And I dare you to show where I said that the hurricane is useless. I am just arguing that you are using STUPID and USELESS DATA to make your point, even if your point is not wrong.

I have many. This alt has none. EvE eh! Damn tricky for some to grasp simple concepts...

Faction warfare isn't a solo pvp. Try to fly 30+ jumps in 0.0 and find a good target for your lonely ship and not die - that will be a solo pvp.

And I dare you to show where I said that the hurricane is useless. I am just arguing that you are using STUPID and USELESS DATA to make your point, even if your point is not wrong.

No you don't. Damn tricky for some people to accept the truth...




Getting solo fights all the time is solo pvp, doing 30+ jumps and dying to a blob is banging your head against a wall.

I wasn't even talking to you in the first place.

What's stupid and useless about the data, care to explain?

1#Oracle 56,256
2#Naga 52,642
3#Tornado 51,917
4#Hurricane 48,758
5#Loki 46,526

It's useless

The trick is not to die and even kill some. That's why I don't like the idea to nerf TE at all.

Also after a nerf the drop in usage of a ship is NOT immediate because a lot of people only have good skills for the ship that used to be the best one.

Yep. The TE nerf is possibly the harshest for solo / small gang PVP in a long time. Viable kiting platforms are being slowly reduced. CCP wants players to be social and play in large corps / blobs because their data says they get more monies when players do that. See last CSM summit write-up for details + see trial account spike after massive blob brawls are publicized. The future of solo PVP has never looked so grim.

Tracking Enhancers don't save you from Tracking Disruptors now. You won't really notice a difference if they're nerfed or not.

Let me know what you think!

[quote=nat longshot][quote=CCP Fozzie]


Game balance must catter first for PVP. PVE is and should be relegated to second place because you are not competign with anyone so there is no real unbalance.

Whining because of the mission ships is the most useless whine you can do. Want a "fix"for that? Propose them and uspport that they make the faction modules a bit stronger, sicne faction modules are mostly used on PVE ships that would not hurt so much PVP balance.

Well, that explains why his future looks so grim.

Ok, so we let you know what we think. Basically seems like 75% of people are not in favor of this unnecessary change. Anyone else think that there is any chance this wont happen anyway?

If you are hell bent on nerfing TE for no reason (unless more blobs is a good reason) then can you at least stop the nerf with T2 and leave the faction/officer TE as they are now? That way those of us who spent 6+ months training T2 projectiles, the support skills, and the skills for the ships that use them can at least buy our way out of your stupidity and continue to use these ships as they should be.

If one thing ever makes me quit eve it will be the god damn cycle of training into some ship/module only to have CCP come nerf it for some half ass reason right after you spend weeks/months skilling for it. Nerfs should only be done as a last resort when a module or ship is so overpowered that it is game breaking and isn't practical to buff other ships/modules to that level. This clearly is not the case with tracking enhancers.

Why is it that you guys seem to love pissing off your player base with nerfs? Nerfs take away from players, and invalidate time spent training skills. If something isn't horribly broken then just leave well enough alone. If something is broken then look at buffing inferior ships/modules first. Everything in the game doesn't need to be equal. Nobody wants to play your vision of bland and generic Eve.

Why does Fozzie have such an obsession with nerfing things...

He should know that nerfing is seen as a very negative thing as it means people are losing something. And lately there has been so much nerfing and ruining of good old ships that it's getting ridiculous...

Why not buff other things instead? Just don't do like 30% big changes at once like you do in the nerfing. Make small buffs and see over time how things look like. This way people can keep playing like they were and not feel like they were forcibly ripped off of something they spent huge amounts of training, isk and time while paying you guys real money. New tactics and setups would become viable and competitive with the old ones. Do you understand? you would still have what you worked hard for but it would have just as good alternatives and counters.
That would be a win-win situation in my opinion. Nerf hammer should be the absolutely final and last option.

And what is this favoring towards large alliances as they weren't powerful enough already... It costs ridiculous amount to wardec large alliances while tiny corps are so cheap to dec. And other recent changes and game mechanics seem to favor more and more large blobs.

Does this mean smartbombs and bombs will be nerfed too at some point because zomg! i can actually take on larger fleets with them.

I'm sure calling him stupid and not actually using any real facts, just made up numbers that you pulled out of your ass, will both get him on your side, and stop the nerfs.

my experience is they are gonna do whatever the hell they want anyway. And I didn't call him stupid, the change is stupid.

If you are hell bent on nerfing TE for no reason (unless more blobs is a good reason) then can you at least stop the nerf with T2 and leave the faction/officer TE as they are now? That way those of us who spent 6+ months training T2 projectiles, the support skills, and the skills for the ships that use them can at least buy our way out of your stupidity and continue to use these ships as they should be.

my experience is they are gonna do whatever the hell they want anyway. And I didn't call him stupid, the change is stupid.

Oh you didn't?



Whats that bold underlined bit say?

Because to anybody reading it evidently other than you it reads like you called him stupid.

Which I heard is always the best way to communicate.

In my opinion you can take it both ways, calling someone stupid or calling the thing he's suggesting stupid. And in my opinion he meant the latter.

Write your as the possessive form of you, referring to something that a person has, something that belongs to the person in question, or the person you are talking to. "Your" reflects ownership, as in "yours, mine, and ours".

As far as the trick being no to die, can you tell me how losing 3kkilometers in fall off from say, a Cane will result in your death? You can stop acting like its 33% of your total range, the final number is so insanely small that theres hardly anything you notice. Even on something like a slicer, it doesn't even bring your damage projection down inside point range.

Oh you didn't?



Whats that bold underlined bit say?

Because to anybody reading it evidently other than you it reads like you called him stupid.

Which I heard is always the best way to communicate.

I donGÇÖt know how you fit your slicer but a common fit without TE gives it 22km optimal, and even then it is relatively easy to lure into point range while flying a fast AB frigate. Are you actually arguing that as long as you can project damage outside point range you are okay as a kiter? You do not take into account the room the kiter needs for maneuverability, get pointed and you die. Nerfing TEs will make this room for maneuverability smaller for a lot of ships because you need to move in closer to apply meaningful damage, making something that is already hard harder.

Well then you're both wrong

Have you even checked the range changes when applied to the standard slicer fits?

It goes from 22km to 20km.

That change sure does ruin....oh...wait....nothing at all.