If these fictional people actually existed, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

If they do exist, then I suggest you join FW, form a corporation with these people, and then go out and dominate FW.

Under the current mechanics pvpers can't dominate fw.

They can, you just need more of them under the current system.
An average of 2 pvp pilots per contested system should suffice.

In essence it requires a large number of warm bodies spread over a very large area. Instead of nullsec Sov, which requires a large number of warm bodies shoved into a very small area...

They can, you just need more of them under the current system.
An average of 2 pvp pilots per contested system should suffice.

In essence it requires a large number of warm bodies spread over a very large area. Instead of nullsec Sov, which requires a large number of warm bodies shoved into a very small area...

Well you just increased the numbers needed to about 150 pvp pilots online and active at one time for each militia. There simply aren't that many pvp pilots attracted to the current fw sov mechanics.

I actually think we would see that many pilots in fw doing pvp in plexes - if they made it a good game that was pvp based. Like I said with notifications and a rollback system about 10 pilots could at least shut out the rabbits. Then as word spread how much pvp everyone could get in fw I think you would start to see those numbers growing to the point that almost every small gang pvp corp in eve wanted in. The lp we make from plexes could keep us in ships but with the numbers of ships exploding its not like you would be rolling in isk like the plexers are now.

But it just aint happening under the current mechanics.

I would love if there were at least 2 pvpers ready to fight for a plex in every system I entered. Others seem to be partial to this current hide and seek rabbit plexing system we have.

Under the current mechanics pvpers can't dominate fw.

just entered a small plex in lamaa with a brawling hookbill with 3 wts in it.

thrasher cloaked.
first firetail was stabbed
second firetail burned in one direction with 5.5km/s (was already 50k away as i entered)

i docked and logged out after updating market orders. It feels like wasted time recently.

5. ban Cearain from forum

How did you find them in the first place with no notification system??????????????????? hax?

If there was a notification system, no doubt you would have stayed in the plex to finish it off?

/massive sarcasm.

1. no stabs inside plex
2. address evasion cloaking, while allowing strategic / deception cloaking (somehow)
3. timers roll back to zero
4. slightly adjust rat tank in small and med plexes (not sure i like having to use a particular class, though coupled with no stabs in plexes might work.)
5. ban Cearain from forum

3. This would allow those not willing to plex the ability to shut down plexing, and systems would never flip.

1. Stabs are in game for a reason, whether or not you like them.
2. Cloaking is also a mechanic, deal with it. Besides you can't stop evasive cloaking without removing cloaks.
3. This would allow those not willing to plex the ability to shut down plexing, and systems would never flip.
4. Why? People cried about rats before... they cry now.

If there was a notification system, no doubt you would have stayed in the plex to finish it off?

When you find a rabbit on your own and chase off, then it's PvE. If you find him using a notification system, then it's PvP!

1. Stabs are in game for a reason, whether or not you like them.
2. Cloaking is also a mechanic, deal with it. Besides you can't stop evasive cloaking without removing cloaks.
3. This would allow those not willing to plex the ability to shut down plexing, and systems would never flip.
4. Why? People cried about rats before... they cry now.

just entered a small plex in lamaa with a brawling hookbill with 3 wts in it.

thrasher cloaked.
first firetail was stabbed
second firetail burned in one direction with 5.5km/s (was already 50k away as i entered)

i docked and logged out after updating market orders. It feels like wasted time recently.

You should consider not to fly ships which are clearly OP if you want fights against farmers. Those guys are there to make ISK... so if they think they have no chance then they will run. Bring something which gives them at least the feeling of having a chance to survive. E.g. if they fly a Caracal and you come with a frigate then you have good chances they will engage you if they are not complete cowards. But Hookbill is currently the absolute king of the hill with regards to 1 vs. 1 frigate fights.

I FINALLY UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.

just entered a small plex in lamaa with a brawling hookbill with 3 wts in it.

thrasher cloaked.
first firetail was stabbed
second firetail burned in one direction with 5.5km/s (was already 50k away as i entered)

i docked and logged out after updating market orders. It feels like wasted time recently.

Don't feel bad. It took me 2 years to understand Cearain's genius.

You should consider not to fly ships which are clearly OP if you want fights against farmers. Those guys are there to make ISK... so if they think they have no chance then they will run. Bring something which gives them at least the feeling of having a chance to survive. E.g. if they fly a Caracal and you come with a frigate then you have good chances they will engage you if they are not complete cowards. But Hookbill is currently the absolute king of the hill with regards to 1 vs. 1 frigate fights.

4. slightly adjust rat tank in small and med plexes (not sure i like having to use a particular class, though coupled with no stabs in plexes might work.)
5. ban Cearain from forum

You should consider not to fly ships which are clearly OP if you want fights against farmers. Those guys are there to make ISK... so if they think they have no chance then they will run. Bring something which gives them at least the feeling of having a chance to survive. E.g. if they fly a Caracal and you come with a frigate then you have good chances they will engage you if they are not complete cowards. But Hookbill is currently the absolute king of the hill with regards to 1 vs. 1 frigate fights.

He said they were all in the plex. If they were fit for pvp they should have somehow managed to be able to take down a lone hookbill.

The problem is that under these mechanics they will win more sov by doing what they did instead of fighting.

XG
I know you are very upset about the idea that players will actually know where their military complexes are being attacked so that they can defend them in an organized way.

But there really is no genius involved. If you want people to be able to defend plexes in pvp then letting them know where their military complexes are being attacked, is the first step.

Its not that the idea is so hard to grasp. Your failure to get it is more of a "you" problem.

You're right, there is no genius involved. Saying "No notification = PvE mechanic, Notification = PvP mechanic" requires no intelligence whatsoever.

i do not know how it is problem to find where plexes are attacked.

Noone else knows how its a problem either weve just put it down to cerain being lazy or ******** havnt decided yet

But the main thing is once you had a notification system (and rollbacks) militias would see that they have an effective tool to try to fight the farm hordes and they would be more organized in doing that. It wouldn't take one hundred pilots really just 10 or so from each milita.

1. Rollbacks first. (Quit punishing a player for "winning" a plex fight, encourage others to stay and fight (yes, farmers will cloak up)
2. Then timer restrictions - only a T1/T2 cruiser can run a medium, for example. Bring the right ship for the plex you farmers!
3. Then go to notification. We're too lazy to do our job, but what the hell let's give those few guys who live to plex a better intel tool to work with.

Fair enough?