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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:12:00 -
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"What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even."
High sec will be such a yawnfest that all this would do is make the jump to low sec or 0.0 look even more horrifying to those without a corp backing / training them. Seriously, there are 4 yr old mission runners in high sec that think lowsec gates make your ship asplode.
"I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip."
That's an Australian idea derived from the British idea of fair play. Both lovely ideas from places where 'kick the weak' is the reality. Good real-life values would suck all the adventure out of eve.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
612
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:13:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:The Apostle wrote:What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox".... Were you being facetious? Or do you actually support banning/eliminating suicide ganking from highsec? What does it matter? Until either CCP realises what's happening or a highseccer can get into the CSM, it's a "non-issue" accordingly. But, there a few rumours about making Concord AI smarter. Can only be one reason for that..... Way overdue. There, I said it And I'm not even a carebear... I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip.
You make it sound like this is anything to do with the CSM. The CSM has had nothing to do with the ice campaign.
Let's assume that the CSM had 3 "hi-sec" representatives; what would be different about the ice campaign? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
85
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:14:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:The Apostle wrote:What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox".... Were you being facetious? Or do you actually support banning/eliminating suicide ganking from highsec? What does it matter? Until either CCP realises what's happening or a highseccer can get into the CSM, it's a "non-issue" accordingly. But, there a few rumours about making Concord AI smarter. Can only be one reason for that..... Way overdue. There, I said it And I'm not even a carebear... I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip.
Because it started to sound vaguely hypocritical?
It is already an non-issue as it is still game mechanics within the sandbox, even if a player staying in hi-sec would get a seat on the CSM, the individual would be up against some pretty vocal voices about it.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Cyaxares II
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:15:00 -
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Comrade Commizzar wrote:The Mittens is a Counter-Revolutionary... Pseudo-Socialist of Stalinist bent. If his own followers were aware of the massive resource thefts he has committed against his own they would execute him themselves out of hand. Trotskist detected. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
20
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:18:00 -
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Cyaxares II wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:The Mittens is a Counter-Revolutionary... Pseudo-Socialist of Stalinist bent. If his own followers were aware of the massive resource thefts he has committed against his own they would execute him themselves out of hand. Trotskist detected.
Maoist actually. ; ) |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
216
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:18:00 -
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Hey if Goonies can help push the notion that an alternative to ice mining is needed, i am all for it.
Personally if it was done in PI, then it would be better. [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:22:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:The Apostle wrote:What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox".... Were you being facetious? Or do you actually support banning/eliminating suicide ganking from highsec? What does it matter? Until either CCP realises what's happening or a highseccer can get into the CSM, it's a "non-issue" accordingly. But, there a few rumours about making Concord AI smarter. Can only be one reason for that..... Way overdue. There, I said it And I'm not even a carebear... I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip. You make it sound like this is anything to do with the CSM. The CSM has had nothing to do with the ice campaign. Let's assume that the CSM had 3 "hi-sec" representatives; what would be different about the ice campaign? What if, just what if, the CSM were highly represented by highseccers? You think the rules on ganking would remain the same?
Really?
Half the justification for highsec ganking is idealogical BS.... Take out cheap targets and half the wannabe warriors would have to actually fight to get a kill. Can't have that 'ey?
Cowards all. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
80
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:22:00 -
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Eve cannot exist without Chaos, you have to at least admit to that, Apostle ? All personal feelings aside, what the Goons are doing is causing chaos. Without chaos, anything, any system will stagnate.
Look at what this chaos is causing :
- It has raised awereness among players regarding the dangers in Eve. This in turn is slowly (perhaps too slowly) creating a backlash by Highsec players in the form of plans to counteract the suicide ganking.
- It has made what should be a difficult to obtain resource a bit more dangerous to harvest. This has forced some miners to hire help. This in itself is a very good stimulation of game dynamics.
- People who would otherwise not post in these forums are suddenly becoming more aware of the events taking place ingame and they too are becoming more active in these forums. Another good thing to happen to Eve.
- The question of ship insurance and the way it currently works has been aired once again. I'm confident that CCP will do something to fix this, although I would be against any changes to Concord itself. I am for the concept of suicide gank = no ship insurance. It will not prevent suicide ganking, but it will cause such players to pause briefly and think a little harder on what loses they can sustain.
- It has made many players much more aware (me included), of the politics and the dynamic forces in this game. There are the obvious camps of "I like" and "I do not like" and the glaring hatred by some of Goonswarm. How can this not be a good thing ? It has certainly made me more alert to my surroundings.
- There is a constant effort by the same group of people to trash-talk the members of the CSM, The Mittani in particular. Can you not look beyond your personal beliefs and feelings and look at the facts ? Eve would be a poorer place if The Mittani and the rest of the CSM did not protest to CCP the recent Incarna fiasco. Consider they are bound by the NDA and are (and where) chomping at the bit to get information out of CCP in a timeous fashion.
I can think of several more good points and very few bad points, but that puts me in danger of making this wall of text even bigger.
Needless to say, keep up your complaints, for or against. It is what makes Eve the fascinating game it is.
To The Mittani in particular - the chairman of the CSM
You know there are other areas of space in Eve which require attention in the same manner Highsec has been receiving your love. Don't be biased to just Highsec Empire space. Just take one look at the Sov map, you know what I'm speaking of. This current campaign is a tiny drop in the ocean of Space - there are far bigger fish to fry and I suspect that is your endgame. This campaign is the first domino in your grand plan. Will you be posting the particulars for that, or do you deem it a secret to keep your real enemies in the dark ?
Peace out.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:22:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Every topic comes back to the same conclusions. G&&ns are ******* the game, in whatever method, and people have had enough. There are way more people cheering us on than there are calling for us to be banned. We do it for the fans.
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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:24:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:What if, just what if, the CSM were highly represented by highseccers? You think the rules on ganking would remain the same? Haha you think the CSM makes the rules
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
612
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:28:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:The Apostle wrote:What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox".... Were you being facetious? Or do you actually support banning/eliminating suicide ganking from highsec? What does it matter? Until either CCP realises what's happening or a highseccer can get into the CSM, it's a "non-issue" accordingly. But, there a few rumours about making Concord AI smarter. Can only be one reason for that..... Way overdue. There, I said it And I'm not even a carebear... I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip. You make it sound like this is anything to do with the CSM. The CSM has had nothing to do with the ice campaign. Let's assume that the CSM had 3 "hi-sec" representatives; what would be different about the ice campaign? What if, just what if, the CSM were highly represented by highseccers? You think the rules on ganking would remain the same? Really? Half the justification for highsec ganking is idealogical BS.... Take out cheap targets and half the wannabe warriors would have to actually fight to get a kill. Can't have that 'ey? Cowards all.
So what, specifically, do you think would be different?
To throw in a little example, even with "0.0" CSMs, there is a vast list of desperately desired changes to 0.0 that we haven't even seen a 'SoonGäó' for. What hope would a minority group of delegates have of forcing through such an obviously self-interested change when CCP could just ask
"OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:29:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:"What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even."
High sec will be such a yawnfest that all this would do is make the jump to low sec or 0.0 look even more horrifying to those without a corp backing / training them. Seriously, there are 4 yr old mission runners in high sec that think lowsec gates make your ship asplode. And what of it? There are thousands of targets in low/wh and 0.0 for all the PvP ever wanted.
Quote:Quote: "I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip." That's an Australian idea derived from the British idea of fair play. Both lovely ideas from places where 'kick the weak' is the reality. Good real-life values would suck all the adventure out of eve. Not really mate. My $15 a month is as good as your $15 a month. All I'm saying is give Lil' Jack Horner a corner and let the rest of Eve have the whole universe.
If Jack wants to get greedy and leave his corner for extra custard, that's his problem then.
Make low and 0.0 more attractive, make high safe (but with less isk potential) and people will leave in droves to get rich ELSEWHERE.
Even Ned Kelly didn't live in Melbourne. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
159
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:30:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote: Quoted for perfectly cromulent use of the word tenacious.
I was thinking tenebroso and my brain went fzzt translating. tenebroso is spanish for dark, hazy, unclear, etc. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:31:00 -
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Goddess Ishtar wrote:The Apostle wrote:What if, just what if, the CSM were highly represented by highseccers? You think the rules on ganking would remain the same? Haha you think the CSM makes the rules lol. Funnily enough, nope. But there is such a thing as lobbying.
Let's not forget though G%%n, the CSM sure rushed in to take the credit when the "the rules" got changed.
How soon we forget. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
429
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:32:00 -
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Goddess Ishtar wrote:The Apostle wrote:Every topic comes back to the same conclusions. G&&ns are ******* the game, in whatever method, and people have had enough. There are way more people cheering us on than there are calling for us to be banned. We do it for the fans. Actually I think you'll find there's far more people who dgaf.
That can be changed. You guys just make it easier. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
117
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:33:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Look at what this chaos is causing :
- It has raised awereness among players regarding the dangers in Eve. This in turn is slowly (perhaps too slowly) creating a backlash by Highsec players in the form of plans to counteract the suicide ganking.
- It has made what should be a difficult to obtain resource a bit more dangerous to harvest. This has forced some miners to hire help. This in itself is a very good stimulation of game dynamics.
- People who would otherwise not post in these forums are suddenly becoming more aware of the events taking place ingame and they too are becoming more active in these forums. Another good thing to happen to Eve.
- The question of ship insurance and the way it currently works has been aired once again. I'm confident that CCP will do something to fix this, although I would be against any changes to Concord itself. I am for the concept of suicide gank = no ship insurance. It will not prevent suicide ganking, but it will cause such players to pause briefly and think a little harder on what loses they can sustain.
- It has made many players much more aware (me included), of the politics and the dynamic forces in this game. There are the obvious camps of "I like" and "I do not like" and the glaring hatred by some of Goonswarm. How can this not be a good thing ? It has certainly made me more alert to my surroundings.
- There is a constant effort by the same group of people to trash-talk the members of the CSM, The Mittani in particular. Can you not look beyond your personal beliefs and feelings and look at the facts ? Eve would be a poorer place if The Mittani and the rest of the CSM did not protest to CCP the recent Incarna fiasco. Consider they are bound by the NDA and are (and where) chomping at the bit to get information out of CCP in a timeous fashion.
Excellent summation. I just wrote "chaos is good" somewhere ... but this actually spells out all the reasons why chaos is good for EVE.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:38:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:Look at what this chaos is causing :
- It has raised awereness among players regarding the dangers in Eve. This in turn is slowly (perhaps too slowly) creating a backlash by Highsec players in the form of plans to counteract the suicide ganking.
- It has made what should be a difficult to obtain resource a bit more dangerous to harvest. This has forced some miners to hire help. This in itself is a very good stimulation of game dynamics.
- People who would otherwise not post in these forums are suddenly becoming more aware of the events taking place ingame and they too are becoming more active in these forums. Another good thing to happen to Eve.
- The question of ship insurance and the way it currently works has been aired once again. I'm confident that CCP will do something to fix this, although I would be against any changes to Concord itself. I am for the concept of suicide gank = no ship insurance. It will not prevent suicide ganking, but it will cause such players to pause briefly and think a little harder on what loses they can sustain.
- It has made many players much more aware (me included), of the politics and the dynamic forces in this game. There are the obvious camps of "I like" and "I do not like" and the glaring hatred by some of Goonswarm. How can this not be a good thing ? It has certainly made me more alert to my surroundings.
- There is a constant effort by the same group of people to trash-talk the members of the CSM, The Mittani in particular. Can you not look beyond your personal beliefs and feelings and look at the facts ? Eve would be a poorer place if The Mittani and the rest of the CSM did not protest to CCP the recent Incarna fiasco. Consider they are bound by the NDA and are (and where) chomping at the bit to get information out of CCP in a timeous fashion.
Excellent summation. I just wrote "chaos is good" somewhere ... but this actually spells out all the reasons why chaos is good for EVE.
That is a terrible excuse. I guess thats what all the dictators, who have poured misery amongst its own people say....its was to help you....yeah right... |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:38:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Even Ned Kelly didn't live in Melbourne.
As a proud Australia, I must humbly ask WTF does this even mean. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
430
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:40:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where?
Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification?
Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:40:00 -
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I was just sucking on a stainless steel nail and i nearly swallowed it by accident.
So don't suck on stainless steel ails. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
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Steelshine
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:42:00 -
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The first mistake was assuming politicians are honor bound to be trustworthy. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
430
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:44:00 -
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Masamune Dekoro wrote:The Apostle wrote:Even Ned Kelly didn't live in Melbourne. As a proud Australia, I must humbly ask WTF does this even mean. Ned Kelly. An Australian "hero" by history but an outlaw in life.
He didn't go to the capital of Victoria to get his thrills (analogy highsec).
He did it in "the badlands" of the goldfields (analogy 0.0).
A real fighter... Not some dimwit standing on the street shooting his mouth off with 100 mates to back him up (analogy G&&ns).
Did that help Aussie?
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
117
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:44:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:That is a terrible excuse. I guess thats what all the dictators, who have poured misery amongst its own people say....its was to help you....yeah right... WHAT?!? Are you quoting from the Book of Crazy, again?
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
612
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:45:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad.
Yeah, sounds pretty much like the majority of 0.0 campaigns, tbh.
So again where's the problem. You're in a boat, I want to violence it; I stay within the rules of the game and you make no effectual response. Where do the CSM come into this gap between my competence and your lack of it? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:47:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad. Other than posting about it (often and badly) what are you doing to protect the poor indy players?
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:49:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad. Yeah, sounds pretty much like the majority of 0.0 campaigns, tbh. So again where's the problem. You're in a boat, I want to violence it; I stay within the rules of the game and you make no effectual response. Where do the CSM come into this gap between my competence and your lack of it?
You seem to be completely missing the point..As always Malcanis.. The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. If a person contacts a CSM about anything in game, most players would expect to be treat with honesty.
Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:51:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote: Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously
Did you hear back on your petition yet or are the GMs still passing it around and laughing at you? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
22
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:52:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: "OK so one group of EVE players is fighting another group of EVE players, why should we see this as a problem?"
Fight? Where? Oh... Sorry. You mean the massive highly funded 0.0 alliances bashing individual players senseless and using "bots" and "economics" as justification? Sorry. Yes. That "fight". My bad. Yeah, sounds pretty much like the majority of 0.0 campaigns, tbh. So again where's the problem. You're in a boat, I want to violence it; I stay within the rules of the game and you make no effectual response. Where do the CSM come into this gap between my competence and your lack of it? You seem to be completely missing the point..As always Malcanis.. The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. If a person contacts a CSM about anything in game, most players would expect to be treat with honesty. Then they get scammed, how can that be good for the game, and what the CSM represents? Seriously
Well they'd seriously get the point of EVE I think. Not to mention, last time I checked, scamming wasn't 'abusing the game' at all. In related news, I can remove him from the CSM for the low, low fee of 500M. Please send ISK with reason "remove ebil goon".
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EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
157
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:54:00 -
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goon |
Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
12
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Posted - 2011.10.17 06:55:00 -
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lol.. "The goons forumposter brigade" is strong in here.. I vote for only one CSM pr aliance.... for starters. Mittens.... you are NOT getting my vote |
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