Do you prefer pistols or swords?

All fine for fun, but please, put into generic option a checkmark for auto decline all duel requests.

Thank You.

All fine for fun, but please, put into generic option a checkmark for auto decline all duel requests.

Thank You.

Nice feature. You could record stats of someones dueling history so they can display it on their character sheet with pride.

All fine for fun, but please, put into generic option a checkmark for auto decline all duel requests.

Thank You.

Would be awesome to see easily managed, RvB-style engagements.

Come closer to my ship, so i can hit you with my sword!!!

Cool, just make sure no killmails are generated from these games.

So, how about that POS REVAMP?

Finally I can have truly honourable combat!

1v1 at the sun is now a real 1v1!

Seriously??? You basically take a huge dump on literally every single player living in wormhole space, a huge portion of people living in null, low and high sec, almost every single industrial player by calling us a minority that doesn't matter, then you go and do something completely and utterly useless as this? Is this a sand box or is it not a sand box?

Seriously considering about unsubbing ALL my accounts because it really appears this game is developed by retards.

I have a suggestion, Honourable duel tags on killmails... Thus a killmail that resulted from your duel is different, potentially a tab/list of killmails from these duels that others can look at if you set it to public.

And how this is really just restoring an option that crimewatch 2.0 took away?

Err... be polite. I am all for the POS revamp, but this change was already coming and in the pipe and was esentially about restoring a mechanic we lost with the Crimewatch changes.

This is a good thing. Doesn't change the fact that we need to reach CCP re: POS. But be polite and constructive if you actually want to reach them. Fury will lead to a much less willing audience. Mind you, be firm, but don't insult them.

I have a suggestion, Honourable duel tags on killmails... Thus a killmail that resulted from your duel is different, potentially a tab/list of killmails from these duels that others can look at if you set it to public. - remote repping ships could be visable on these, so you can see if someone often gets help from a friend...

However, if the target accepts the challenge, then a 5-minute Limited Engagement is created between the two characters.

Err... be polite. I am all for the POS revamp, but this change was already coming and in the pipe and was esentially about restoring a mechanic we lost with the Crimewatch changes.

This is a good thing. Doesn't change the fact that we need to reach CCP re: POS. But be polite and constructive if you actually want to reach them. Fury will lead to a much less willing audience. Mind you, be firm, but don't insult them.

WHAT?
I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF GUARD'S SHOTGUNS

No, the option was never taken away. About the only thing you can't do is have your 1v1 on Jita undock or a busy highsec gate. If you do it at a safe spot you're pretty much guaranteed to have no interference since nobody's going to bother combat scanning.

CCP Masterplan is a man of honor and brings exciting news of a new dueling feature coming to EVE Online on February 12th.

Check out the blog here and leave your words right here in the thread...unless they-¦re fighting words of course.

Finally I can have truly honourable combat!

1v1 at the sun is now a real 1v1!

Nice feature. You could record stats of someones dueling history so they can display it on their character sheet with pride.

All fine for fun, but please, put under game client generic options a checkmark for auto declining all duel requests.

Thank You.

Looks interesting! Can you disable keyboard input on the window? If I'm yammering away in chat while I'm undocking from Jita with a boat full of goods, I would be quite upset to accidently start a duel.

Alternatively, allow users to block duel outright, or have a 1 minute timer where users can cancel the duel before it starts, or put it in a duel menu or something.

Please have some precautions.

Keep up the good work!

I prefer mining lasers! No surprise huh?

If you'd read the POS thread, you'd quickly learn that it's been over 6 years since the developers promised to look into fixing the POS mechanics. People have been more than patient enough, especially now that CCP is taking back their words and dismissing this entirely.

I wish that when you accept a duel request concord would magically teleport you to a special space pocket / arena that nobody else could enter until the combat is over. That would be awesome.

As no one else mentioned it

OFF GRID BOOSTS

disable them while dueling or something - its not honourable to cheat as many do now.

I like the idea, but how it works in Eve is often different kettle of fish

How many developer hours were spent on this?

How many developer hours do you think it would take to fix just the most egregious elements of POS management (such as adding manageable access lists to a SMA)?

Do you see the problem, here?

It might come as a giant surprise to you, but when people see Eve marketing (trailers, etc) they don't then start playing the game to have childish slap-fights in a market hub. The sooner you get on with creating a game which meets player expectations at the door, the better off you'll be.

The comments link on the blog does not lead to this forum. It just redirects to the blog.

All fine for fun, but please, put under game client generic options a checkmark for auto declining all duel requests.

This is not a thread about the POS system, thanks. Please allow this thread to be about the contents of the blog.

This is not a thread about the POS system, thanks. Please allow this thread to be about the contents of the blog.

That's a common error, in the first few minutes after a new Dev Blog has been published. AFAIK it's automatically corrected. Or if not then CCP has a manual procedure for fixing it.

Just to point out, in the screenshot in the blog it says "we will enter into an Limited Engagement" where it should be "we will enter into a Limited Engagement", proper use of "a" and "an" is the sign of a caring and professional dev

I would like to point out you're being disinformative.

"settle our difference in single combat without interference..."

That's a lie. You really need to phrase that more accurately.


Otherwise, I think it's a great step to blappage. Can you challenge multiple people to a duel and have 4v1 battles or 4v4 battles?

Question for clarification. is this 5 minute timer the time in which combat can start? Or a limit on how long the fight can last? I can't imagine many fights created this way lasting more than 5 minutes but it could happen.

How about you stop ******* developing worthless things like this and do something useful as a company.

This is not a thread about the POS system, thanks. Please allow this thread to be about the contents of the blog.

This is not a thread about the POS system, thanks. Please allow this thread to be about the contents of the blog.

As much as anything in EVE can be done without interference, I think this is valid.

Do you prefer pistols or swords?

Very well. Bring your best Strip Miner and I'll see you at dawn.

This is nice for lowsec dwellers (and for highsecers, too, i guess).

Can we also get some Tekken or Street Fighter sound for when the round starts and the Opponent dies?

Can we also get some Tekken or Street Fighter sound for when the round starts and the Opponent dies?

Excellent news,

Small request though: can we get rid of the medieval imagery in our future sci-fi game please? The icon on the dialog box conveys the message quite clearly but the whole knights and armor thing that is present in EVE grinds my gears. (same goes for armor icons, corporation logo's etc)

Two swords to be replaced by two spaceships going head-to-head?

This is not a thread about the POS system, thanks. Please allow this thread to be about the contents of the blog.

Will you be able to duel people in the same militia with no hit to standings?

Given high-sec protects people then why should you circumvent that?

Finally I can have truly honourable combat!

1v1 at the sun is now a real 1v1!

Note that there is no special exclusivity or isolation from outside interference just because a duel has been agreed. Other players can interact with the combatants exactly as normal, providing that they are prepared to accept the normal Crimewatch consequences. (Inteferring in a Limited Engagement via remote-assistance can net the assistor a Suspect flag, making him a global target).

Ideas is nice in all but it's time we look at this type of idea harder...
We all like to do duels and tournaments and maybe leagues some day....

So, I ask you look in to adding a tournament duel idea were more then one person can duel, in groups
corps alliances be added in on this type of duel... plus allow change of isk, i bet you 20m we win type style...

league would be nice to add in this type of game as we all love to be on top and maybe be part of hall of fame....

But please remove the sec standing loss for participants. and make the battle arenas Probable so people can **** in your pool, instances are bad Mkay.

Involving corps and alliances already exists: It's called a WarDec.

I don't get it..
why you call it a DUEL if others can still Interfere ?

Open question for CCP :

Given high-sec protects people then why should you circumvent that?

I'd like more people in PvP but this nonsense isn't the way to do it

Ideas is nice in all but it's time we look at this type of idea harder...
We all like to do duels and tournaments and maybe leagues some day....

So, I ask you look in to adding a tournament duel idea were more then one person can duel, in groups
corps alliances be added in on this type of duel... plus allow change of isk, i bet you 20m we win type style...

league would be nice to add in this type of game as we all love to be on top and maybe be part of hall of fame....

You say Wardec is limited to kills only and keep track of when you win..... point of a league or tournament is income wining stuff. That's my point plus with a duel I would like to bet few million I could win the fight... maybe a third party could work this out :)


league is men't for very long 3 to 4 months with as many people join as they like, and with a duel idea like this you can save ISK from wardeck.... so any engagement you can just fuel and add it in API form to a board... so hope this clears up your question...

Hm... That certainly is intriguing... It would get more people interested in PvP. Plus, Alliance Tournament teams could use it for practice. Plus, you could have different divisions, like 1v1, 5v5, 10v10, etc.

Because it's a duel?
There's nothing about duels that makes it impossible for people to interfere GÇö it's just dishonourable to do so. If you choose pistols at dawn, the roving band of bandits that happen to find you, and decide to rob you blind, will not particularly care about the elegance of your second's cravat or the eloquence of the challenge you make to your opponent. They will just want you to hand over the guns, valuables and silk socks.

GǪand there have been methods to deal with this in highsec for years. This is simply the return of those methods after Crimewatch accidentally removed them. No new or special benefits are being handed out.

To all the folks posting here and POSes, please stop. This has nothing at all to do with the POS system, until I can challenge another POS to a duel.

Is it possible to add a Friendly Duel check box that terminates the flag at structure? This would be a fantastic learning tool. :)

Duels in hisec

GǪhave existed since roughly forever. Why are people so upset that they're restoring lost functionality? Is it because the issuer can't call in the help from his logi alts with impunity any more?

GǪhave existed since roughly forever. Why are people so upset that they're restoring lost functionality? Is it because the issuer can't call in the help from his logi alts with impunity any more?

this is 1 to 3 steps away from high sec arena's

This is simply the return of those methods after Crimewatch accidentally removed them. No new or special benefits are being handed out.

Yeah, because you couldn't 1v1 with the current mechanics.

To all the folks posting here and POSes, please stop. This has nothing at all to do with the POS system, until I can challenge another POS to a duel.

this is 1 to 3 steps away from high sec arena's

No its not as we'll see in the next 6 months.

You want to fight someone in high-sec then what's the problem? Don't do it on station - oh look 99% of high-sec warfare fixed

You missed the point, which is this

You missed the point, which is this

No its not as we'll see in the next 6 months.

its called a fleet and wtm... so no not 99% fixed you ding bat!

I don't like the direction this is taking us quite honestly. What's next, the loser of the duel reappears in a ghost ship and has to warp to his wreck where everything re-materializes?

Edit: Also, will "everyone spam duel request" be the new "everyone spam convo"? Or perhaps both?

All fine for fun, but please, put under game client generic options a checkmark for auto declining all duel requests.

Thank You.

Corrrect numbnuts it IS called a fleet.

Want a 1v1 then fleet up with opponent and warp off somewhere. Opponent brings in help then live and learn. Much like life outside the happy clappy bubble

sounds a little... http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html

This is simply the return of those methods after Crimewatch accidentally removed them.

Greetings most honorable space pilots!

Did that ever happen in the old system?
No. So what on earth gave you the idiotic idea that it would ever happen under the new one?

You knowGǪ maybe it would help if you actually read what you're commenting on before posting. Oh, and if you understood some basic game mechanics before complaining about how something that has always existed is somehow new and scaryGǪ

You do realize that the 'slippery slope fallacy' argument does not somehow mean that it is now impossible that the feared result can never come about.

Allowing dueling just makes me think OMG this is WoW

It's not the announced mechanic that is bad, get it. It's the growing demand and thus the chance of a weird direction to MMO arena stuff.

GǪit just means that connecting event A and event B is irrational and lacks logic.

Why is that? Have you been confusing EVE with WoW for long? I've been playing this game for more than half its lifetime and never confused the two in spite of EVE allowing duels all that timeGǪ

I don't know how this adds any substance to the eve universe as a concept. It just seems like this a mechanic that is in other games and so was added to this one.

I think this detracts from eveonline. Its hard to put into words but the idea of two pod pilots agreeing to duel sounds stupid. It would make my gameplay less enjoyable if I saw two people dueling in eve.

To me it seems like this makes it more like any other game. Why would two capsuleers duel each other why the hell would concord allow it ? It detracts from the violent vicious and subterfuge nature of eve and makes it less.

Tippia, if all your going to do is spam ppl here your more in touch with WoW then you might think...try and be constructive and come up with something that actually contributes to this topic.

Seeing as how the Gǣgrowing demandGǥ was a demand for restoration of lost functionality, there is no change in directionGǪ or indeed any growing demand to begin with.

GǪwhich is why I keep returning to the same question: why is it that people are so upset with the restoration of lost mechanics?

You can plain ignore the point and try to look clever or plain do a forum search.

Oh, you mean that thing that has nothing to do with what's being discussed here (viz. restoration of lost mechanics), and which doesn't seem to exhibit any GÇ£growing demandGÇ¥?

Why would I search for that?

I am. I'm asking a question that tries to shed a light on the rather unreasonable emotional response people have to things getting fixed. Apparently, no-one can come up with a rational answer.

This mechanic was heralded in the exact same breath as CW2.0 was presented. The devs immediately covered their rears by saying that they wanted to retain the option for players to enter into some kind of structured ad-hoc engagements even after the change to theft flagging, and people kept asking for exactly this kind of thing to remedy that lossGǪ and to absolutely no-one's surprise, here we are: the old duelling mechanic reimplemented in a way that works within the new Crimewatch.

So why are people so upset that lost mechanics are being reimplemented as promised? The only difference between old and new is under the new systems, the challenger can't call in neutral logis with impunityGǪ which makes me suspect that all this crying has nothing to do with duels being reinstated at all.

So you want to ignore the point. Ok then.

There is nothing broken as my first post in this thread explains there are already the mechanics in this game.

There is nothing broken as my first post in this thread explains there are already the mechanics in this game.

Anyway, you do not have to agree with everyone here but you also do not need to make this your personal crusade, let ppl have their say and if you do choose to respond, try and do it without being insulating.

GǪa mechanic that was broken by CW2.0 and which is now being restored to its pre-retribution state. Just because there were (incomplete) work-arounds for this broken state doesn't mean it was working properly. Again, this restoration was promised the same moment CW2.0 was presented, and now we have it.

So why are people so upset that this return to the old system has happened as promised?
The only reason I can think of is that neutral logis will be comparatively neuteredGǪ so far, I haven't seen any better explanation.

I would prefer to ignore irrational and unfounded concerns about unrelated topics, yes, because they areGǪ you knowGǪ irrational and unrelated. On might even say off-topic.

But sure, indulge me: how does a restoration of lost functionality GÇö as promised GÇö relate to an implementation of instances and sectioned-off space and no-loss combat (which is what most arena requests are about, and why they never get any traction)? Oh, and why is it that people are so upset that this lost functionality is being restored, again as promised?

All fine for fun, but please, put under game client generic options a checkmark for auto declining all duel requests.

Thank You.

How about pets?

like with every mechanic in Eve, people will find some way to abuse it.

no you cant due to crimewatch...

Can we also get some Tekken or Street Fighter sound for when the round starts and the Opponent dies?

Yes, you can. It's very easy to have a 1v1 without anyone else interfering with the current Crimewatch mechanics.

But whatever, we better have the ability to block ALL duel requests indiscriminately without blocking other forms of invites or communication at the same time. If we don't then I and many, many people will be quite pissed off.

Furthermore all killmails resulting from this duel mechanic should be shown as such, although that's not as important.

next step, battlegrounds...

While I want there to be a way to do relatively consensual 1v1s (since the last mechanic was stupidly removed due to some poorly though out crimewatch changes), this is dumb. This is Eve, not WoW. No duels, no arenas, none of that.

Is it possible to add a Friendly Duel check box that terminates the flag at structure? This would be a fantastic learning tool. :)

They aren't proposing a safe style of combat beyond anything other than two people being able to fight in high sec without drawing the ire of concord. The word arena doesn't show up in the blog at all.

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You see? Magic bullets.

Because agreeing not to shoot further than armor is damn too hard.

When are we getting raids?

I am. I'm asking a question that tries to shed a light on the rather unreasonable emotional response people have to things getting fixed. Apparently, no-one can come up with a rational answer.

This mechanic was heralded in the exact same breath as CW2.0 was presented. The devs immediately covered their rears by saying that they wanted to retain the option for players to enter into some kind of structured ad-hoc engagements even after the change to theft flagging, and people kept asking for exactly this kind of thing to remedy that lossGǪ and to absolutely no-one's surprise, here we are: the old duelling mechanic reimplemented in a way that works within the new Crimewatch.

So why are people so upset that lost mechanics are being reimplemented as promised? The only difference between old and new is under the new systems, the challenger can't call in neutral logis with impunityGǪ which makes me suspect that all this crying has nothing to do with duels being reinstated at all.

And if someone comes and ganks you halfway through, all the better.

So you can guarantee 100% that there won't come a 10vs10 "duel" in any future because it hasn't been mentioned yet. Brilliant. Thank you.

Just because 2, 5, 15, or even 100 people are able to engage in a massive knockdown-dragout for a few minutes in highsec without Concord interference doesn't mean it's automatically bad. It also doesn't mean other players won't try their damnedest to spoil it.

The only way i'm going to get upset with this is if they take it outside the bounds of the normal game play into an instance.

I prefer mining lasers! No surprise huh?

When are we getting raids?

CCP, I really hope you are aware of the danger to develop this into a sort of arena pvp, which would be plain wrong imho.

Given high-sec protects people then why should you circumvent that?

I'd like more people in PvP but this nonsense isn't the way to do it

I don't get it..
why you call it a DUEL if others can still Interfere ?

Low-sec low-level complexes have, apparently, already created an arena-like atmosphere. This just legitimizes limited forms of it in high-sec while removing the need for players to go through a (relatively) convoluted process to do something that should be more than possible were EVE "real."

All fine for fun, but please, put under game client generic options a checkmark for auto declining all duel requests.

Thank You.

Low-sec low-level complexes have, apparently, already created an arena-like atmosphere.

I'm sorry, you mean those plexes that were removed from lowsec due to "metrics showing farming in hisec"? Plexes which disappeared because of change that was smuggled into Retribution without any warning and annihilated huge chunk of lowsec pvp. Those plexes?

I bet that duel mode will boost lowsec pvp to a new level.

I bet that duel mode will boost lowsec pvp to a new level.