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Just Another Toon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:41:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...
GSF had an exit poll system for the election; I received approximately 1700 votes from within my alliance out of my total of 5365. Sorry to destroy your tinfoil with facts!
lol yeah and the alliance alts...please dont try your manipulation tactics on me - it dont work...
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Ajunyx
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX.
Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:42:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole? The CSM as a whole represents the voting part of the playerbase as a whole. Quote:and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!! Of course not. They didn't vote. No vote = no representation. NO NO the CSM is supposed to be the voice of ALL the players not just those who voted.
Wrong. If you didn't vote your opinion is moot. You had a chance to change the outcome of the election and you ignored it. You don't get the whine about it if you can't be bothered to change it. Again, you can't represent everyone. It's not possible. Real politics don't work this way, why should fictitious internet politics work this way. |
Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
7
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:42:00 -
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Ajunyx wrote:Luckily for the endless multitudes of babies who incessantly whine about the CSM, next year you'll have the opportunity to change the way the CSM is built, and an equal opportunity to whine incessantly about how that CSM isn't representing your interests either.
or you know, they shut up and unsub, or go back to being an indy in highsec, but i realy doubt they will even vote next year, they seem like one of thsoe people that would rather not vote and then complain about who gets elected and then tell all their friends about how the other guy was ebtter (you knw, the other candidate they ddint vote for either?)
i still haven't seen any specific instances of Mittani abusing his CSM position that the fault can't be layed entirely on the victim's naivety and stupidity. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
977
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:42:00 -
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Nyio wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
You also seem to be pretty full of yourself.. And to me that rhymes bad with having a position within the CSM.
Where you find a humble leader, you'll also find your politicians who 'represent everyone'.
Good luck in your search. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
142
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:42:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...
GSF had an exit poll system for the election; I received approximately 1700 votes from within my alliance out of my total of 5365. Sorry to destroy your tinfoil with facts!
and before people accuse TEST of voting for The Mittani: White Tree was our candidate. EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of the CSM got a lot more than just their alliance vote. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
74
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:43:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
So... you're telling me your experiences in DC have greatly helped your success in EVE as a scammer, politician and griefer.
Not surprising.
NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
513
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:43:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:NO NO the CSM is supposed to be the voice of ALL the players not just those who voted. No they're not. They're just an elected representative body like all elected representative bodies GÇö as a whole, they represent the totality of voters, and individually, the represent their respective constituents.
Quote:That is open to all kinds of abuse! So how is it being abused?
Quote:please post the official rule saying this is the case and CSM does not represent the player base as a whole Please post the official rule saying that the CSM is somehow magically different from all other elected representative bodies in the history of mankind and that they must uphold your rather unrealistic idealGǪ
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:43:00 -
[98] - Quote
Ajunyx wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:So your saying the CSM DOES NOT represent the eve player base as a whole? The CSM as a whole represents the voting part of the playerbase as a whole. Quote:and if it does not, then how are all the players in eve being represented? they are not!!! Of course not. They didn't vote. No vote = no representation. NO NO the CSM is supposed to be the voice of ALL the players not just those who voted. Wrong. If you didn't vote your opinion is moot. You had a chance to change the outcome of the election and you ignored it. You don't get the whine about it if you can't be bothered to change it. Again, you can't represent everyone. It's not possible. Real politics don't work this way, why should fictitious internet politics work this way.
WRONG
The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
166
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:43:00 -
[99] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...
GSF had an exit poll system for the election; I received approximately 1700 votes from within my alliance out of my total of 5365. Sorry to destroy your tinfoil with facts! lol yeah and the alliance alts...please dont try your manipulation tactics on me - it dont work...
The exit poll accounted for that. Sorry! |
Ajunyx
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX.
Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:43:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:One of our esteemed CSM's recruting on Something Awful. Quote:
Newbie pro-tip:
You can play EVE for free by buying widgets called 'PLEX' ingame; they're worth a month of subscription time and cost, as of this writing, about 315 million isk.
You can join Goonswarm and instantly turn around and recruitment scam hapless pubbies out of 500m to 1b+ isk on your very first day of playing since the poor fucks are so desperate to get into our alliance (cf. Space Communism, above). We'll teach you how; scamming owns.
One successful scam and bam - you'll never pay for EVE, unlike other MMOs which ding your credit card every month like clockwork. I haven't paid for an EVE subscription in more than a year, and I have four accounts; that'd be 60 bucks a month if I wasn't an honorless griefing metagamer.
Oh no, GSF doesn't teach its newbies about honor and the true pubbie way of life!!!
If you can extract infinite money from the infinitely stupid then you should do it. Lets face it, EVE is blatantly Darwinian in this regard and if you want to deny it then you should probably quit EVE immediately. |
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Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
15
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:44:00 -
[101] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Nyio wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
You also seem to be pretty full of yourself.. And to me that rhymes bad with having a position within the CSM. Where you find a humble leader, you'll also find your politicians who 'represent everyone'. Good luck in your search.
Do you realize that this is basically what ****** (the chancellor of Germany btw 1933 and 1945) was saying ? |
Nex apparatu5
Not a Shell Corp
9
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:44:00 -
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CSM is NOT meant to represent the playerbase as a whole.
CSM is meant to represent the part of the playerbase that cares about the direction of the game, and of the bigger picture.
This is why there are no hisec caebears on the CSM, they only care about their little world.
0.0 players are the ones who vote, and therefore control the CSM.
You don't like it, do something about it.
I think Mittens is awesome. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
979
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:45:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:So... you're telling me your experiences in DC have greatly helped your success in EVE as a scammer, politician and griefer. Not surprising.
Between that, Carl Schmitt and Karl Marx, yep. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
424
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:45:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:People seem really butt hurt over Mittani and Goons. Every week its something new. apparently all you have to do is lightly poke highsec (as a whole) and it turns into literally a bottomless fountain of tears. you should try it.
And the only reason Test is even involved is because G()ns would kick you clean out of Fountain if you do not comply with their demands. How very democratic....
You guys have got strength and some really good people and use it only to follow the Pied Piper.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
7
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:45:00 -
[105] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
WRONG
The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP.
you dont really GET politics or meta-gaming, do you? |
Ajunyx
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX.
Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:46:00 -
[106] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:
WRONG
The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP.
Apparently the greater good of the playerbase was effectively and correctly represented when The Mittani recieved over 5000 votes putting him clearly and stunningly ahead of everyone else in the election. By the very nature of the CSM as a political structure, The Mittani is rightfully the chairman of CSM6. His ability to use his Alliance to torment hisec and the general masses existed long before his election to CSM6, however only now it apparently comes with the tag of 'abusing his privileged.' Heads up: It doesn't. It does in your mind because you want it too.
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:46:00 -
[107] - Quote
Andski wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
Because no one else voted for you. This makes the CSM even more of a joke then...
GSF had an exit poll system for the election; I received approximately 1700 votes from within my alliance out of my total of 5365. Sorry to destroy your tinfoil with facts! lol yeah and the alliance alts...please dont try your manipulation tactics on me - it dont work... The exit poll accounted for that. Sorry!
Are you stupid, you the poll knew all alts of all accounts, and all alts in other corps and alliances affiliated with goon account
Dont talk rubbush...
Your telling me that ccp checked all those 1700 goon accounts to see if they had alts that had voted, and checked if they had seconds and third accounts with alts that voted... yeah ofc course they did.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
513
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:46:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. They are. The problem is that a lot of players couldn't care less about being part of that GÇ£societyGÇ£. That's their problem, not a problem with the CSM
Quote:This requires active engagement with the player community It also requires active engagement from the community to vote in the people who will represent and carry the issues they feel are important.
AlsoGǪNex apparatu5 wrote:CSM is NOT meant to represent the playerbase as a whole.
CSM is meant to represent the part of the playerbase that cares about the direction of the game, and of the bigger picture.
This is why there are no hisec caebears on the CSM, they only care about their little world. GǪthis.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
165
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:46:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though.
On these matters, yes you have and i applaud that. But those were the obvious/easy ones. Besides like i said my main concern is that you are a high-profile alliance leader and wether you want or not, you get exposed to NDA data that might in more cases than not give you an unfair advantages over your adversaries. I.E you might know in advance about a nerf or buff that the NDA forbids you from discussing, but can't keep you from planning in advance with much more time than other alliances.
As an example, right know you might know for a fact that Tech is getting nerf and in what way its getting nerfed, therefore you have much more time to adapt your own alliance than your tech-holding adversaries will have, when that information gets public.
And with you being bound by the NDA, you can do nothing but give your own word that the information you are handling does not give you an unfair advantage.
So again i don't see a problem with you, as a person, being the chairman of the CSM. And i also don't see a problem with you being the fearless leader of Goonswarm. I see a problem with you being both.
Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Ajunyx
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX.
Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:47:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Do you realize that this is basically what ****** (the chancellor of Germany btw 1933 and 1945) was saying ?
:SIREN: GODWIN :SIREN: |
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
979
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:47:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:The Mittani wrote:Nyio wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
You also seem to be pretty full of yourself.. And to me that rhymes bad with having a position within the CSM. Where you find a humble leader, you'll also find your politicians who 'represent everyone'. Good luck in your search. Do you realize that this is basically what ****** (the chancellor of Germany btw 1933 and 1945) was saying ?
My leadership model in Goonswarm is much more based on Stalin. But last week some hisec miner compared me to Osama Bin Laden because I dropped my Brutix on his Mackinaw and blew it up, so I'll accept your insult in the tear-stained spirit of anguish it was given. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:47:00 -
[112] - Quote
Ajunyx wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
WRONG
The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP.
Apparently the greater good of the playerbase was effectively and correctly represented when The Mittani recieved over 5000 votes putting him clearly and stunningly ahead of everyone else in the election. By the very nature of the CSM as a political structure, The Mittani is rightfully the chairman of CSM6. His ability to use his Alliance to torment hisec and the general masses existed long before his election to CSM6, however only now it apparently comes with the tag of 'abusing his privileged.' Heads up: It doesn't. It does in your mind because you want it too.
manipulated by alts...not rocket science. and the rules dont change cos of that - go away goon alt...
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
167
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:48:00 -
[113] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:People seem really butt hurt over Mittani and Goons. Every week its something new. apparently all you have to do is lightly poke highsec (as a whole) and it turns into literally a bottomless fountain of tears. you should try it. And the only reason Test is even involved is because G()ns would kick you clean out of Fountain if you do not comply with their demands. How very democratic.... You guys have got strength and some really good people and use it only to follow the Pied Piper.
TEST are their own alliance - Goonswarm doesn't dictate what they do. |
Ajunyx
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX.
Elite Space Guild
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:49:00 -
[114] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:Ajunyx wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
WRONG
The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the GÇ£greatest good for the greater player baseGÇ¥. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe. It is important to keep in mind that the CSM will not have formal powers within CCP, they will have a voice inside CCP.
Apparently the greater good of the playerbase was effectively and correctly represented when The Mittani recieved over 5000 votes putting him clearly and stunningly ahead of everyone else in the election. By the very nature of the CSM as a political structure, The Mittani is rightfully the chairman of CSM6. His ability to use his Alliance to torment hisec and the general masses existed long before his election to CSM6, however only now it apparently comes with the tag of 'abusing his privileged.' Heads up: It doesn't. It does in your mind because you want it too. manipulated by alts...not rocket science. and the rules dont change cos of that - go away goon alt...
It'd be really cool if you could dismiss legitimate counter-points by just saying 'Goon alt' or something like that but luckily we can't because we're not inherently stupid on a fundamental level. |
Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
7
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:51:00 -
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.........................He didn't do anything wrong.
I'm not even a vet, and I know that Mittani, while he is a complete ass in the game, is a vocal proponent of............. everything that enhances gameplay really.
Scamming with his title, griefing & accomplishing his own ends is exactly what everyone else does, don't make a special plea for CSM personnel. If somebody trusts someone to begin with, they're doing it wrong. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
513
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:52:00 -
[116] - Quote
Just Another Toon wrote:manipulated by alts...not rocket science. and the rules dont change cos of that - go away goon alt. So in other words, you have no proof and no argument, much like you have nothing to indicate that he's abusing his position.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
142
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:52:00 -
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Andski wrote:The Apostle wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:People seem really butt hurt over Mittani and Goons. Every week its something new. apparently all you have to do is lightly poke highsec (as a whole) and it turns into literally a bottomless fountain of tears. you should try it. And the only reason Test is even involved is because G()ns would kick you clean out of Fountain if you do not comply with their demands. How very democratic.... You guys have got strength and some really good people and use it only to follow the Pied Piper. TEST are their own alliance - Goonswarm doesn't dictate what they do.
just to exemplify this with some history:
Remember when the clusterfuck coalition decided to destroy the NC alongside the russians, and how it recently killed Morsus Mihi's attempt at Delve sov? Yeah, that was all Montolio. Goons were actually kinda pissed at us for a little bit over that, but followed us into that war. Goonswarm may be the dominant power in the CFC, but they are not the only driver. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
979
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:54:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:
Are you stupid, you the poll knew all alts of all accounts, and all alts in other corps and alliances affiliated with goon account
Dont talk rubbush...
Your telling me that ccp checked all those 1700 goon accounts to see if they had alts that had voted, and checked if they had seconds and third accounts with alts that voted... yeah ofc course they did.
I'm one of the most well known players in the game, I've written a popular column on Tentonhammer for years, and I have a lot of people who - while they may not like me personally - believe that my particular methods are effective in getting CCP to do what is best for EVE.
If you can't understand that, well - you're probably a victim, the kind of fool who gets scammed out of a supercap.
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Infinimo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:54:00 -
[119] - Quote
lmao 6 likes
unlucky bub |
Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
7
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:manipulated by alts...not rocket science. and the rules dont change cos of that - go away goon alt. So in other words, you have no proof and no argument, much like you have nothing to indicate that he's abusing his position.
i guess "when in doubt, blame it on goon alts" eh? lol
OP should really stop posting and let thread die while they still have SOME respectability (not much, but enough to be redeemed in time) |
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