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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
30
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:43:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Its total abuse of his CSM position GǪhow is his telling the goons to kill people an abuse of his CSM position? As for the scams, why would he be trusted in-game just because of an out-of-game position? Why would I trust the Goon (aka prolific scammer and generally untrustworthy guy, not to mention self-proclaimed spy-master) Mittens just because the Alexander is CSM chair? Out of game position being a member of CSM is an ingame position
How? Expand the thought please.
Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
131
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:43:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:Its total abuse of his CSM position GǪhow is his telling the goons to kill people an abuse of his CSM position? As for the scams, why would he be trusted in-game just because of an out-of-game position? Why would I trust the Goon (aka prolific scammer and generally untrustworthy guy, not to mention self-proclaimed spy-master) Mittens just because the Alexander is CSM chair? Out of game position being a member of CSM is an ingame position
Except all the meetings etc are done out of game, person to person. not avatar to avatar.
if you're getting that line blurred, its time to take a break from the internet. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
513
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:43:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:Out of game position being a member of CSM is an ingame position Ah. I think we've found the source of your confusion and why you accidentally trusted the wrong guy for the wrong reasons.
No.
RL Gëá game.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Varesk
Maelstrom Crew
28
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:44:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:its seems goons are stirring up lots of problems with eve. Firstly he ordered the killing of gallente ice miners and now in C&P more scamming going on, plus the added goon scamming as a whole. Its total abuse of his CSM position, where people will trust him. Its not on nor acceptable. CSM members are seen as people that hold some trust and this should not be allowed by any CSM member when they are in post. Mittani is abusing his power and is not fit to hold this post... Even Vile Rat should be removed too... no wonder eve is dying cos ccp allows stuff like this to happen from the CSM Chair.. Im sure many goons/alts will troll the thread so flame away - sticks and stones, but if you agree +1, i think its about time we stood up to this [email protected]I will also be filing an official petition and also be contacting as many MMO editorials as possible, to give this maximum exposure, on how much this is not right. keep liking guys - even if you dont want to post ...
2/10
it would have been higher on the troll-o-meter but you have posted a lot in this thread.
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Jon Swayne
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:45:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:its seems goons are stirring up lots of problems with eve. Firstly he ordered the killing of gallente ice miners and now in C&P more scamming going on, plus the added goon scamming as a whole. Its total abuse of his CSM position, where people will trust him. Its not on nor acceptable. CSM members are seen as people that hold some trust and this should not be allowed by any CSM member when they are in post. Mittani is abusing his power and is not fit to hold this post... Even Vile Rat should be removed too... no wonder eve is dying cos ccp allows stuff like this to happen from the CSM Chair.. Im sure many goons/alts will troll the thread so flame away - sticks and stones, but if you agree +1, i think its about time we stood up to this [email protected]I will also be filing an official petition and also be contacting as many MMO editorials as possible, to give this maximum exposure, on how much this is not right.
-1
CSM simply represents the playerbase regarding CCP issues and gameplay decisions. Player-generated content that occurs within the rules and overall accepted style of EVE is not a conflict of interest with holding a CSM position. In fact, such behavior could be likened to "I'm a 2-year vet, you should trust me". Again, EVE is a game that is infamous for harboring, if not endorsing, scamming in general, if the only unfair advantage is the victim's own overdeveloped sense of trust and/or being "a moron in a hurry".
You are more than welcome to rant and rave about the price-fixing campaign, but it's no more despicable than the voting blocs that empower the CSM delegates we have now.
All that said, the Goons do write some interesting television... |
Written Word
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
38
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:57:00 -
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Just Another Toon should be removed from the forum.
This is why
1. Bad posting
2. Using the word toon. |
Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
15
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:RL Gëá game.
If only things were so simple ...
Behind each toon, there is a real person. And playing EvE is part of the "real life" of that person. How on earth can one imagine that who that person is in "real life" is not going to influence how he behaves in-game ? By the way, I thought that immersion and role playing were not that central to EvE game-play ...
The question regarding Goons (and many others) is this: Are they having fun playing EvE because:
1. They like piloting ships in space and fighting others and building POSes etc ... (in other words, they have "in-game" reasons for having fun) ?
or
2. They like spoiling the game for other people and making CCP look stupid and maybe bring the whole show to a stop just to show that they can ?
If the real reason why they are having fun playing EvE is option 2. above, it means that their "real life" motivations for playing EvE are stronger than whatever "in game" mask they put on may pretend. And these motivations are neither pretty nor to the advantage of other players. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
135
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:04:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Tippia wrote:RL Gëá game. 1. They like piloting ships in space and fighting others and building POSes etc ... (in other words, they have "in-game" reasons for having fun) ? or 2. They like spoiling the game for other people and making CCP look stupid and maybe bring the whole show to a stop just to show that they can ?
all of the above (except anything to do with a POS, ever). |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
165
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:08:00 -
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The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement.
Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
967
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:10:00 -
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This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
967
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:11:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement.
This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public.
You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though. |
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:11:00 -
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What are CSM supposed to do? Sit in a throne room in a station all day waving politely to the public? |
Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
15
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:12:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Tippia wrote:RL Gëá game. 1. They like piloting ships in space and fighting others and building POSes etc ... (in other words, they have "in-game" reasons for having fun) ? or 2. They like spoiling the game for other people and making CCP look stupid and maybe bring the whole show to a stop just to show that they can ? all of the above (except anything to do with a POS, ever).
Aren't the two contradictory ? (if you bring the game down, you can no longer have fun of the 1. variety ...)
And isn't it a little bit of a conflict of interest, if your goal is option 2. above, to be on the CSM at the same time ? |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:14:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
No they voted for you because you are the alliance leader and you prob offered them free ships or some bribe, the rest of eve did not vote for you.
You represent all that is bad about eve. I dont care if you was the president of the USA. You very essence is about pouring misery on eve players and this is bad for eve. You should not be scamming, and abusing your position. I bet you tell people you are scamming oh dont worry im the CSM Chair...
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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
198
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:15:00 -
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I concur with OP. What Mittani has done, as chairman no less, clearly shows he doesnt take his position seriously and should be voted out. +1
If Women aren't supposed to do the cooking, why are their bodies full of milk and eggs? |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:16:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though.
But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
137
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:17:00 -
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Darius III wrote: I concur with OP. What Mittani has done, as chairman no less, clearly shows he doesnt take his position seriously and should be voted out. +1
lol. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
137
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:17:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:
But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
the ice miners were attacking the ice for their own gain. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
972
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:18:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:
But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason.
So far, so good! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
610
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:20:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
Ah, so you'll have plenty of cheese to enjoy with all these fine whines.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
7
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:20:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:This thread pleases me.
I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.
That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.
As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.
No they voted for you because you are the alliance leader and you prob offered them free ships or some bribe, the rest of eve did not vote for you. You represent all that is bad about eve. I dont care if you was the president of the USA. You very essence is about pouring misery on eve players and this is bad for eve. You should not be scamming, and abusing your position. I bet you tell people you are scamming oh dont worry im the CSM Chair...
honestly, if Mittani WAS the rpesident of the US of A, we prolly wouldnt be all that worse off, hell, we might even be ebtter off, since most of the last 10 or so presidents didnt quite do so well.
and really, i RARELy see goons anywhere except a few roams in providence and the occasional fleet on their way to engage an Atlas./Ev0ke defense fleet, so tell me, how is THAT pouring misery on everyone? and out-of-game i have seen him advocatinga lot fo things that a majority of the more "opinionated" Eve population wants to see change, nerfing alot of blob-incentives is one of those things.
honestly, if you can't provide at elast 3 instances where the Mittani has gone OUT OF HIS WAY to make EVERYONE's lives miserable, dont post.
TL;DR evidence or GTFO |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
610
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:20:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though. But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
Why shouldn't he attack ice miners?
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
23
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:21:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though. But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
What they do? Run over your mothers sisters aunties dog with priceless jewels? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
513
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:21:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:No they voted for you because you are the alliance leader and you prob offered them free ships or some bribe, the rest of eve did not vote for you. Who are GÇ£theyGÇ¥? Goons?
GǪand you're quite wrong about the rest of EVE as well.
Quote:You represent all that is bad about eve. No. Like the man said, he represents war and murder, not safety and weakness. So you got that one quite the wrong way around.
Quote:You very essence is about pouring misery on eve players and this is bad for eve. EVE being a game about misery, pouring it on its players is rather good for the game, you knowGǪ
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:21:00 -
[55] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason. So far, so good!
Mittani, thats all well and good, but you should not be abusing your position to scam people and all the other stuff you stand for. Simple.
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:21:00 -
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Darius III wrote: I concur with OP. What Mittani has done, as chairman no less, clearly shows he doesnt take his position seriously and should be voted out. +1
breaching NDA is A-OK though |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:22:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.
But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement. This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public. You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though. But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you. Why shouldn't he attack ice miners?
Oh god i wondered when you was going to show up, to the usual trolls have posted you, drake, and well others...
+1 for not letting me down..
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Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
15
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:23:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason. So far, so good!
Yeah, the old dream of "killing God" ....
Old boy Nietzsche knew that it was the ultimate thrill. And then some guys in brown (then black) shirts in Germany followed his advice. Lots of good it did them ...
Oh but "GoonWaffe" is an explicit reference to this little jamboree! I beg your pardon. I am preaching to the choir ... |
Caulk H0lster
Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution
1
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:24:00 -
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MAYBE MORE PEOPLE SHOULD VOTE IN THE CSM ELECTIONS AND NOT VOTE FOR GOONS, WHO ARE KNOWN SCAMMERS AND GRIEFERS.
If you wanna blame someone, blame the people who elected him, not The Mittani, he's just doing what he's always done.
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
7
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:25:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:The Mittani wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason. So far, so good! Mittani, thats all well and good, but you should not be abusing your position to scam people and all the other stuff you stand for. Simple.
AND AGAIN, we say, why would you trust ANYONE just because they are in a position of political "power"?
just cause Obama is the president doesn't mean ill lend him my credit card, social security number, and car keys.
he scammed people before he was CSM, scammed people as CSM, and gosh-darnit he will scam people after hes been CSM, anyone foolish enough to expect specific virtues or behaviours from someone simply on the basis of a title deserves to lose what they got. |
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