When the targets who have far too much isk on their ships and no tank fitted go into low sec we will follow.

Instead of picking on people in highsec who can't fight back and don't want to PVP?

I mean, the mining barges, PVE fit ships, etc that get blown up in low/null/wh space aren't anywhere as near as weak and defenseless as the mining barges and PVE ships in highsec, and they totally wanted me to drop a sb gang on them and kill their ship and pod, so it's ok if I gank them in low/null/wh space, but in highsec? Wow thats just griefing basically!


In case you didn't get it, sarcasm. I'm saying this "go to low/null/wh to pvp" line is stupid.

Why would they go down to the roughest corner in town and pick on the tough guys in leather jackets that may have knives and fight back when they can go-round behind the elementary school and kick sand in kids faces and take their lunch money just to laugh at them while they cry?

Why would they go down to the roughest corner in town and pick on the tough guys in leather jackets that may have knives and fight back when they can go-round behind the elementary school and kick sand in kids faces and take their lunch money just to laugh at them while they cry?

well ****, why do you choose to be a kid in an elementary school

I *REALLY* wan't to jump into a Catalyst and blow up a miner now.

Instead of picking on people in highsec who can't fight back and don't want to PVP?

I mean, the mining barges, PVE fit ships, etc that get blown up in low/null/wh space aren't anywhere as near as weak and defenseless as the mining barges and PVE ships in highsec, and they totally wanted me to drop a sb gang on them and kill their ship and pod, so it's ok if I gank them in low/null/wh space, but in highsec? Wow thats just griefing basically!


In case you didn't get it, sarcasm. I'm saying this "go to low/null/wh to pvp" line is stupid.

Instead of picking on people in highsec who can't fight back and don't want to PVP?

I mean, the mining barges, PVE fit ships, etc that get blown up in low/null/wh space aren't anywhere as near as weak and defenseless as the mining barges and PVE ships in highsec, and they totally wanted me to drop a sb gang on them and kill their ship and pod, so it's ok if I gank them in low/null/wh space, but in highsec? Wow thats just griefing basically!


In case you didn't get it, sarcasm. I'm saying this "go to low/null/wh to pvp" line is stupid.

I like the part where you just repeat the exact fallacy my post was mocking.

My point, my dear sweet bear, is that a lot of people who get blown up in low, null and wh space aren't "tough guys in leather jackets that may have knives and fight back". A lot of the people who die in low, null and wh space are EXACTLY as weak and helpless as your sorry little highsec bear ass. Except you don't have a problem with them being on the side of "unfair" and unwanted PVP.

Silly bear.

For them and their low-risk playstyle

I *REALLY* wan't to jump into a Catalyst and blow up a miner now.

I like the part where you just repeat the exact fallacy my post was mocking.

My point, my dear sweet bear, is that a lot of people who get blown up in low, null and wh space aren't "tough guys in leather jackets that may have knives and fight back". A lot of the people who die in low, null and wh space are EXACTLY as weak and helpless as your sorry little highsec bear ass. Except you don't have a problem with them being on the side of "unfair" and unwanted PVP.

Silly bear.

Ganker talking bout low-risk playstyle .... did you forget to put another ''sarcasm offfcourse'' as in the OP below this one ?

What part of concord will kill you, sec loss, open to being attacked from everyone else, not having the cargo/loot drop and having a killright on your head that can be claimed at any time is low risk?

Haha you call that risk ? OW gimme a break ,even if you would do that on your main and a main that is mostly in empire not a null weekend visitor that isn't even a risk.


You guys are so delusional that your playing the tough part of the game it has become sad by now .....

What part of concord will kill you, sec loss, open to being attacked from everyone else, not having the cargo/loot drop and having a killright on your head that can be claimed at any time is low risk?

probably the part where that doesn't apply to your main.

Instead of picking on people in highsec who can't fight back and don't want to PVP?

I mean, the mining barges, PVE fit ships, etc that get blown up in low/null/wh space aren't anywhere as near as weak and defenseless as the mining barges and PVE ships in highsec, and they totally wanted me to drop a sb gang on them and kill their ship and pod, so it's ok if I gank them in low/null/wh space, but in highsec? Wow thats just griefing basically!


In case you didn't get it, sarcasm. I'm saying this "go to low/null/wh to pvp" line is stupid.

Because otherwise they will get their -¦ss kicked in null/low by people who can shoot back.

Because otherwise they will get their -¦ss kicked in null/low by people who can shoot back.

You must be new here.

What part of concord will kill you, sec loss, open to being attacked from everyone else, not having the cargo/loot drop and having a killright on your head that can be claimed at any time is low risk?

I love it when goons try to make ganking sound so dangerous.

I have ganked lots of mining ships on various accounts and I'm nothing but a big cuddly scrub noob carebear.

Lets cover a few of the points you raised.

Open to attack from anybody else.. well nothing like having a few safe spots or a orca ready to poop out a ship that you can jump into and cloak to negate that risk.

Kill right.. let see, if one is made available (which most of the time they aren't) then all you need is a friend\alt in a different corp + 1 noob ship and wave goodbye to the kill right.

Looting the wreck.. not really worth it but again a alt in a insta warp ship will do the trick fine.

So yeah when even a cuddly carebear scrub noob like me can gank people the risk is pretty damn low lol.

I think last time i was -10 it took me a week playing a few hours in the evening to get it back above 1.0 and that was doing it in completely neut null space.Unlike you i couldn't choose from what 4 or 5 regions to safely do my grinding in?

And with that i also risked my clone wich was a full slave set btw and a ship EVEN MORE expensive then a cata .. OMG I KNOW , i must be the king of the risktakers.


Wait wait best part comes .... AND IT SURVIVED till i had to go out of null again BUT the pod was intact.


They should crown me king bigballs and put me as the leader of you guys.I would call you small spaceballs ..... and that shall be thou name till those balls drop in.

There are more things to gank than worthless piece of trash in mining barges.

Unlike most people I don't try and come up with a number of in depth and psychological reasons why I gank people, I do because there are times I enjoy being a **** and because I can, it really is that simple.

We gank because it makes us rich. Its the victims who feel the need to find some psychological flaw that makes us do it.

Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :)

Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :)

Just stop pretending it's more then what it is like baltec does.Now he says ''yeah it's bout profit'' then in another post he'll claim there is no profit's gained as they can't take the loot then in another post it'll be all about teaching people bout high-sec risk ....

Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :)

yep thanks for making it easy

How am I making it easy?

(Beware I am confused easily as I am nothing but a scrub noob cuddly care bear )

But the people in low/null DON'T shoot back. They just dock up. People in highsec seldom check local for baddies/ go afk a lot. Whereas people in low/null dock the moment a non-blue enters system.

Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :)

they have to stay in hi-sec because they are basically pvp carebears

the whole "lowsec/null are for PvP, hisec isn't" mentality is driven by CCP's coddling of the worst players in the game

until that coddling ends and they are less sheltered from the realities of eve that mentality will continue to be prevalent

To all the people discussing the risk (or what you feel is the lack thereof) for gankers/war deccers in highsec, the point I was trying to make in the first part is that in a lot of cases the risk the aggressor faces in low and null is pretty much the same. If a couple of people in stealth bombers go after a ratting bs or a mining barge in low/null the risk the ratter/miner poses to them isn't any greater than a ratter/miner in highsec

Which, to me, makes the "go to low/null" argument feel pretty silly, because being in low/null doesn't inherently make fights any fairer, anymore invited, or anything else.

More than a few highseccers seem to think that everyone in low/null are l33t pvpers who are itching for a fight 23.5/7 - that's not true, there are plenty of carebears there too (search "AFK Cloak" and you'll see just how many...), so to me all areas of space seem pretty much the same: There are soft targets everywhere, people who don't want me to kill them everywhere, people who surprise you and put up a good fight and even win sometimes everywhere, etc

The idea that one part of space is for pvp and another is for pve is wrong. That's not how the mechanics work, it never has been, it never SHOULD be. It's a massive, horrible misunderstanding that some players have.

Dictating the realities of EvE again?

The reality is, CCP cannot survive on alts forever, which means they need to bring in more new players. With the number of griefers in the game, CCP has no choice but to make it harder for them.

Easy to understand for a logical person.....

To all the people discussing the risk (or what you feel is the lack thereof) for gankers/war deccers in highsec, the point I was trying to make in the first part is that in a lot of cases the risk the aggressor faces in low and null is pretty much the same. If a couple of people in stealth bombers go after a ratting bs or a mining barge in low/null the risk the ratter/miner poses to them isn't any greater than a ratter/miner in highsec

Which, to me, makes the "go to low/null" argument feel pretty silly, because being in low/null doesn't inherently make fights any fairer, anymore invited, or anything else.

More than a few highseccers seem to think that everyone in low/null are l33t pvpers who are itching for a fight 23.5/7 - that's not true, there are plenty of carebears there too (search "AFK Cloak" and you'll see just how many...), so to me all areas of space seem pretty much the same: There are soft targets everywhere, people who don't want me to kill them everywhere, people who surprise you and put up a good fight and even win sometimes everywhere, etc

The idea that one part of space is for pvp and another is for pve is wrong. That's not how the mechanics work, it never has been, it never SHOULD be. It's a massive, horrible misunderstanding that some players have.

Dictating the realities of EvE again?

The reality is, CCP cannot survive on alts forever, which means they need to bring in more new players. With the number of griefers in the game, CCP has no choice but to make it harder for them.

Easy to understand for a logical person.....

Dictating the realities of EvE again?

The reality is, CCP cannot survive on alts forever, which means they need to bring in more new players. With the number of griefers in the game, CCP has no choice but to make it harder for them.

Easy to understand for a logical person.....

they have to stay in hi-sec because they are basically pvp carebears

If I wanted to play WoW I'd just go play WoW. It's better at it.

The thing is that, it all boils down to two simple questions:

1- Why do you play Eve? and

2- What is your personnel code of ethics, when playing in an MMO?


Trying to debate on who is right and who is wrong is totally pointless.

The thing is that, it all boils down to two simple questions:

1- Why do you play Eve? and

2- What is your personnel code of ethics, when playing in an MMO?


Trying to debate on who is right and who is wrong is totally pointless.

Instead of picking on people in highsec who can't fight back and don't want to PVP?

[GǪ]

In case you didn't get it, sarcasm. I'm saying this "go to low/null/wh to pvp" line is stupid.

Simple answer, targets in low/null/wh-space shoot back. Those in highsec don't. Why do risky PvP when you've got highsec easy-mode?

Simple answer, targets in low/null/wh-space shoot back. Those in highsec don't. Why do risky PvP when you've got highsec easy-mode?

I have been playing EVE for a little over a week now, and I am a trifle confused by the hostility directed toward players who prefer or only care about PVE. Whenever someone suggests that EVE is boring and merely a spreadsheet simulator, plenty of EVE fans rally in defense of the game and argue that EVE is a sandbox--whatever the player wants it to be. Yet some players, several of whom have posted in this thread, seem focused on the idea that EVE must only be centered on PVP. Is it so hard for those players to accept that others might not actually enjoy PVP, might actually find it boring, and, yes, might actually prefer PVE?

I personally have no interest in the PVP aspect of EVE. Does that mean I should quit the game?

I am not suggesting that those who enjoy PVP should restrict themselves only to mutual PVP. But when players ardently seek to ruin the fun of those who focus on PVE so as to drive them away from the game, a problem exists. Such behavior seems, at least to me, detrimental to the spirit of EVE.

Why do people think they should be exempt from the same rules as everyone else?

You joined a PVP game, don't be shocked that pvp will happen to you.

I have been playing EVE for a little over a week now, and I am a trifle confused by the hostility directed toward players who prefer or only care about PVE. Whenever someone suggests that EVE is boring and merely a spreadsheet simulator, plenty of EVE fans rally in defense of the game and argue that EVE is a sandbox--whatever the player wants it to be. Yet some players, several of whom have posted in this thread, seem focused on the idea that EVE must only be centered on PVP. Is it so hard for those players to accept that others might not actually enjoy PVP, might actually find it boring, and, yes, might actually prefer PVE?

I personally have no interest in the PVP aspect of EVE. Does that mean I should quit the game?

I am not suggesting that those who enjoy PVP should restrict themselves only to mutual PVP. But when players ardently seek to ruin the fun of those who focus on PVE so as to drive them away from the game, a problem exists. Such behavior seems, at least to me, detrimental to the spirit of EVE.

Instead of picking on people in highsec who can't fight back and don't want to PVP?

I mean, the mining barges, PVE fit ships, etc that get blown up in low/null/wh space aren't anywhere as near as weak and defenseless as the mining barges and PVE ships in highsec, and they totally wanted me to drop a sb gang on them and kill their ship and pod, so it's ok if I gank them in low/null/wh space, but in highsec? Wow thats just griefing basically!


In case you didn't get it, sarcasm. I'm saying this "go to low/null/wh to pvp" line is stupid.

I have been playing EVE for a little over a week now, and I am a trifle confused by the hostility directed toward players who prefer or only care about PVE. Whenever someone suggests that EVE is boring and merely a spreadsheet simulator, plenty of EVE fans rally in defense of the game and argue that EVE is a sandbox--whatever the player wants it to be. Yet some players, several of whom have posted in this thread, seem focused on the idea that EVE must only be centered on PVP. Is it so hard for those players to accept that others might not actually enjoy PVP, might actually find it boring, and, yes, might actually prefer PVE?

I personally have no interest in the PVP aspect of EVE. Does that mean I should quit the game?

I am not suggesting that those who enjoy PVP should restrict themselves only to mutual PVP. But when players ardently seek to ruin the fun of those who focus on PVE so as to drive them away from the game, a problem exists. Such behavior seems, at least to me, detrimental to the spirit of EVE.

You clearly did not read my post. I do not have a problem with those who enjoy PVP. Were someone to engage me in PVP, I would have no problem with it. I would actually have fun attempting to escape.

My problem lies in the treatment of EVE by some as merely a PVP game. Tell me, were I to keep one of my characters forever docked in a station and focus purely on the roleplaying and social aspects of the game, would EVE still be a PVP game to me? I think not.

I challenge the notion that EVE must only be about PVP. And I also find it strange that a segment of the game population despises those who only enjoy PVE such that they want and attempt to make them quit.

Saying I dont want to pvp means squat here. I can attack you at any time in space and even reach into stations to get you. This is a PVP game, there is no escaping this fact. You can try to only do pve things but if someone decides they want you dead for whatever reason there is nothing to stop them from attacking you.

Explain this, "Reach into stations."

the whole "lowsec/null are for PvP, hisec isn't" mentality is driven by CCP's coddling of the worst players in the game

until that coddling ends and they are less sheltered from the realities of eve that mentality will continue to be prevalent

Scams, spies, ect.

We dont even need to enter high sec to cause our damage

Well you see, there's this thing called 'Risk vs Reward' that these gankers and activists like to point out in high sec. They pretend they're educating carebears and force them to see that high sec is not safe and that there is risk in EVE. What's really happening is that they are risk adverse themselves and look for the easy and guaranteed kills while rationalizing their actions in a way that seems important.

But yes, high sec does have risks. Gankers and war decs are part of it so get used to it. Low and Null have a purpose but restricting pvp to just those 2 spots is silly.

Instead of picking on people in highsec who can't fight back and don't want to PVP?

I don't think you get piracy.

I challenge the notion that EVE must only be about PVP.

Ok. So describe one thing you can do in EVE that is not PvP.

i bait: spinning your ship in station?

This will just turn out to be another thread of the same extremely loud vocal minhority of carebears spewing hate-filled vitriol.

I think you've got your word-order mixed up, but don't worry, I put it back in sequence.

Considering you lead the anti-carebear brigade, I think I pretty much nailed it.

Considering you lead the anti-carebear brigade, I think I pretty much nailed it.

The thing with you, Baltec1, Andski, and a few others is that you try so hard to paint "carebears" irrelevant that you make it so very obvious in showing how much hate, disdain, and rage you actually feel for them. It's a never ending saga of whine, bitching, and whining. It's actually quite sad.

But you're quite right: these threads do tend to bring out the hate-filled carebear minority in force so they can spew ill-informed vitriol about things they have no idea about but that they'd like to comment on based on fourth-hand myths and misunderstandings.

Spouting lies and hate toward me and others for doing nothing more than correcting wrong assumptions.

You refuse to tolerate these players because they play differently from you. You insist in mocking, degrading, and ridiculing them. Day in and day out you create and support (as in you and your ilk) anti-carebear rants overwhelmingly drowing the one or two OP's created by new players that may have misunderstood the game mechanics. You're so blinded by hate you don't even see that you yourself are that whiner you ***** about. You blame carebears for pretty much everything. You yourself went as insisting these players be banned from the game.

And the problem with you is that since you didn't reason yourself into this anti-carebear ideology you cannot be reasoned out of it. Your loud antagonistic and hateful behavior don't help much either. Unfortunately with you, we just have to let the poison run its course and hope it eventually exits the system without causing too much damage while attempting to control the symptoms (i.e. anti-carebear lies and deception you spew).

By far, this game has the loudest, rudest, hate-filled anti-carebear minority that I have encountered in any game.

Is that what you do?

:watching grown men cry:

Yes.

Even after 15 months I am still giving out advice on how to avoid being ganked by us, dispite the hate I get from bears.

I've seen some of the advice you give to carebears, and I have to say, it's far from "advice".

You call that crying? You show how much more you act like a child with comments like that. But, good for you if this turns you on I suppose.

I'm always amazed at how aggressive and nasty carebears get on these forums.

Are you kidding? I've already packed my stomach full of Justin Bieber sploooge and I'm ready to go. I'll be departing Farpoint Station at 3pm Turkmenistan time to deliver the perfect child.

Ok. So describe one thing you can do in EVE that is not PvP.

I just find it unusual that some players, and I am posting this for the third time in this thread, do not engage in PVP against unwilling targets because they find it fun but because they dislike the way their targets play the game and want to attempt to force them to quit the game.

What part of concord will kill you, sec loss, open to being attacked from everyone else, not having the cargo/loot drop and having a killright on your head that can be claimed at any time is low risk?

I already described "one thing" in an earlier post. Someone who chooses to play the game merely for social/roleplay reasons can operate in such a way that PVP is never encountered.

But let's be real. Regardless of what I mention, you are going to do the mental gymnastics necessary to make it somehow governed by PVP.

Would it shock you to learn that the entirety of time I have spent on EVE has been spent alone on PVE? Sure players like you may attempt, and likely succeed, at destroying my ship in high-sec, but I don't view that as PVP. I merely view that as an extension of PVE within which I am tasked with finding ways to survive while doing my own thing.

You seem to be mistaking my views on PVP. Whatever someone wants to do when it comes to PVP, or however a person chooses to define PVP, I don't care. I am not going to let it impact me. I just find it unusual that some players, and I am posting this for the third time in this thread, do not engage in PVP against unwilling targets because they find it fun but because they dislike the way their targets play the game and want to attempt to force them to quit the game.

CONCORD blowing up your ship and issuing a sec status penalty (which is a bit of a joke to start with) are not part of "risk" they are part of "known cost". The part about being GCC flagged is a 15 minute timeout penalty during which you can go park in any NPC station (because again, sec status and GCC are a bit of a joke). The kill rights are a bit of a joke too, if the victim sets that kill right to be claimable by anybody.

You already know that very few carebears will strike back using the kill rights that they have obtained. If the kill rights are made publicly claimable, you can get your friend to claim the kill right and blow you up while you are flying something worthless (such as a rookie ship).

So what is the "risk" in suicide ganking in hisec? Only the potential financial loss if the reward you are expecting from the gank attempt doesn't arrive: whether that be the T2 ice harvesters or the carebear tears in local.

Simple answer, targets in low/null/wh-space shoot back. Those in highsec don't. Why do risky PvP when you've got highsec easy-mode?

You refuse to tolerate these players because they play differently from you. You insist in mocking, degrading, and ridiculing them. Day in and day out you create and support (as in you and your ilk) anti-carebear rants overwhelmingly drowing the one or two OP's created by new players that may have misunderstood the game mechanics. You're so blinded by hate you don't even see that you yourself are that whiner you ***** about. You blame carebears for pretty much everything. You yourself went as far as insisting these carebear players and their corps be banned from the game.

And the problem with you is that since you didn't reason yourself into this anti-carebear ideology you cannot be reasoned out of it. Your loud antagonistic and hateful behavior doesn't help much either. Unfortunately with you and everyone else, we just have to let the poison run its course and hope it eventually exits the system without causing too much damage while attempting to control the symptoms (i.e. anti-carebear lies and deception you spew).

By far, this game has the loudest, rudest, hate-filled anti-carebear minority that I have encountered in any game.

[quote=baltec1]So what is the "risk" in suicide ganking in hisec? Only the potential financial loss if the reward you are expecting from the gank attempt doesn't arrive: whether that be the T2 ice harvesters or the carebear tears in local.

You should see some of the stuff they send me in game.

This is the major risk in highsec, failure of investment. So how about we add more general risk to highsec.

So we call it punishment and risk given that we stay -10 while ganking.

Some of the most racist, homophobic and generally hateful things I've ever read on the internet have come directly from a freshly exploded mission runner. Specifically mission runners too, not miners, not incursioneers (who tend to just be self-important blowhards more than anything) nor industrialists.

The failure to produce tears or loot is only a concern to gankers looking for profitable ganks.

Gankers who are only after the joy of pretty explosions are never dissatisfied, thus there is no risk since there will always be explosions.

You refuse to tolerate these players because they play differently from you. You insist in mocking, degrading, and ridiculing them. Day in and day out you create and support (as in you and your ilk) anti-carebear rants overwhelmingly drowing the one or two OP's created by new players that may have misunderstood the game mechanics. You're so blinded by hate you don't even see that you yourself are that whiner you ***** about. You blame carebears for pretty much everything. You yourself went as far as insisting these carebear players and their corps be banned from the game.

And the problem with you is that since you didn't reason yourself into this anti-carebear ideology you cannot be reasoned out of it.

Your loud antagonistic and hateful behavior doesn't help much either-áexist

Someone who chooses to play the game merely for social/roleplay reasons can operate in such a way that PVP is never encountered.

Would it shock you to learn that the entirety of time I have spent on EVE has been spent alone on PVE?

What risk is there, since you have already mitigated all the dangers? What punishment is there, since you view -10 flashy red as a status badge?

None of the game mechanics actually work as punishment or disincentive to gank

You didn't read the OP, did you?

Of course, this response is to the question in the title.

So you're talking about using the game as absolutely nothing other than as a chat program. You never undock; you never trade; you never use any ships; the only window you ever use is a couple of chat channels where you only talk in friendly terms with other players.

Because that's just the thing: the moment you do anything else than chat a bit, you are engaging in PvP due to the core design of the game GÇö you simply cannot avoid it

So at that point, I really have to ask: if that's the GǣgameplayGǥ you're after, why are you spending $15 a month and downloading double-digit gigabytes of worthless sound and visual assets, when what you're looking for is mIRC? It's less than 2MB and sets you back less than the $20 for the rest of your lifeGǪ

Would it shock you to learn that all that team has provided is PvP, just like everything else in EVE?

That's one example, yes. A simple example, admittedly, but nevertheless a valid example.

But I can avoid it.

PVP is incredibly boring in EVE. Why are you spending $15 a month on it/choosing to invest time in it?
See what I did there?

My entire presence in this thread has been to point out the cognitive dissonance that some people exhibit when they suggest that EVE may be whatever someone wants it to be, while at the same time attempting to make people who do not play a certain way quit the game.

Sorry, but I do not understand what you are asking in your question.

You forgot a big one.

With those restrictions you could still bump people.

I think you could still run missions as long as you popped or salvaged all your own wrecks before they could be taken or salvaged by anyone else, never spent the money, never used the standings or LP, and never sold the loot or spent the money.

What risk is there, since you have already mitigated all the dangers? What punishment is there, since you view -10 flashy red as a status badge?

None of the game mechanics actually work as punishment or disincentive to gank, which is obvious since your corporation's purpose for existence is to suicide gank. You've got fittings and procedures to follow for optimum gankage, including profit/loss analysis and forums full of pubbie tears copypasta.

The only reason there is any risk is because you set out to run suicide gank fleets as an income stream or to support your existing income stream.

If you weren't so focussed on profits, you'd be happily suicide ganking without any concern about what loot dropped.

"Why don't gankers and war deccers just go to low/null/wh space????"
Because players in low/null/sov/wh will shoot back. Hell, they're more likely to shoot first. Gankers want easy peasy, not malis from Pend Insurance.

You should see some of the stuff they send me in game.

Why don't gankers and war deccers just go to low/null/wh space????

Nah. That would deprive others of bounties, sec status, loot, salvage and other contestable assets.

GǪyou mean the thing that has a counter, and which people use to measure epeen boredom with? Nah.

When the targets who have far too much isk on their ships and no tank fitted go into low sec we will follow.

Instead of picking on people in highsec who can't fight back and don't want to PVP?

I mean, the mining barges, PVE fit ships, etc that get blown up in low/null/wh space aren't anywhere as near as weak and defenseless as the mining barges and PVE ships in highsec, and they totally wanted me to drop a sb gang on them and kill their ship and pod, so it's ok if I gank them in low/null/wh space, but in highsec? Wow thats just griefing basically!


In case you didn't get it, sarcasm. I'm saying this "go to low/null/wh to pvp" line is stupid.

Poor quality trolling.

Please stop.

Instead of picking on people in highsec who can't fight back and don't want to PVP?

I mean, the mining barges, PVE fit ships, etc that get blown up in low/null/wh space aren't anywhere as near as weak and defenseless as the mining barges and PVE ships in highsec, and they totally wanted me to drop a sb gang on them and kill their ship and pod, so it's ok if I gank them in low/null/wh space, but in highsec? Wow thats just griefing basically!


In case you didn't get it, sarcasm. I'm saying this "go to low/null/wh to pvp" line is stupid.

because people actually shoot back
can you imagine that when you try to gank someone in low sec and they actually shoot back where is CCP taking this game I demand that CCP nerf low sec so i can grief low sec and nullsec dwwellers aswell

Yet when folk do fit a tank, you then whinge that it costs too much to gank them.

I like it how most (it seems) think we-¦re all looking for good fightes o_O

Def. of GF:
U dead, me alive.

Yet when folk do fit a tank, you then whinge that it costs too much to gank them.

Close. We're bothered when CCP fits the tank for them, since they refuse to.

Wrong.

I am assuming you are mistaking my complaints about the macks base tank which is causing balance issues with the other exhumers.

So, you will opposed to CCP gifting null-sec better production facilities, as some null-sec folk think the present arrangement is just too much like hard work for them.

I look forward to CCP making the other exhumers tougher in line with the Mackinaw to keep the balance right.

I look forward to CCP making the other exhumers tougher in line with the Mackinaw to keep the balance right.

Instead of picking on people in highsec who can't fight back and don't want to PVP?

I mean, the mining barges, PVE fit ships, etc that get blown up in low/null/wh space aren't anywhere as near as weak and defenseless as the mining barges and PVE ships in highsec, and they totally wanted me to drop a sb gang on them and kill their ship and pod, so it's ok if I gank them in low/null/wh space, but in highsec? Wow thats just griefing basically!


In case you didn't get it, sarcasm. I'm saying this "go to low/null/wh to pvp" line is stupid.

The honest answer is that it's because they are cowards. They'd get their arses handed to them in Low/Null, so they stay in High where they can have easy victories and feel like men. They will dress it up any number of ways, but that's the reality.

....It is impossible to compete with high sec industry. It is entirely possible to tank a barge to be unprofitable to gank.

The honest answer is that it's because they are cowards. They'd get their arses handed to them in Low/Null, so they stay in High where they can have easy victories and feel like men. They will dress it up any number of ways, but that's the reality.

Sigh. You're kind of missing the point. I'm saying that plenty of the "fights" in low/null are basically just one sided, low-risk ganks the same as what happens in highsec, yet when it's done in low/null you accept it, but when it's done in high you start ranting about them being "cowards" or whatever other crap to make yourself feel superior.

Why do so many people think it is fine to gank fairly weak and helpless miners or ratters in low/null, but not in highsec?

The honest answer is that it's because they are cowards. They'd get their arses handed to them in Low/Null, so they stay in High where they can have easy victories and feel like men. They will dress it up any number of ways, but that's the reality.

I felt insulted and was about to say "This will be dealt with".

I felt insulted and was about to say "This will be dealt with". Then i watched your lossboard and left satisfied. Someone else allready took care about your corp. Is it possible that your rant is fueled by butthurtness?

Btw, just because i think you might want to be interrested in bulk-charon-deals: WTS Charons.

Stop trying to justify yourself. You're lily-livered, we get it.

And I expect most people don't think it's fine to gank weak and helpless miners. It's just griefing. Most people would agree consensual PVP in Low/Null is fine, but that's not the same thing is it?

I can attack you at any time in space and even reach into stations to get you.

just stupid.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14747145

EDIT: I agree with my mate StoneCold... John Ratcliffe needs to be dealt with and will be... soon.tm

Well when you finish giving your 'mate' a reach around, come find us in Poinen. There's 3 of us, so bring equal numbers if you're not a clown shoes. Anytime after 2030 BST.

Well when you finish giving your 'mate' a reach around, come find us in Poinen. There's 3 of us, so bring equal numbers if you're not a clown shoes. Anytime after 2030 BST.

At some point grandeur is really close to stupidity .....

I'm unsure if you know kane ... if you did you'd know he is not one shy of bringing equal or lower numbers.Let's just say he knows the pvp game better then most.

That said it is funny kane that this ''needs to be dealt with'' because ''oh my somoene talked bad about high sec gankers/greifers'' on the public forums .

This ain't high school son ....

Well when you finish giving your 'mate' a reach around, come find us in Poinen. There's 3 of us, so bring equal numbers if you're not a clown shoes. Anytime after 2030 BST.

I'm unsure if you know kane ... if you did you'd know he is not one shy of bringing equal or lower numbers.Let's just say he knows the pvp game better then most

A Retriever... no. That is why you use a Procurer.

The harshest lessons are the best remembered. Weren't you a n00b once?

Newbies don't fly around in pimped out 3 billion isk mission running ships.

Baddies do that.

Newbies don't fly around in pimped out 3 billion isk mission running ships.

Everyone was a noob once. however, noobs donGÇÖt fly round in 3.8 billion isk mission Ravens, only older players can afford that.

You got smacked because you werenGÇÖt paying attention and lost a bling boat, so you thought youGÇÖd come here and throw ad hominem attacks at members of the forum. All you are doing is proving the OP correct.

Of course they do. Well, IRL financially comfortable n00bs do.

Of course they do. Well, IRL financially comfortable n00bs do.

So you bought that amount of plex to bling out your mission boat, and ignore the pop up box about going into low sec?

Everyone was a noob once. however, noobs donGÇÖt fly round in 3.8 billion isk mission Ravens, only older players can afford that.

You got smacked because you werenGÇÖt paying attention and lost a bling boat, so you thought youGÇÖd come here and throw ad hominem attacks at members of the forum. All you are doing is proving the OP correct.

No, baddies who think this game is pay-to-win do.

I'm glad better players separated you not only with your isk but with real life money.

Pff who needs to actually learn how to play a game when you can just throw money at it and expect to win?

I felt insulted and was about to say "This will be dealt with". Then i watched your lossboard and left satisfied. Someone else allready ...

So you bought that amount of plex to bling out your mission boat, and ignore the pop up box about going into low sec?

Not wishing to go off on a tangent, but how exactly are they better? I CBA looking at the KM again, but there were 4 or 5 IIRC - if they were better why not just attack me 1v1? Because they didn't want to lose of course.

Better my arse.

Oh, and FYI, I don't think this game is 'Pay to Win', but if I can do anything to make my Care Bear or PVP life more comfortable then I'll do it. Don't be mad because you're poor, it's very distasteful

please record this encounter, i'd be ever so interested in watching it.

it's always good to be satisfied by something (done by others) when you have nothing to be satisfied from your personal achievements....

question is: is it something you can be proud of?

Its no wonder EVE eats so many WoW players alive.

Not wishing to go off on a tangent, but how exactly are they better? I CBA looking at the KM again, but there were 4 or 5 IIRC - if they were better why not just attack me 1v1? Because they didn't want to lose of course.

Better my arse.

Oh, and FYI, I don't think this game is 'Pay to Win', but if I can do anything to make my Care Bear or PVP life more comfortable then I'll do it. Don't be mad because you're poor, it's very distasteful

Bloating about spending a lot of rl cash on this game in particular usually is not the best approach here.But seeing as your on a roll making yourself a target i'd say carry on , we allready passed that point of no return a few posts back .

Not wishing to go off on a tangent, but how exactly are they better? I CBA looking at the KM again, but there were 4 or 5 IIRC - if they were better why not just attack me 1v1? Because they didn't want to lose of course.

Oh, and FYI, I don't think this game is 'Pay to Win', but if I can do anything to make my Care Bear or PVP life more comfortable then I'll do it. Don't be mad because you're poor, it's very distasteful

the main problem of Eve Online (IMO) is: to be successful in EVe Online you need to be coward (evading losses), trustless (corp/alliance theft), choose weakest (killmails don't smell) and all such stuff.

lmao, I love this guy. Boasting about how much money he has in real life (and throwing more insults my way, as if he knows how wealthy I am) and topping it off with calling me distasteful. If anything's distasteful mate it's waving around your disposable income as if it makes you superior.

PS: How much money you have doesn't somehow make stupid actions less stupid.

the main problem of Eve Online (IMO) is: to be successful in EVe Online you need to be coward (evading losses), trustless (corp/alliance theft), choose weakest (killmails don't smell) and all such stuff.

the main problem of Eve Online (IMO) is: to be successful in EVe Online you need to be coward (evading losses), trustless (corp/alliance theft), choose weakest (killmails don't smell) and all such stuff.

Well you can allways play the market.


That way you can be succesfull yet keep that e--honour intact ...

It helps to not mock around but make "friends" or find people to actually teach you stuff.

wake me up when you actually have something to say and not only trying to look smart

Like wolves we hunt there where our prey goes...

CCP are nerfing the macks tank this summer.

Well done. Your constant whining (along with other pixel hard-men) about the cost of ganking seems to have paid off.