Best Pvp from farmers? How so?

There would be no pvp, just noobs chasing farmers out of plexes. That "fixes" nothing. I could see systems nobody cares about not flipping every week, but how is that even a problem? Not to mention it's entirely dependent on some dense idiot willing to spend hours chasing farmers around.

Chasing rabbits is not fun. So, how do any of your proposals make chasing rabbits fun?

You misunderstand how notifications would work. They would work to tell you where timers are running not just where plexes are open.

Thanks for confirming your desire for more Easy Button mechanics.

Work--- like math--- is hard.

I feel like the guy in Idiocracy telling people to put water on their plants instead of gatorade in order to get a higher yield. You guys just ignore what I write and keep claiming it won't work.

Because I want people to fight for plexes instead of just orbitting buttons with no resistance, I am labeled as the one wanting an easy button?

Winning sov through pvp is a much harder task than winning by rabbit plexxing. Its also more fun and rewarding.

But it has electrolytes man!




Personally I have not ignored anything you have wrote, I just disagree with it and find no logic in what you assume (and they are some pretty big assumptions). I can only go on my experience which is fairly extensive.

Its what they crave!

What assumptions are you challenging? That on average 1/3 to 1/5 of systems will have no one running a plex?

*poasting in amarrtard weeping thread*

Didn't see you complaining about farming when amarrs held most of metro and the whole auga/dal constellation due to the farmarr alt horde.

Maybe your shoes have strategically placed spikes so they make you weep piteously only when you put them on the other foot or something.

Hypocrite.

No more chasing. Just fighting in plexes a jump or 2 away.

That farmers control sov, they have a marginal effect at best because the systems they plex typically do not matter. Also that you will get fights using this notification system, if someone wants a fight, they go to a system that matters and they run a plex. No one who wants pvp is going to run a plex in an empty system. If someone shows up, they will run as per usual.






I guess the disconnect is, I already think mechanics exist to control the farming hoard, you do not.

That farmers control sov, they have a marginal effect at best because the systems they plex typically do not matter. .

Also that you will get fights using this notification system, if someone wants a fight, they go to a system that matters and they run a plex. No one who wants pvp is going to run a plex in an empty system. If someone shows up, they will run as per usual.

Its what they crave!

What assumptions are you challenging? That on average 1/3 to 1/5 of systems will have no one running a plex?

How are you going to fight them if they run?

it's funny you say that. would you say the farming hoard is currently ouut of control, as many people believe?

as it was before.

and when amarr were briefly in the lead.

how many times does it get like it currently is, before you at least start to think that maybe the controls you feel are there, aren't very good?

Na, farmers gonna farm.

If anything it's just another aspect of this game that provides content. When the caldari had all the farmers on their side we murdered them in droves and our home system was never threatened. There is absolutely no reason they can't do the same when the tide turns and they switch back to our side. It's a cycle. Can the system be improved? Probably. Is it fine the way it is? Probably. Has anyone suggested a better way? No, at least IMO.

Primarily I am against anything that makes this game easier for people who are lazy, unmotivated, and expect to have their PvP delivered to them. In spite of what most of my victims think, I work very hard to get my pew. It's what makes it rewarding and satisfying. Too many people lately rely on others to get their PvP fix, and if that fails they blame mechanics...bah

Let me guess, they crave the electrolytes.





Here it is! Now we are getting at how we think different.

1) You do not want sov control to be easier for the pvpers than the rabbits. I want fw sov to be geared more for the pvpers than the rabbits.

2) You are happy for the content the rabbits provide in fw, I am not.

3) You say I am lazy and unmotivated because I do not spend more time playing a computer game. I think spending more time at a computer game would be lazy and show lack of motivation.

Yes then it makes sense for you to be against notifications. Because notifications would mean that pvpers become more efficient at sov warfare than the rabbits.

4) your time spent on forums is probably double what most people spend playing a computer game. we're both lazy. you're just lazier.

4) your time spent on forums is probably double what most people spend playing a computer game. we're both lazy. you're just lazier.

Let me guess, they crave the electrolytes.





Here it is! Now we are getting at how we think different.

1) You do not want sov control to be easier for the pvpers than the rabbits. I want fw sov to be geared more for the pvpers than the rabbits.

2) You are happy for the content the rabbits provide in fw, I am not.

3) You say I am lazy and unmotivated because I do not spend more time playing a computer game. I think spending more time at a computer game would be lazy and show lack of motivation.

Yes then it makes sense for you to be against notifications. Because notifications would mean that pvpers become more efficient at sov warfare than the rabbits.

I want world peace, But i would sound like a ****** if i just kept saying it over and over again on political forums offering no practical solution to what is likely an impossibility. Get over yourself, a pure pvp mechanic to control sov is not possible because you cannot make people fight. There is no other level to explore here, that is the be all and end all. Sorry, your ideology is based on a faulty presumption of possibility.

The solution has been clear for years. CCP just needs to implement it.

I won't I will let someone else fight them and keep fighting people within 1 - 3 jumps of me. The rabbits will be run off the map and the only people left doing plexes will be pvpers.

Until you leave. Then they will be back. Just like now.

There hasnt even been LP for plexing in FW for years. As we all know, the solution to remove farming is removal of LP for plexing...

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FW SOv is a PVE mechanic.

The playerbase CANNOT support a pure pvp mechanic at all. Sov needs to be PVE based.

I anticipate there will be at least 10 people in each militia that like pvp and therefore will continue to fight for plexes when I am not online.

No one is looking for purity.

But having rabbits decide sov in 90% of the warzone is broken.

TBH i like the cyclical nature of the current mechanics. It means that the militia with simply the most no life multiboxing rp plexers doesnt stay on top forever...

Though the cycle is stalled at the moment because of gallentes reluctance to bash bunkers and/or amarrs failure to recruit another large null sec entitiy....

Would be nice if amarr could inherit a portion of the farming horde to get the cycle started again.

Cant argue with numbers. There is no sensible mechanic to equalise the smaller force. You work with what you have.