Navy Omen DPS is definitely something I'm thinking about, but I'm leaning towards letting it hit SISI before making and drastic changes to it. We need to be careful about making it too strong at long range dps, and if people really need more DPS fit they can always run a flight of Valks and take the downsides of the slower drones.

Is the Navy Omen that much overpowered? Isn't it possible just to keep the 5 turrets and the fire rate bonus and exchanging speed for tank? Or just keep it as it is? Why shall it be similar to the zealot? Please keep the navy omen as a good attack ship.

Since the cruisers are being balanced via tiercide, will the LP store requirements for the navy cruisers be equal now?

Yup

To the higher amount, lower amount, or the average?

To the higher amount, lower amount, or the average?

So they're still planning on going split wep systems with the navy scythe huh? I was hoping someone smarter than me woulda talked them out of that by now.

Have you considered tracking rather than optimal for the NOmen, to fit with your new direction for Amarr, aka to go alongside Narbinger/Apoc? It would also fit with the new vexor bonus and with SFI tracking bonus. Also, giving it optimal will put it into direct competition with the Zealot and will give it more optimal than it really needs given the limitation of point range for kiting, (scorch+HPL2s gets you ~25km optimal without optimal bonus iirc) whereas medium pulse kiters could always use with more tracking. With tracking, it fits more in line with Narbinger, the bonus is honestly better for the role of a point-range kiter, it has morein common with other faction cruisers, it doesn't encroach on Zealot territory, etc. Wondering what your rationale was for not giving it tracking?

I can already see it overshadowed by the zealot
tracking or maybe rof+damage bonus
I do see that you are running out of bonuses though and it is probably with its bonuses going to hit a mirror in either the zealot or the phantasm

Navy Omen DPS is definitely something I'm thinking about, but I'm leaning towards letting it hit SISI before making and drastic changes to it. We need to be careful about making it too strong at long range dps, and if people really need more DPS fit they can always run a flight of Valks and take the downsides of the slower drones.

Do you think the NOmen would be good with five guns, tracking and optimal bonuses? .

Do you think the NOmen would be good with five guns, tracking and optimal bonuses? Also, how do the devs conceptualize the Navy Cruiser/HAC comparison? I always thought that they designed navy cruisers to be more well rounded (navy ships in general) whereas T2 often had more deisgn focus (HACs in perticular always havign speed, resists native to the hull and ample range bonuses), and so the old Nomen/Zealot comparison made sense in that context, just like the SFI/Vaga comparison makes sense as well. Are they retooling the NOmen to be on a progression path towards the Zealot now rather than being a sibling hull tha emphasizes different elements (IE, HAC focuses on pew pew, speed and tank, faction has utility high, drones) or maybe a bit of both?

Anyway, I would love a dev post at some point explaining the "theory" being navy ships vs particular classes of T2 ship, even if it is just to confirm that Navy ships are designed to be "generalists" and AFs/Inties/HACs have more role focus. Also, an explicit articulation of what the role focus is or will be for HACs would be super sweet as well.

To the higher amount, lower amount, or the average?

I actually don't think that the new NOmen is on a "progression path" towards the Zealot. I think it fulfills an entirely different role than the Zealot. I just contend that it should look a bit more like a Zealot than an Ishtar. More damage bonus, less drone bay, overall EFT damage nerf, overall practical damage buff.

/shrug

-Liang

The Slicer and Retribution coexist. The Navy Omen and Zealot will too. The Omen still needs to be dragged behind the shed though.