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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
186
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:29:00 -
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Perhaps the OP can tell us by what standards he judges members of the CSM? Why should they have to play this game by a more limited set of rules than the rest of us, all else equal? |
Jen'Dar
Shodan Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:44:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Jen'Dar wrote:Quote:
You just dont get it do you...
Best thread ever. You, OP, seem to be the only one here that is missing the point. EVE is pain and misery, wrapped up in scams and lawlessness. It doesn't take very long to realise that the game is full of people, like Mittens, who enjoy these aspects of the game. Just because i dont go around scamming and ganking ice bots, doesn't mean it doesn't make me smile when it happens  I think you need to take a long hard look at what EVE means to you. are you here to have fun? are you still having fun? if not, perhaps you should be looking at other games that suit your playstyle better? may i suggest LEGO universe? Those of us who love EVE, Love it for what it is. Including the Mittani. do you think he would still be playing if he didn't love it? only a fool would say that he hasn't achieved anything while being on the CSM. the proof is there if you want to find it. I fully support the Mittani, since all he is doing is continuing to make eve an interesting, evolving sandbox. and i do it without hiding behind an alt. I may not trust him (you're an idiot if you do  ), but i gotta give him full props for everything he has managed to achieve in EVE and as a member of CSM! Long live Mittens, long live the CSM! You are the one missing the point the op is an alt and you have just been trolled.
Trolling is also part of EVE, i can feed the troll if i want to... right? 
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
171
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:44:00 -
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Andski wrote:Perhaps the OP can tell us by what standards he judges members of the CSM? Why should they have to play this game by a more limited set of rules than the rest of us, all else equal?
quit trying, its looking stupid now
Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
171
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:45:00 -
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Jen'Dar wrote:Trolling is also part of EVE, i can feed the troll if i want to... right?
You ever saw that monty python sketch?
Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:45:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Andski wrote:Perhaps the OP can tell us by what standards he judges members of the CSM? Why should they have to play this game by a more limited set of rules than the rest of us, all else equal? quit trying, its looking stupid now
why the **** would a goon call his troll alt "Just Another Toon" cripes |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
171
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:49:00 -
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Andski wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Andski wrote:Perhaps the OP can tell us by what standards he judges members of the CSM? Why should they have to play this game by a more limited set of rules than the rest of us, all else equal? quit trying, its looking stupid now why the **** would a goon call his troll alt "Just Another Toon" cripes
so that he can use that argument xD
Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
261
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:54:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Andski wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Andski wrote:Perhaps the OP can tell us by what standards he judges members of the CSM? Why should they have to play this game by a more limited set of rules than the rest of us, all else equal? quit trying, its looking stupid now why the **** would a goon call his troll alt "Just Another Toon" cripes so that he can use that argument xD
lol Goon alt..this is the funniest thing in this thread. |
DidntWantThatShipAnway
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:55:00 -
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Dammit goons, I spent 15 minutes on this, so I'm going to post it, even if it is a troll.
I love how you pull the "greatest good" thing out of context.
"This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. "
"EVE issue awareness" is the subject of the sentence.
The CSM's job is to know what the problems with EVE are, to UNDERSTAND those problems, and EVALUATE them.
The "context" that you so righteously cite, is the idea that those problems put forward as important by the CSM should represent things that when fixed, create the "greatest good for the greater player base".
To paraphrase, their job is to show CCP what needs to be fixed.
None of that has any relevance your being mad.
Please, don't read anything I'm writing, or reply to any one of the twenty or so valid counter-arguments that have been posted so far.
Just keep spewing the same faulty logic over and over again, just like a fox news political analyst would.
Don't let me stop you from continuing to rant like a lunatic, we're all enjoying it immensely. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
261
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:57:00 -
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DidntWantThatShipAnway wrote:I love how you pull the "greatest good" thing out of context.
"This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. "
"EVE issue awareness" is the subject of the sentence.
The CSM's job is to know what the problems with EVE are, to UNDERSTAND those problems, and EVALUATE them.
The "context" that you so righteously cite, is the idea that those problems put forward as important by the CSM should represent things that when fixed, create the "greatest good for the greater player base".
To paraphrase, their job is to show CCP what needs to be fixed.
None of that has any relevance your being mad.
Please, don't read anything I'm writing, or reply to any one of the twenty or so valid counter-arguments that have been posted so far.
Just keep spewing the same faulty logic over and over again, just like a fox news political analyst would.
Don't let me stop you from continuing to rant like a lunatic, we're all enjoying it immensely.
**update**
Thank you for the support - over 200 likes throughout the thread, keep them coming, and lets stand up to this. It should no longer be tolerated.
I guess 200 likes says your wrong
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Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
27
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:58:00 -
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So mutch goon vommit.....  |
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
78
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:10:00 -
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If Mittani is removed from the CSm for using some in-game tactics then so should every other member of the CSM. OP should be banned from playing Eve as he has deliberately done in game things that have caused untold grief to other pllayers (in game) and in fact everyone who has ever egaged in PVP should also be banned, The use of in-game tactics is thoroughly unfair.
Everyone should be permabanned from Eve. Icluding me. |
Gheng Kondur
Serva Fidem
2
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:13:00 -
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Simple fact I knew before I joined the game, unless you are a goon, you can't trust a goon.
Not my style of play and not tactics I like, but hey, this is a sandbox and if they enjoy, they can carry on doing it. If I get scammed or ganked by a goon I only have myself to blame as I know what they are.
Mittani was a goon before he was elected and is still playing the same way, nothing unfair about that, it's democracy.
While I won't agree with all his suggestions and work on CSM, and don't agree with his outlook on the game, he is free to have his opinion and as voted in represent those views on CSM.
If you don't accept that, stand for CSM next time. From my perspective though anybody willing to stand as a politician automatically can't be trusted by default, but in a democratic process you have as much right as him to stand and represent a different view.
Meanwhile he can carry on being who he is and a goon, which is what he's always been. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Placid PI
Thundering Herd
24
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:14:00 -
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Yuppers. He needs to go.
An insane man who needs a THERAPIST BADLY.
The ORIGINAL motive about Gallente Ice (blah blah blah) was valid, but now he has utterly lost his mind.
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:18:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:
**update**
Thank you for the support - over 200 likes throughout the thread, keep them coming, and lets stand up to this. It should no longer be tolerated.
I guess 200 likes says your wrong
out of 2500 views thats potentially 2,300 dislikes if the button was available. Nuff said with your agument really don't you think?
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
265
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:21:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
**update**
Thank you for the support - over 200 likes throughout the thread, keep them coming, and lets stand up to this. It should no longer be tolerated.
I guess 200 likes says your wrong
out of 2500 views thats potentially 2,300 dislikes if the button was available. Nuff said with your agument really don't you think?
LOL no it doesnt quite work like that, and see many have multiple posted...like how you try to derail the support through a useless post...keep trying..support is growing... |
Zleon Leigh
13
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:28:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Scamming and Ganking are allowed. If you trust someone because of a Title you should stop doing that immediately.
Being an A$$hole is not grounds for removal from office, just ask any elected official anywhere at anytime. If you do not like him then ether find a real crime that is against the rules and provide evidence or wait till his term expires and vote him out next term.
Actually it is - that's why most elected positions have a recall provision tied to it. You never know when someone's going to let power go to their head. Problem is, as far as I know, CCP didn't put in a recall mechanism in the CSM structure - big mistake.
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:28:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:LOL no it doesnt quite work like that, and see many have multiple posted...like how you try to derail the support through a useless post...keep trying..support is growing...
Do you think after a certain number of people "like" your post that CCP will remove Mittens from the CSM?
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Banroh
Fleet of the Damned
Legion of The Damned.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:29:00 -
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Every community has to have one Silvio Berlusconi
= universal balance |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
274
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:34:00 -
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Goddess Ishtar wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:LOL no it doesnt quite work like that, and see many have multiple posted...like how you try to derail the support through a useless post...keep trying..support is growing... Do you think after a certain number of people "like" your post that CCP will remove Mittens from the CSM?
I would believe that given the support CCP would launch an official investigation, or if people had given support The Mittani would step down..
Seems we need to have an 'Internal Affairs' type group.....
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Kell Tarhun
Lamb Federation Navy
Against ALL Authorities
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:42:00 -
[410] - Quote
+1
In my humble opinion all CSM idea should be kicked not just one representative
Lets start from Mittani... |
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
28
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:07:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason. So far, so good!
As much as I normally can't stand this emotionally-childish, self-aggrandising little doos, and his crew of (with certain exceptions) drooling, braying lemmings--so pitifully earnest, so loudly, nai'ively eager to be with the cool-kids! So. Utterly.Pitiful.--I have to agree here.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
526
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:08:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:The issue isnt wth the scamming or attacking whatever, its about players seeing these people as people they can trust! But they use this position of trust to abuse the game, such as scamming. Where is the abuse?
How is it connected to their position of trust?
Quote:Your represent everything that is bad about eve. Everything! Really? What are they representing?
How is it bad for EVE?
Quote:Oh that is rubbish, and you still represent Goons full stop, Goons are about scamming GǪand with that knowledge in hand, how does Mittens abuse his position of trust in-game when he scams? He's doing exactly what everyone expects him to do GÇö that's about as trustworthy as it gets.
Quote:Do you think its right that the chair of the CSM, who is supposed to represent the playerbase, and act for the 'greater good' of the playerbase, uses his position to scam people in game? Is he? You have yet to provide even the minutest shred of evidence that he does.
Where's the abuse?
How is it connected to his GÇ£position of trustGÇ¥?
GǪin fact, why on earth do you believe that being CSM chair is a position of trust?
Quote:I guess 200 likes says your wrong No it does not. It means a very small minority of people GÇö overall and in this thread GÇö agrees with you. You might also want to note that only 39 people agree with your actual issue declaration, and these people are most likely then repeating that like in other posts you make. So all in all, that's 39 likes out of 2,700 views. That's pretty darn poor a resultGǪ
But sure, if you want to play the GǣlikesGǥ game, my 524 likes, Malc's 617 likes, not to mention Mitten's 1000+ likes says you're wrongGǪ Most likely because you are unable to explain where the abuse is, how it is connected to this supposed position of trust, and, in general, what the problem is.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
618
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:08:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Goddess Ishtar wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:LOL no it doesnt quite work like that, and see many have multiple posted...like how you try to derail the support through a useless post...keep trying..support is growing... Do you think after a certain number of people "like" your post that CCP will remove Mittens from the CSM? I would believe that given the support CCP would launch an official investigation, or if people had given support The Mittani would step down.. Seems we need to have an 'Internal Affairs' type group.....
An official investigation of what? That you don't like him? You can't even post with your main...
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Prince Kobol
53
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:09:00 -
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I think the Mittani and the Goons have done Eve proud by helping to remove the shackles of bondage from all those poor ice miners :)
Also as for people being scammed by any member of the goons, I call that Darwin's Theory of Evolution - Natural Selection  |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
526
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:10:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:I would believe that given the support CCP would launch an official investigation What? Based on what 39 people think? LMAO, dream on.
You need to actually present something for them to investigate first, and then build some support around that.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
526
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:10:00 -
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Cedille Mureau wrote:Damn, how many times do I have to post this? I don't know. Where is it from?
Moreover, where does it say that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold JAT's rather unrealistic ideal? They represent society's interests GÇö society, as always, being those who choose to vote.
Emphasizing the context of GÇ£the greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥ doesn't lead anywhere until you show any kind of evidence that they're not doing that GÇö what issues have they not addressed in the context of the greater good for the player base?. Also, as Malc points out, that is the work of the CSM GÇö the issue here is their actions in-game, which have nothing to do with that non-sourced quote.
Quote:The CSM is not a vehicle for massaging the egos of its members nor should it be the means whereby a minority of the game gets an unfair advantage. SoGǪ where's the abuse?
What unfair advantage is being gained
Quote:The point being that CCP set up the CSM to represent the whole of the EVE players base and not as has happened to further the aims of a minority who happen to get most of the CSM members elected. What minority aims have been furthered over the majority's?
Who is the majority (and the minority, for that matter)?
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
618
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:10:00 -
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Ignore Tippia, as she is a proven liar. The evidence is in this very thread.
She has 525 likes, not 524.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Darkdell
The Sci-Clone Experiment
13
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:12:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though. But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
Of course he's happy to manipulate the game, he's the leader of the largest aliance in EVE, if he wasn't trying to manipulate the game internally for the benefit of his members then he wouldn't be doing his job.
Eve is about manipulation, power has always been about manipulation. There is nothing to stop me or you deciding that we are going to wage a war of extreme prejudice against spider tanking imacus fleets. The major difference is when the Mittani decides to kill ice miners, for whatever reason, he has an army of players that trust his decisions so they go kill ice miners..or whatever.
If anything most would-be leaders in this game need to look at what The Mittani has achieved and see if there are any lessons they may learn on their chosen path to greatness.
It appears to me that many people miss the beauty and creative freedom of EVE.
And for the record I'm not a Goon or a Goon alt, and yes this is my main.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
526
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:14:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ignore Tippia, as she is a proven liar. The evidence is in this very thread.
She has 525 likes, not 524. It was true when I wrote itGǪ
Dammit, things happen so fast these days. Damn kids! Git off ma' lawn!! 
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
430
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Posted - 2011.10.17 10:19:00 -
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This thread is ****** now.
Tippia is here with "where", "what", "how" and "why" for the next 3 fn pages. 
Enjoy. I'll see ya'll tomorrow.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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