wtf nomen?!

while I appreciate the optimal bonus and more stable cap, how n the hell is it supposed to stand up to a vexor or god forbid an sfi?!

Its an oversized slicer now, that will be tackled in an instant and popped a second after that..

/facepalm


And do we as amarr really need YET ANOTHER scorch platform? How about giving it a 20% per level tracking bonus to beams instead. That way there would be at least one ship that would ever want to fit beams over scorch for a change.

Aah i get it thanks. Guess that makes it more viable than I thought, so I guess the idea it to make a gank and run like hell ship. I can support that.

Damage bonuses multiply hardpoints by (1+dmg_bonus). Rate of fire bonuses divide by (1-dmg_bonus).

-Liang

Yes, we do. This is a very needed role that is currently completely unfilled in the game.

-Liang

wtf nomen?!

while I appreciate the optimal bonus and more stable cap, how n the hell is it supposed to stand up to a vexor or god forbid an sfi?!

Its an oversized slicer now, that will be tackled in an instant and popped a second after that..

/facepalm


And do we as amarr really need YET ANOTHER scorch platform? How about giving it a 20% per level tracking bonus to beams instead. That way there would be at least one ship that would ever want to fit beams over scorch for a change.

To all of those that complain about the Scy NI it seems to me that its going to be a pretty awesome ship to fly in fleets, and viable in solo roams.

Pros

-Fast - 280 m/s that's only 8m/s slower then the stabber at cruiser 5 with much better dps or projection

-Versatile - You can run this as a fast kiting shield ship or an uber armor utility ship (uber on the utility not the armor), a heavier fast tackle or anywhere in-between. Also both weapon systems and bonus allow for damage type flexibility.

-Surprise - People will be so baffled that your actually flying a navy scythe they will either confuse you with a regular scythe and primary you or dismiss you as flying a useless ship.

Cons

-Not as cool looking as the SFI

-Fittings could be tight depending on how its setup the CPU and PG might need a look at

-People will be angry at you for not repping them

My 2 Cents

Minmatar really are getting nerfed to ****. I'm dreading when hacs get the rebalancing treatment (slower vagas?). Minmatar are getting slower, and will be hurt by the nerf to Tracking Enhancers as well.

The whole point of Minmatar is to be fast glass cannons and it seems like they are becoming slow, poorly tanked brawlers.

SFI is also used somewhat effectively as a heavy tackler in ahacs, which will almost become non-existent now due to the nerf to armor.

What Minmatar are supposed to be as a race needs to be re-looked at by Fozzy, because all I have seen is bad things coming to Minmatar ships. Every Minmatar ships re-balance is a dissapointment....

omen navy getting less turret damage than it already HAS. and less hitpoints than its RIVAL THE STABBER FLEET in every category. and the stabber fleet is untouched? seruiosly

UNACCEPTABLE. this makes no sense that the top of the line amarr navy cruiser has LESS ARMOR THAN ITS RIVAL.

wth the stabber fleet has more sensor strength a omen navy. ?!!?!?!?!!?!?!!!!?!?!?!?!??!!?

While I believe the new NOmen will be fine, I do agree that the Matari are historically dead last on sensor strength, and should remain so.

Vexor Navy Issue:
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10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield
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While I believe the new NOmen will be fine, I do agree that the Matari are historically dead last on sensor strength, and should remain so.

what part about the nomen do you think will be fine? the part where it gets webed from loki linked bitches? or the part where it caps its self out? maybe its the part where the nomen is able to use 1 less ancillary current router than it currently uses.

or the classic amarr argument, web or scram cause the nos will be completely insufficient to keep all those 4 guns running so you HAVE to use cap booster.

what part about the nomen do you think will be fine? the part where it gets webed from loki linked bitches? or the part where it caps its self out? maybe its the part where the nomen is able to use 1 less ancillary current router than it currently uses.

or the classic amarr argument, web or scram cause the nos will be completely insufficient to keep all those 4 guns running so you HAVE to use cap booster.

Well obviously youre forgetting that 350 EM dps are totally op vs the poor rusty SFI or vexors.

I mean its not like they could match that dps, while being faster, cap stable, have 40% more ehp.

Totally balanced...

the 10% to projectile rof on the scythe seems too good to be true and make the missile bonus totally useless especially with 4/4 turret/launcher and 5 highs, the Nomen change of role from DPS machine to kite ships its strange, since when that its amarr gamestyle?

and to all the ppl complaining about this new cruisers vs T2 ships keep in mind T2 still have to be rebalancesd

Once again, judging by how you fit and fly your brawling slicers, if you fit the navy omen by the same philosophy I understand that you think it is crap in comparison to the other navy cruisers. You are not taking advantage of the ships strengths. The new omen is a kiting ship. Try it out with your slicer sometime.

Edit goldsaver where do you find this 50%rate of fire also 4+ 50% (which is 2) would be 6, not 8. While other ships have 10% and 10% something else.

For the mathematically challenged, a 50% ROF bonus = double damage. Think about it, if you are shooting every 4 seconds, as opposed to every 8 seconds (4 seconds is 50% or .5 of the original 8 seconds) you are doing double the damage. This is why, from a DPS perspective, an X% ROF bonus is always better than an X% DMG bonus.

For the mathematically challenged, a 50% ROF bonus = double damage. Think about it, if you are shooting every 4 seconds, as opposed to every 8 seconds (4 seconds is 50% or .5 of the original 8 seconds) you are doing double the damage. This is why, from a DPS perspective, an X% ROF bonus is always better than an X% DMG bonus.

For the mathematically challenged:

5% bonus to RoF per level = 25% @ level 5 = 33.3% damage bonus
7.5% bonus to RoF per level = 37.5% @ level 5 = 60% damage bonus
10% bonus to RoF per level = 50% @ level 5 = 100% damage bonus
20% bonus to RoF per level = 100% @ level 5 = infinity damage...before reloading time or capacitor drain is factored in

If the scythe fleet issue does go live I can't wait for the scythe + scythe FI blobs raping everything. They may even let a scim or two in.

Frigate destruction with rapid lights, cruiser+ destruction with missiles or guns, plus remote reps everywhere. The carnage will be glorious.

/sigh

not sure if being trolled or just stupid...


You do realize that one can have multiple fittings, right, i know its awild concept to someone flying the same 2x TD kiting slasher 23/7, but i assure you, its possible.

The proposed nomen simply doesnt work as it is intended to, its basically a ****** zealot with less cap and two less low slots, and going by the fact that booster alts are ubiquitous nowadays, AND by general fail stats compared to other cruisers in that very lineup (SFI), it simply cant.

The kiting idea would be neat if applied to a panicking shield tanking ******, but if matched by even a somewhat decent pilot the nomen will burn 10/10 times because nothing it has cant be easily hard countered by coockie cutter SFI/vexor fits.

And do we as amarr really need YET ANOTHER scorch platform? How about giving it a 20% per level tracking bonus to beams instead. That way there would be at least one ship that would ever want to fit beams over scorch for a change.

its easier when you explain taht 50% rof bonus does not mean the ROF is increased 50%. But that the time between shots is reduced in 50%. The nomenclature that CCP use is not precise and cause confusion a lot.

Yeah, I'm interested to see how it turns out. I think it'll be good, and pretty fun to fly. I like the gankboat idea.



Thanks. You described it better than I did. I was stumbling over the words to describe how ROF bonuses work.

'Man's got a point...


These ships aside, it would be nice to see some cruiser sized platforms where there is a reason to chose the long ranged turret weapons. Arty are about the only thing I ever see as they have alpha, can't recall the last time I saw anyone use Medium beams or rails for anything other than low level mission running.