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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.19 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: pershphanie on 19/01/2006 02:50:16
 Originally by: Rafaello Cruel
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Rafaello Cruel
so imho FE owning for Geminate must be removed
This thread is also not for non-representatives to make requests in. Your alliance chairman designated himself and another above.
Please go through them to make your opinion known.
"Rules for this thread
1. Only post changes you believe should be made to the map."
FE not OWNING GEMINATE
don't remove my post again
map saying its FE region - and that is lie...
even FE talking about lack of presence there..
if they want geminate back.. they need take it
and it is not about SNU will , it is not about FE will to make changes on map - it is about representing actual situation...
So by your definition any alliance that fight a war somewhere other than their home space loses their space by default? Claiming space means the pilots of an alliance are not allowed to leave?
We are on our way down there. If you can take the space from us then you will claim it. Time will tell. You were an FE protectorate untill 3 days ago. I dont think inhabiting space for 3 days warrents a map change.
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Rafaello Cruel
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Posted - 2006.01.19 15:01:00 -
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you misunderstand me...
im not talking about SNU claim...
im talking about free space - more not claimed...
what is your definition of claimed space ?
true is ... no one claim that space for 100% -and if anyone is on that space and trying claim that space for now that in not FE !
im not asking to change claim to SNU or other aliance/corp - im just bring atention to fact that space is uncclaimed by no one
that is a difference
SNU not claimed that space for now - and statment is not my decision
my intention is to claryfy on map fact there is no claim for no one
of coure i can change my point of view if you will tell me what is your definition for claimed space
for now geminate is not claimed
from 3 month i can see on that space:
-4S
-Big Blue
-Force of Evil
-Stella Nova United
if im not wrong - 4s, BB, FOE ale not a part of FE - i even belive you dont like too much ;)
at last you have done agression to SNU and FE set SNU to kos - so even SNU is no longer friendly to FE
it is not my decision who is owning that space... but for sure is that reagion is not claimed by FE
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best regards
Rafaello Cruel
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Sergio Ling
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Posted - 2006.01.19 15:24:00 -
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I re-iterate what i said earlier, and what Maggot agreed to. upper providence (which I class as north of CVA/Huzzah space) is not TSDS. it's not UNITY. It's not CORVD. there are at least 4 alliances working there, and a couple of strong corporations, and pirates too. It's certainly not claimed by anyone.
of course, I mean no disrespect to either TSDS nor UNITY, who appear on the map as controlling sections, but it simply isn't true
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.01.19 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 19/01/2006 16:09:07
Alrighty, added "Multi Factional Warzones" which basicaly indicates a part of space is being fought over and being populated by to many diffrent alliances, corps and pilots and as such isnt really controlled by anyone nor cant it accuratly be listed as to who is fighting who.
Edit: If you still see the old map, hit CTRL+F5 while viewing it. This will force your browser to clear its cache and load the latest map.
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Sergio Ling
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Posted - 2006.01.19 16:20:00 -
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that's a lot better, thanks. let it be noted that had the map said CORVD controlled space, i would have made the same objections.
for the sake of accuracy, we have three distinct sides, but not completely official:
CORVD, UNITY, SHOP and MAELSTROM
TSDS
Spontaneous Defenestration and KROM, with some help from FE
Malthros Zenobia Says - You:, Us: |
Xrak
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Posted - 2006.01.19 16:35:00 -
[1686]
Any chance of the numbers being made slightly bigger please?
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Khirion El'Laputa
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Posted - 2006.01.19 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Khirion El''Laputa on 19/01/2006 16:52:55
Just one notice.
Rafaello Cruel is not diplomat for SNU, nor one of executives.
Regards
Khirion
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Rafaello Cruel
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Posted - 2006.01.19 17:16:00 -
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yes - thats why im only informing about unclaimed space
im not asking to move claim to other aliance/corp
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Rafaello Cruel
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Drakoumel inSpace
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Posted - 2006.01.19 17:56:00 -
[1689]
I had the impression that venal was much more than just H-PA
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Argumentative
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Posted - 2006.01.19 18:09:00 -
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Immensea has been peacefully handed over to the Immensea residents by the Red Alliance.
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Light Darkness
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Posted - 2006.01.19 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Argumentative
Immensea has been peacefully handed over to the Immensea residents by the Red Alliance.
Lol....and wich alt you are????
Regards
/LD
*-V-President* *-V-Fleet Command*
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Sethon
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Posted - 2006.01.19 19:21:00 -
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The only map change SNU wishes to propose is a war marker over Geminate. Any other changes will be presented by John Blackthorn or Myself no other SNU member has any authority to post anytihng offical on SNU's behalf.
SNU - This is not the place to discuss who Geminate's true owners are, regardless of personal feelings.
Let the guns speak, and a GL to FE, we look forward to it.
If anyone else from SNU posts here you will be added to my to-do list. This is not the place for you to post.
Sethon,
Chairman
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spookz
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Posted - 2006.01.19 20:45:00 -
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I don't see how the map should show 5 as the main occupier in venal. Sure enough they have pretty much owned us in H-PA, but owning one system doesn't equate to owning the whole region.
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Archonon
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Posted - 2006.01.20 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
Historically it has always been claimed by someone since the CA held the majority of the systems. Those days are long over and until most of the red alliance lives in Curse (not just RUSH and section XIII) it should not be shown as controled by them.
There is no active defence from hostile faction in Curse, RA&friends hold a large part of Curse atm. And u can't consider corp/alliance docked 23/24h in a single system as a contesting faction.
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2006.01.20 01:19:00 -
[1695]
Edited by: Amthrianius on 20/01/2006 01:21:18
Originally by: spookz
I don't see how the map should show 5 as the main occupier in venal. Sure enough they have pretty much owned us in H-PA, but owning one system doesn't equate to owning the whole region.
To attempt any claim of our region you would need to attack us. You havent the last remenants of PA this week were crushed at their own POS which was also destroyed. Sure you can log on and off in weird out of the way systems and NPC, but thats not protecting, claiming or fighting for a region, thats called npcing in our space.
This is your eviction notice
Leave.
EDIT: and oh, if at anytime you want to attempt to attack our region with a fleet then feel free, we need some large T1 guns to refine.
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.01.20 01:55:00 -
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Does this mean that all one needs to do to claim a region is take one system with NPC stations, and set up a large PoS?
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2006.01.20 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus
Does this mean that all one needs to do to claim a region is take one system with NPC stations, and set up a large PoS?
No you also need unhindered travel rights wherever you go with enemies that darent come out of their shell npc stations or log in and out in complex systems. No real threat to our security of the region. To claim a region you have to fight for it, for which the Phoenix Alliance has failed.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.01.20 02:39:00 -
[1698]
Edited by: Raid on 20/01/2006 02:39:30
Originally by: Archonon
There is no active defence from hostile faction in Curse, RA&friends hold a large part of Curse atm. And u can't consider corp/alliance docked 23/24h in a single system as a contesting faction.
Map illustrates that RA does not control the region. It is not contested between any two factions but multiple factions within the region. You have no control over the region, neither do we or anyone else. Thats what the map illustrates.
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2006.01.20 03:06:00 -
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Amth, honestly, I don't think I've seen you guys outside of H-PA, 9-2 and D-8 with the exception of some small raids.
I'm sure it can be agreed that you control southern Venal, but most of the region can be travelled unhindered by ATUK.
For now I believe it should still be considered contested.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2006.01.20 10:49:00 -
[1700]
Originally by: Mephistos
Amth, honestly, I don't think I've seen you guys outside of H-PA, 9-2 and D-8 with the exception of some small raids.
I'm sure it can be agreed that you control southern Venal, but most of the region can be travelled unhindered by ATUK.
For now I believe it should still be considered contested.
May i ask you what youre doing to contest the region then ?
a) you have not more pilots in the region (active)
b) youve lost every fleetbattle, if you ever managed to make a fleet
c) your allies abandones you because of a)+b)
d) we roam freely, you guys are forced to dock
so in short sitting all day in a pos makes you contest a region ?
I think the mapmaker got it right, especially with the recent FE statement (rather objectiv) about your activities in that area.
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2006.01.20 11:06:00 -
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Well first and foremost I'm not a member of the PA (I've just been too lazy to put on the setting that shows corp and alliance).
a) Well that might be a matter of the times I'm on and around, because I tend to see more PA members out and about then 5, then again I recognize that you folks control H-PA and don't make a habit of making casual stops there. Although I've made many a hauler run into the system without any sort of opposition that threatened me.
b) All of you silly people tend to have fleet battles when I'm not at home, but if one managed to muster a fleet and engage wouldn't that indicate contention of space? If one loses constantly and one force is spreading and taking control of space then I'd say that yes, you are controlling the space. However you don't seem to be leaving the general H-PA area, which is why I believe there is still contention over Venal as a whole.
c) F-E abandoned PA yes, but how does that affect whether or not PA controls the region?
d) I roam the place freely, one of Atuk's haulers logged :p
Actually, the only time that I haven't been able to roam freely was when I wasn't paying attention and tried to go through H-PA during a heavy fleet battle day. In general if you roam through a place where people are NPC'ing with a gank squad their pilots dock. By your standards there at various times I've controlled GW and most of ASCN space as well.
Basically all of your arguements boil down to, "We control this small section of Venal, and we can send out gank squads , we must control the region!"
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Archonon
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Posted - 2006.01.20 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
Map illustrates that RA does not control the region. It is not contested between any two factions but multiple factions within the region. You have no control over the region, neither do we or anyone else. Thats what the map illustrates.
U can't contested something u're not defending, u avoid any fight u're not a contested faction neither than the others corp docked in Curse.
Again been docked in doril doesn't mean u contested something.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2006.01.20 11:17:00 -
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these ramblings will be removed anyways.
If PA wishes to contest the region let them bring a fleet and achieve something.
After you added your tag i start to wonder tho why you as an NBSI pilot dispute a contested or owned status for another alliance (hence my first assumption that you were actually PA).
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jernej
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Posted - 2006.01.20 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: jernej on 20/01/2006 11:51:43
Originally by: Kcel Chim
these ramblings will be removed anyways.
If PA wishes to contest the region let them bring a fleet and achieve something.
After you added your tag i start to wonder tho why you as an NBSI pilot dispute a contested or owned status for another alliance (hence my first assumption that you were actually PA).
He has to do that because we don't like to post on forums. And why should we send a fleet to fight one of the best pvp alliances for h-pa when we have 5 other systems with stations in Venal that are just as good.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.20 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: pershphanie on 20/01/2006 11:55:27
Originally by: jernej
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He has to do that because we don't like to post on forums. And why should we send a fleet to fight one of the best pvp alliances for h-pa when we have 5 other systems with stations in Venal that are just as good.
and ppl wonder why things had to turn out like this. If anyone would like to know why fe is no longer in venal please look above.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.01.20 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: jernej
Edited by: jernej on 20/01/2006 11:51:43
Originally by: Kcel Chim
these ramblings will be removed anyways.
If PA wishes to contest the region let them bring a fleet and achieve something.
After you added your tag i start to wonder tho why you as an NBSI pilot dispute a contested or owned status for another alliance (hence my first assumption that you were actually PA).
He has to do that because we don't like to post on forums. And why should we send a fleet to fight one of the best pvp alliances for h-pa when we have 5 other systems with stations in Venal that are just as good.
omg 
if thats the general PA attitude, the mapmaker did his job indeed right.
Would be interesting to hear an official PA spokesperson on this matter 
-G- Pink Power
Darko1107 > i'd rather be fat tbh :P |
jernej
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Posted - 2006.01.20 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Edited by: pershphanie on 20/01/2006 11:55:27
Originally by: jernej
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He has to do that because we don't like to post on forums. And why should we send a fleet to fight one of the best pvp alliances for h-pa when we have 5 other systems with stations in Venal that are just as good.
and ppl wonder why things had to turn out like this. If anyone would like to know why fe is no longer in venal please look above.
I do understand your frustration and I don't want this to become a debate about how to best fight the war or who is pulling more weight or why FE came to h-pa or why they left it.
But I think that if ATUK allocated more resources in controlling their shiny new reigion then your frustration would be less.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.01.20 14:38:00 -
[1708]
Originally by: Archonon
Originally by: Raid
Map illustrates that RA does not control the region. It is not contested between any two factions but multiple factions within the region. You have no control over the region, neither do we or anyone else. Thats what the map illustrates.
U can't contested something u're not defending, u avoid any fight u're not a contested faction neither than the others corp docked in Curse.
Again been docked in doril doesn't mean u contested something.
Your missing the point. RA doesnt control curse any more than we do.
For your next post how about you just post changes you feel should be made to the map and back it up with some logic rather than "everyone but RA is docked 23/7" because you look stupid when you make stuff up like that.
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pacifica
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Posted - 2006.01.20 15:32:00 -
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dear Map maker
Pls can u correct the venal region was fast to give it to .5. when they control only 1 system.
.5. Are in h-pa
if u think that controling 1 system give u the region then it not very wize.
Venal is a battle field.
H-PA why we don t go in is simple this system can t handle fleet fight the lag is terrible. so pls correct your Map.
Tks
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Stulmar Eskanti
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Posted - 2006.01.20 16:05:00 -
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You gotta love it how controling one system in an npc region gives u control over the whole region.
.5. control h-pa there`s no question about that, they massed their whole alliance in that system and through all the lag that folowed they managed to defeat any attempts by the PA to kick em out.
But that`s all that they control.Venal also has 6nj,y-4,pf-,p-v,k3 and n5 with stations that are all controled by the PA.So lets see PA controls 6 of the 7 systems with station but still Five shows up as claiming the region.Nice move mr. mapmaker 
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