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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:26:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated.
Off to parade on Wall Street too?
If possible yes...a man on a serious mission..
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:26:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Vile rat wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:This is why you should be removed.. Your core fundamentals are wrong and you are not fit to serve any of the eve playerbase. Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything! You are in a position of TRUST!! You are not worthy or fit to hold that postition. You gain your position by manipulation. This is corruption to the core. Actually as a GSF diplomat I am one of the few people in our alliance who can't scam. Doesn't matter though since how I play the game has nothing to do with how I conduct myself as a CSM rep since those are two completely different roles. Unless I'm breaking EULA or the NDA then you're just mad about our playing style and wishing that we'd try to be politicians in our off time instead of just doing what we've always done as players. You really need to get over it. No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated. You are trying to get more people to laught at you? Is what they are saying so hard for you to comprehend?
Goon Alt spotted....Do you really think, silly words like this, will worry me, or hinder me? Really? |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
86
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:27:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Alpheias wrote:Just Another Toon wrote: No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated.
Off to parade on Wall Street too? If possible yes...a man on a serious mission..
Send me a postcard.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:27:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Do you really think, silly words like this, will worry me, or hinder me? Really?
Oh my god i fell for it you're such an obvious goon alt Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
157
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:27:00 -
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While I don't prance about slippers made of "Pure MittaniGäó" as some of the more slavish among us (at least pretend to do) I am however at a loss why you even made this topic.
If The Mittani has an opinion on ice mining (which is wrong) he is entitled to such an opinion. Whether or not he has enough influence on the issue to force it through is debatable. He knows to little about wormhole space to impress people with his in depth knowledge in the field of "possible no risk ninja abc mining" so he would be outdone in a discussions with the other CSM (some of them actually live in wormholes and know their stuff) and this has been proven by discussions of the CSM so far.
If The Mittani, leader of goonswarm and former self proclaimed "spymaster" scammed people in EVE I can't say I am surprised. Its Goonswarms second calling or creed I believe or at least part of their mission statement, you deal with them at your own peril.
The only real thing that disturbs me in the The Mittani is his insistence in saying to people they should "die and/or shut up", however having listened to myself recently while driving I can't really point a finger accusingly. It is however behaviour that shouldn't be allowed from a CSM when he/she is commenting on "official" business or responding to a genuine concerns of players.
No fan of The Mittani, but often he makes some sense. He badly misjudged the whole aurm/nex store thing and thus allowed the incarna/ambulation project to be stillborn (no player control/influence/sandbox in stations = dead stations). But he was not alone in that and would have had little control over it until CCP changes/changed business practices.
So yes The Mittani can be annoying, but the OP should not have a hissy fit. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:31:00 -
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I find it impressive how many versions of goon alts and fake toons can have a conversation betweem themselves. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:34:00 -
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non judgement wrote:Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Phew, While reading this thread, for a second there, I thought the CSM ran CCP and EVE. Like they were the ones in power. They are only advisers.
CCP really is dumb enough to not be able to tell when one of their advisers has a vested interest in a part of their world?
So you're saying the ideal CSM ... wouldn't have any interest in the game? I know, lets hire the Final Fantasy 14 GM team for our CSM staff next time! They'll definitely not have any "vested interest" in the game. I wrote a nice and long reply to this but then stopped and decided not to post it. Since you're obviously a troll. What I said is very straight forward and I didn't mean anything more.
Not a troll, a Goon. Merch Industrial; specifically, KiTA from the Penny-Arcade forums.
But what you said certainly did not come across as very straight forward. Yes, every CSM has vested interests in the game -- they're passionate about EVE. That's why they are going through the hassle of being on the CSM and doing stuff like flying to CCP's home offices to help clean up their mess when they drop the ball.
And yes, some of them are PVPers. Fancy that, since this is a PVP Sandbox game. And yes, that includes suicide PVPing highsec people with no frustration tolerance. It's fun.
Remember CCP's motto? Harden the **** up.
But by all means, please explain if I'm misunderstanding. You appear to be suggesting he's abusing his CSM authority in some way, shape, or form by participating in PVP. Care to clarify that? |
Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
12
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:36:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:I find it impressive how many versions of goon alts and fake toons can have a conversation betweem themselves.
Its effective.... They can make CCP to change game for them..... |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
325
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:36:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Oh that is rubbish, and you still represent Goons full stop, Goons are about scamming, about the worse thing about eve , about a community. You are (and in your own words) Vile.
You see this is where you just flail around. You're critiquing a valid in game playstyle and trying to say that because we play the game a certain way we're not WORTHY of being voted in by the playerbase to represent them to CCP.
Quote: Im sure your alts dont scam either...Yeah right...
Nope. I don't scam at all. I'm not allowed to. Granted it's my own rule, but it's one I enforce. I don't really need to though since I'm eve-rich.
Quote: No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated.
Ok outline the abuse and/or corruption. Go ahead. Be detailed. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
170
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:36:00 -
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Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Phew, While reading this thread, for a second there, I thought the CSM ran CCP and EVE. Like they were the ones in power. They are only advisers.
CCP really is dumb enough to not be able to tell when one of their advisers has a vested interest in a part of their world?
So you're saying the ideal CSM ... wouldn't have any interest in the game? I know, lets hire the Final Fantasy 14 GM team for our CSM staff next time! They'll definitely not have any "vested interest" in the game. I wrote a nice and long reply to this but then stopped and decided not to post it. Since you're obviously a troll. What I said is very straight forward and I didn't mean anything more. Not a troll, a Goon. Merch Industrial; specifically, KiTA from the Penny-Arcade forums. But what you said certainly did not come across as very straight forward. Yes, every CSM has vested interests in the game -- they're passionate about EVE. That's why they are going through the hassle of being on the CSM and doing stuff like flying to CCP's home offices to help clean up their mess when they drop the ball. And yes, some of them are PVPers. Fancy that, since this is a PVP Sandbox game. And yes, that includes suicide PVPing highsec people with no frustration tolerance. It's fun. Remember CCP's motto? Harden the **** up. But by all means, please explain if I'm misunderstanding. You appear to be suggesting he's abusing his CSM authority in some way, shape, or form by participating in PVP. Care to clarify that?
Stop talking to yourself thats silly! Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:38:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Stop talking to yourself thats silly!
This is a silly thread and we should all be ashamed to be posting in it.
At least it's not another Apostle dropping, though. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:38:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Oh that is rubbish, and you still represent Goons full stop, Goons are about scamming, about the worse thing about eve , about a community. You are (and in your own words) Vile. You see this is where you just flail around. You're critiquing a valid in game playstyle and trying to say that because we play the game a certain way we're not WORTHY of being voted in by the playerbase to represent them to CCP. Quote: Im sure your alts dont scam either...Yeah right...
Nope. I don't scam at all. I'm not allowed to. Granted it's my own rule, but it's one I enforce. I don't really need to though since I'm eve-rich. Quote: No sorry but this is pure downright abuse of power and corruption. I have already contacted a few external editorials and will continually do so. You are bad for the game and bad for eve. Enough is enough now, and will no longer be tolerated.
Ok outline the abuse and/or corruption. Go ahead. Be detailed.
Read the first post, might help a bit...
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:39:00 -
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Keep clicking the like button, support is growing!
Its time to stand up to this... |
Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:39:00 -
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Hey 'Just Another Toon', if you feel so passionately about this, why don't you start posting with your main instead of hiding behind an NPC corp alt? |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
325
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:42:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:
Read the first post, might help a bit...
Your OP included no corruption nor abuse. You just whined that because he's an in game scammer you can't trust him and because you can't trust him you think he's a bad CSM. That's fine, you have your vote and all, but you haven't detailed any corruption nor abuse.
So what else you got? |
Cedille Mureau
Institute of Archaeology
3
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Please post the official rule saying that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold your rather unrealistic idealGǪ
Damn, how many times do I have to post this?
"The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. " My emphasis.
Please note: This document was originally created by P+¬tur J+¦hannes +ôskarsson on behalf of CCP.
The CSM is not a vehicle for massaging the egos of its members nor should it be the means whereby a minority of the game gets an unfair advantage.
Sorry about the long delay in replying to Tippia's post, but timezones are a nuisance. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:42:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Read the first post, might help a bit...
Your OP included no corruption nor abuse. You just whined that because he's an in game scammer you can't trust him and because you can't trust him you think he's a bad CSM. That's fine, you have your vote and all, but you haven't detailed any corruption nor abuse. So what else you got?
Think you need to read again..everyone else seems to understand it.. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:43:00 -
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Cedille Mureau wrote:Tippia wrote:Please post the official rule saying that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold your rather unrealistic idealGǪ Damn, how many times do I have to post this? "The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. " My emphasis. Please note: This document was originally created by P+¬tur J+¦hannes +ôskarsson on behalf of CCP. The CSM is not a vehicle for massaging the egos of its members notr is it the means whereby a minority of the game gets an unfair advantage. Sorry about the long delay in replying to Tippia's post, but timezones are a nuisance.
So whats the point?
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:43:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Vile rat wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Read the first post, might help a bit...
Your OP included no corruption nor abuse. You just whined that because he's an in game scammer you can't trust him and because you can't trust him you think he's a bad CSM. That's fine, you have your vote and all, but you haven't detailed any corruption nor abuse. So what else you got? Think you need to read again..everyone else seems to understand it..
I don't. Please explain. Use small words, I'm a Goon after all. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
69
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:44:00 -
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Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Phew, While reading this thread, for a second there, I thought the CSM ran CCP and EVE. Like they were the ones in power. They are only advisers.
CCP really is dumb enough to not be able to tell when one of their advisers has a vested interest in a part of their world?
So you're saying the ideal CSM ... wouldn't have any interest in the game? I know, lets hire the Final Fantasy 14 GM team for our CSM staff next time! They'll definitely not have any "vested interest" in the game. I wrote a nice and long reply to this but then stopped and decided not to post it. Since you're obviously a troll. What I said is very straight forward and I didn't mean anything more. Not a troll, a Goon. Merch Industrial; specifically, KiTA from the Penny-Arcade forums. But what you said certainly did not come across as very straight forward. Yes, every CSM has vested interests in the game -- they're passionate about EVE. That's why they are going through the hassle of being on the CSM and doing stuff like flying to CCP's home offices to help clean up their mess when they drop the ball. And yes, some of them are PVPers. Fancy that, since this is a PVP Sandbox game. And yes, that includes suicide PVPing highsec people with no frustration tolerance. It's fun. Remember CCP's motto? Harden the **** up. But by all means, please explain if I'm misunderstanding. You appear to be suggesting he's abusing his CSM authority in some way, shape, or form by participating in PVP. Care to clarify that? Okay here is a version of my first reply, that I had sitting in notepad off to the side still:
I don't think I'm saying that at all. What I was saying is this: CCP are in control of what happens, not the CSM. CSM are only advisers.
CCP know what Mittens is good at and they know he has a lot of knowledge about nullsec. I think he's a good person to have on CSM because he has good understanding of nullsec and probably most other areas (except maybe wormhole space). They would also know that Mittens would be looking out for his own interests first. Having a vested interest in his part of nullsec is obvious. I did not mean that having a vested interest was a bad thing. It's almost impossible to find someone who doesn't have a vested interest. Of course the people on CSM have vested interests in their part of the game. I'm saying that CCP know all this and most likely take it into consideration when any of the CSM people talk to them.
That is all that I'm saying, nothing more. |
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Victor Dathar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:44:00 -
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There is no smoke without fire! Watergate Watergate! |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:45:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:So whats the point?
The point of the CSM? To represent the player base and bring things up in an orderly fashion.
(If I recall correctly, wasn't the CSM founded after some CCP Dev got caught leaking information to Band of Brothers, or somesuch nonsense? I'm not fully versed in my ancient New Eden history.)
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Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:46:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:
Think you need to read again..everyone else seems to understand it..
Are you stupid or just blind? There's 18 pages of people call you an idiot in this thread. Your OP has 2100 views and 31 likes... you do the math. Somewhere in the range of 1.5% of people agree with you... |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:46:00 -
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non judgement wrote:Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Xython wrote:non judgement wrote:Phew, While reading this thread, for a second there, I thought the CSM ran CCP and EVE. Like they were the ones in power. They are only advisers.
CCP really is dumb enough to not be able to tell when one of their advisers has a vested interest in a part of their world?
So you're saying the ideal CSM ... wouldn't have any interest in the game? I know, lets hire the Final Fantasy 14 GM team for our CSM staff next time! They'll definitely not have any "vested interest" in the game. I wrote a nice and long reply to this but then stopped and decided not to post it. Since you're obviously a troll. What I said is very straight forward and I didn't mean anything more. Not a troll, a Goon. Merch Industrial; specifically, KiTA from the Penny-Arcade forums. But what you said certainly did not come across as very straight forward. Yes, every CSM has vested interests in the game -- they're passionate about EVE. That's why they are going through the hassle of being on the CSM and doing stuff like flying to CCP's home offices to help clean up their mess when they drop the ball. And yes, some of them are PVPers. Fancy that, since this is a PVP Sandbox game. And yes, that includes suicide PVPing highsec people with no frustration tolerance. It's fun. Remember CCP's motto? Harden the **** up. But by all means, please explain if I'm misunderstanding. You appear to be suggesting he's abusing his CSM authority in some way, shape, or form by participating in PVP. Care to clarify that? Okay here is a version of my first reply, that I had sitting in notepad off to the side still: I don't think I'm saying that at all. What I was saying is this: CCP are in control of what happens, not the CSM. CSM are only advisers. CCP know what Mittens is good at and they know he has a lot of knowledge about nullsec. I think he's a good person to have on CSM because he has good understanding of nullsec and probably most other areas (except maybe wormhole space). They would also know that Mittens would be looking out for his own interests first. Having a vested interest in his part of nullsec is obvious. I did not mean that having a vested interest was a bad thing. It's almost impossible to find someone who doesn't have a vested interest. Of course the people on CSM have vested interests in their part of the game. I'm saying that CCP know all this and most likely take it into consideration when any of the CSM people talk to them. That is all that I'm saying, nothing more.
Well, now that I agree with. Can you try to explain that to the OP? He seems to be off his meds. ;) |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:47:00 -
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didnt read it all, well not even a little.
Its just wall of text written by someone with strong feeling of entitlement for his own opinion.
I bet the discussion broke down to sand box game and other things..
So let me state one thing.
If there were not people who provide meaning to things which happening in EVE than it will be dead end game. Players are and should be one who makes the game interesting. And that is what goons and other alliances doing.
From carebear point, my point.
Its awesome that things happens, i am just an small fish with no real/significant impact on EVE universe. Its sad. But i wish good luck to anyone who actually try to provide more fun and meaning to all us soldiers.
As an soldier who signs up for CTAs you are not one who make a change, well you are but THOSE WHO PROVIDE SUCH OPPORTUNITIES ARE BLESSED AND MAKE EVE what it SHOULD BE.
Otherwise it would be botting haeven and by bots i dont mean 3rd party programs but autistic people who grind and grind so they can .. hmm what have sufficient ISKs for ??? Dont know where it would end. But i personally dont see it as bright future. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:47:00 -
[356] - Quote
Xython wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:So whats the point? The point of the CSM? To represent the player base and bring things up in an orderly fashion. (If I recall correctly, wasn't the CSM founded after some CCP Dev got caught leaking information to Band of Brothers, or somesuch nonsense? I'm not fully versed in my ancient New Eden history.)
No your point...
and yes to REPRESENT THE PLAYERBASE.... think about that for the moment. also 'for the greater good of the playerbase'
are you saying the actions of the mittani, his scamming etc is 'for the greater good' ??? really?
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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:48:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Think you need to read again..everyone else seems to understand it.. Actually you and the voices in your head are the only ones who understand it. Every page of this thread is full of people asking for clarification.
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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:49:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:are you saying the actions of the mittani, his scamming etc is 'for the greater good' ??? really? Prove that it's not.
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Cedille Mureau
Institute of Archaeology
3
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:49:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Cedille Mureau wrote:Tippia wrote:Please post the official rule saying that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold your rather unrealistic idealGǪ Damn, how many times do I have to post this? "The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. " My emphasis. Please note: This document was originally created by P+¬tur J+¦hannes +ôskarsson on behalf of CCP. The CSM is not a vehicle for massaging the egos of its members notr is it the means whereby a minority of the game gets an unfair advantage. Sorry about the long delay in replying to Tippia's post, but timezones are a nuisance. So whats the point?
The point being that CCP set up the CSM to represent the whole of the EVE players base and not as has happened to further the aims of a minority who happen to get most of the CSM members elected.
Don't know about the USA but in the UK no matter what party the MP belongs to it is their duty to represent the WHOLE of their consitiuents' interests not just those voters of the party to which they belong. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2011.10.17 07:50:00 -
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Botleten wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Think you need to read again..everyone else seems to understand it..
Are you stupid or just blind? There's 18 pages of people call you an idiot in this thread. Your OP has 2100 views and 31 likes... you do the math. Somewhere in the range of 1.5% of people agree with you...
Sorry i got lost in all the goon alt posts, If you think this derails anything, you are sadly mistaken. |
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