universe as a concept. It just seems like this a mechanic that is in other games and so was added to this one.
I think this detracts from eveonline. Its hard to put into words but the idea of two pod pilots agreeing to duel sounds stupid. It would make my gameplay less enjoyable if I saw two people dueling in eve.
To me it seems like this makes it more like any other game. Why would two capsuleers duel each other why the hell would concord allow it ? It detracts from the violent vicious and subterfuge nature of eve and makes it less. |

BadAssMcKill
Ghost Headquarters The Ghost Army
83
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:53:00 -
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All these slippery slope "duels will lead to arenas" arguments are pretty silly
If we could have them in a roundabout way before way does it matter if they're official now Starships were meant to fly~ |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1077
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:55:00 -
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Echus Alvari wrote:I don't know how this adds any substance to the eve universe as a concept. It just seems like this a mechanic that is in other games and so was added to this one.
I think this detracts from eveonline. Its hard to put into words but the idea of two pod pilots agreeing to duel sounds stupid. It would make my gameplay less enjoyable if I saw two people dueling in eve.
To me it seems like this makes it more like any other game. Why would two capsuleers duel each other why the hell would concord allow it ? It detracts from the violent vicious and subterfuge nature of eve and makes it less.
The 'duel' is really telling Concord to **** off and not get involved. That's all it is.
It's allowing, again, people to have a fight without Concord getting involved. The only difference from the pre CW2 mechanic is: The rest of the corp of the person who owned the can can't get involved without Concord taking an interest. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12695
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:55:00 -
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SlapNuts wrote:Tippia, if all your going to do is spam ppl here your more in touch with WoW then you might think...try and be constructive and come up with something that actually contributes to this topic. I am. I'm asking a question that tries to shed a light on the rather unreasonable emotional response people have to things getting fixed. Apparently, no-one can come up with a rational answer.
This mechanic was heralded in the exact same breath as CW2.0 was presented. The devs immediately covered their rears by saying that they wanted to retain the option for players to enter into some kind of structured ad-hoc engagements even after the change to theft flagging, and people kept asking for exactly this kind of thing to remedy that lossGǪ and to absolutely no-one's surprise, here we are: the old duelling mechanic reimplemented in a way that works within the new Crimewatch.
Why are people so upset over the broken things getting fixed? The only difference between old and new is under the new systems, the challenger can't call in neutral logis with impunityGǪ which makes me suspect that all this crying has nothing to do with duels being reinstated at all. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |

MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance
197
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:56:00 -
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"Shall we say pistols at dawn?" "We can say it, I dunno what it means but we can say it"
It'll be useful for those who lost the ability to do 1v1s, though i'll just stick with leaving highsec for fights I think.. I do not look forward to at least one challenge popping up whenever one undocks from a busy hub  "Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom." |

Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
403
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Rordan D'Kherr wrote:It's not the announced mechanic that is bad, get it. It's the growing demand and thus the chance of a weird direction to MMO arena stuff. Seeing as how the Gǣgrowing demandGǥ was a demand for restoration of lost functionality, there is no change in directionGǪ or indeed any growing demand to begin with. GǪwhich is why I keep returning to the same question: why is it that people are so upset with the restoration of lost mechanics?
You can plain ignore the point and try to look clever or plain do a forum search. _______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime. |

Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
611
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:59:00 -
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I'm just enjoying going back through this thread and seeing looking at how many times people use "dual" instead of "duel." Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
Also, your boobs :o --áCCP Eterne, 2012.11.05 14:50 |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12695
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:00:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:You can plain ignore the point and try to look clever or plain do a forum search. Oh, you mean that thing that has nothing to do with what's being discussed here (viz. restoration of lost mechanics), and which doesn't seem to exhibit any GÇ£growing demandGÇ¥?
Why would I search for that? Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |

Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
403
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Rordan D'Kherr wrote:You can plain ignore the point and try to look clever or plain do a forum search. Oh, you mean that thing that has nothing to do with what's being discussed here (viz. restoration of lost mechanics), and which doesn't seem to exhibit any GÇ£growing demandGÇ¥? Why would I search for that?
So you want to ignore the point. Ok then.
_______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime. |

SlapNuts
Big Diggers
13
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:SlapNuts wrote:Tippia, if all your going to do is spam ppl here your more in touch with WoW then you might think...try and be constructive and come up with something that actually contributes to this topic. I am. I'm asking a question that tries to shed a light on the rather unreasonable emotional response people have to things getting fixed. Apparently, no-one can come up with a rational answer. This mechanic was heralded in the exact same breath as CW2.0 was presented. The devs immediately covered their rears by saying that they wanted to retain the option for players to enter into some kind of structured ad-hoc engagements even after the change to theft flagging, and people kept asking for exactly this kind of thing to remedy that lossGǪ and to absolutely no-one's surprise, here we are: the old duelling mechanic reimplemented in a way that works within the new Crimewatch. So why are people so upset that lost mechanics are being reimplemented as promised? The only difference between old and new is under the new systems, the challenger can't call in neutral logis with impunityGǪ which makes me suspect that all this crying has nothing to do with duels being reinstated at all.
There is nothing broken as my first post in this thread explains there are already the mechanics in this game.
Anyway, you do not have to agree with everyone here but you also do not need to make this your personal crusade, let ppl have their say and if you do choose to respond, try and do it without being insulating. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12695
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:10:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:So you want to ignore the point. Ok then. I would prefer to ignore irrational and unfounded concerns about unrelated topics, yes, because they areGǪ you knowGǪ irrational and unrelated. On might even say off-topic.
But sure, indulge me: how does a restoration of lost functionality GÇö as promised GÇö relate to an implementation of instances and sectioned-off space and no-loss combat (which is what most arena requests are about, and why they never get any traction)? Oh, and why is it that people are so upset that this lost functionality is being restored, again as promised?
SlapNuts wrote:There is nothing broken as my first post in this thread explains there are already the mechanics in this game. GǪa mechanic that was broken by CW2.0 and which is now being restored to its pre-retribution state. Just because there were (incomplete) work-arounds for this broken state doesn't mean it was working properly. Again, this restoration was promised the same moment CW2.0 was presented, and now we have it.
So why are people so upset that this return to the old system has happened as promised? The only reason I can think of is that neutral logis will be comparatively neuteredGǪ so far, I haven't seen any better explanation. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
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