We all agree that four or five extremely vocal forum warriors don't care about those 90% of systems. Working as intended.

We all agree that four or five extremely vocal forum warriors don't care about those 90% of systems. Working as intended.

We all agree that no one cares about those 90% of systems. Working as intended.

If only the other 15,000 players in factional warfare stopped caring so much about those backwater systems... It's like there's 250 people logged into each militia at all times of the day, and they are all spread out over each system fighting non-stop. It's so much fun to run the plexes in these 90% of systems that "Gallente Militia Plexing Command" channel is bursting with players.

What are these people thinking??!!! They should listen to these four forum warriors who are completely out of touch with FW reality.

Yay! The pvp in fw is mainly players who never leave their blobs and boosters in their base systems! How dare anyone expect more pvp opportunities than that?

This pretty much nails the "objection" to the notification system. To us, it seems like it will miss on achieving it's stated purpose of "turning backwater system plex warfare into a pvp mechanic."

Another option to "make people care about the entire theater" is to remove several constellations from FW that nobody cares about.

Gallente/Caldari FW
View as Constellations

The first six constellations in the following list could easily be removed from the map and nobody would notice, tbh.
1. Fislepsisnes
2. Otasawa
3. Ieyama
4. Serthoulde
5. Obrey
6. Urpiken
7. Kurala (I think one Caldari corporation likes Okkamon)
8. Woencke (a Caldari corporation actually lives in Loes right now, so this is where the list ends)

^^

The real issue is that the warzone is far too big.

But if they made so small that only pvpers effected sov - FW would be destroyed by large alliance coming to the 'pvp arena systems' which is what fw space would become.

I wouldn't mind the Cal/Gal wz being shrunk to the same amount of systems as the Amarr/Minnie warzone.

The notification system will solve this!

We took our beatings, learned from it and almost lost our system to the enemy on one occasion. Though, this was just before Inferno hit so station lockout was not a reality. However, we had too much pride and didn't want to lose the system even if there were no real consequences.,.

Yes that is the point. Pvpers will know exactly where they need to go so they can fight for plexes.

Warzone does not need to be shrunken at all. Warzone just needs more brave newbies who want to claim ownership of their own system.

You need organizations on both sides who have the balls to live in their own system without piggy backing off the work of others. As it stands now, all Caldari lowsec corps move into Enaluri. And I believe Ronin live in OMS? Gallente do a little better by occupying Nisuwa, Essesier, Vlillirier, Eugales, and Nenn.

Whatever happened to the pride of system ownership and carving out your own identity for your corp?

I remember my first FW corp that I joined - Screaming War Eagles. A corp full of newbs and eager PVPers. We initially lived in Heyd but it was too quiet and we wanted more action. We realized alot of the stronger corps lived in Nenn. However, my CEO and I didn't want to piggy back off the work of the established organizations like GMVA and QCATS. We wanted our own identity.

So I did some extra researching and learned about a system that was a couple jumps away, was still close to the warzone, and had the right amenities for us to call home. We were the only militia corp to settle down in that system. Two jumps away was an established Caldari militia alliance who gave us plenty of fights and had more experienced fighters than my small corp of 20 did. And in our home system, was a small nuisance of a pirate alliance, Exodus, who pestered us every night in the plexes causing a triple threat match between them, us, and Caldari State Capturing. I still recall some crazy battle royals that all three corps had.

We took our beatings, learned from it and almost lost our system to the enemy on one occasion. Though, this was just before Inferno hit so station lockout was not a reality. However, we had too much pride and didn't want to lose the system even if there were no real consequences.

Months passed, our pilots became better, our corp developed a name for itself, and a local market started to develop because of my seeding the system with mods and ammo. My initial FW corp eventually became inactive and we all moved on.

And while that corp is no longer around, the remnants of what we built in those early days are still here today but stronger. The system has most ammo, ships, and mods stocked in multiple stations. It is the crossroads for all lowsec traffic coming from Blackrise, Nullsec Syndicate, and Placid. Solo pvpers and gangs would stop by and loiter hoping to get a fight out of the current residents of this system. Several Gallente militia corps base out of this system now. Because the system sees alot of traffic, it has become a key factor in intelligence as well.

That system is called Vlillirier. And it was built because some newbie corp wanted to carve out its own identity rather than piggyback off of someone elses. No need to shrink the warzone. Just expand your vision.


Deen Wispa,
Architect of Modern day Vlillirier.

This!

If fw sov were something to be proud of then people would fight for it. Tiers, lockouts, idustrial slots etc does not make winning the sov war something to be proud of. It's only if you think the game is worth playing that people care about winning it. Otherwise it is all farming.

They're already out there! It's only those four "crazy" posters who say people don't care about backwater systems. Everybody else CARES. And since they CARE, they are out there every day fighting for those systems that they CARE about!

Really! ..... Honest! No, really!

Cearain - you should join FW - find a base and practice what you preach.
After spending every online minute undoing the farmers work you might see why it's a waste of time (unless you like dplexing).

I've been there and done it for long enough to know it's not a fun way to play eve.
It is ok while the farm isn't your backyard - but eventually the farmers work out when you are not online and strike.

Why do you think I gave up Hykanima and moved the entire Alliance to Enaluri?

+1 for warzone shrinking.
Main problem is: CCP really (NO JOKE!!!) thinks it is all okay with fw.
So how to proceed?

Proposal: Every fw CEO gets his people to bomb CCP with "shrink the wz" petitions down?!

I'm still not going to do 6 jumps to chase a stabbed plexer out of his plex in backwater placid, even if I get a nice mail telling me exactly where he is and even if his timer resets when I chase him out....

I'm still not going to do 6 jumps to chase a stabbed plexer out of his plex in backwater placid, even if I get a nice mail telling me exactly where he is and even if his timer resets when I chase him out.

But if there is a notification system, then it's a pvp mechanic. Therefore, you will sit in the plex after you chase the rabbit out. Really. You will. And there will be many more players just like you who will do it as well. Trust me on this.

Since entire enemy militia will know where I am, and knowing where I am, is the first requirment of my getting pvp I will, of course, be more likely to stay in the plex.

When I was in fw I might stay if there was under 4 minutes left and 5 or more wts in local. With the notifications I might stay if there is 6 minutes left and 3 or more wts in local.

That's a really good point, tbh. But why bother chasing the rabbit in the first place? Just open a plex anywhere, and have at it.

BTW, you're not really fighting the occupancy war are you? You're just using the plex for fights. And, you aren't really interested in chasing the rabbits out at all. It's kind of a strawman argument, isn't it?

If this was implemented the militias that wanted to win would have seperate coms for different sections of the war zone.

Really cearain ur only looking from whatever side you was on and the mustve been poor, most militias do this already and we have good intel channels too. When i was a minmatar they also did this and had gd intel channels. This is the reason most of us are against the notification idea we see it as "NOT NEEDED".

You should try other militias and see the different cultures and way of doing things it may open your eyes a little

No our intel channels tell us were actual pvp is not rabbit hunting

Whatever.

Like I said, if you are happy with 90% of systems having sov determined by rabbits, like the content rabbits bring to the game, and are happy that the most effective way to plex is to get a pve ship and avoid all pvp, then your intel channels seem to be doing great. Because these are the actual facts of the current situation.

If ccp wants to just continue to make fw sov yet another pve mechanic for alts, and don't care that they offer no contextual background for small scale pvpers, then they will stick with the current iteration of fw.