grow a brain then we can talk ok?

Yes, you must wait for an incursion to show up deep within the blue ass of a large alliance, where you don't see hostiles for weeks on end. Lowsec and npc null is clearly too unsafe for whiny nullbear.

Conversely, in highsec, you just AFK your ship to the incursion constellation without having to worry about the locals, and have a large and active community of people looking to run sites on tap; near-instant access and no hassle.

Safety has nothing to do with it; the key points are practicality and convenience. It can take several weeks for an incursion to spawn in a nearby area of lowsec/NPC 0.0, and even if one spawns, you'd need a dedicated group of incursion-running people within your corp/alliance to take advantage of one. To put that last point into perspective, the TEST/goon lowsec incursion groups tend not to attract more than 30-odd guys, from a coaltion of multiple tens of thousands; organizing a fleet from within a smaller corp/alliance is much more challenging. Conversely, in highsec, you just AFK your ship to the incursion constellation without having to worry about the locals, and have a large and active community of people looking to run sites on tap; near-instant access and no hassle.

Where do you afk your ship? I have a supply of 1400mm apocs parked one jump from Narija. Was wondering how to get rid of it.

And it is clearly highsec incursion runners' fault that goons aren't willing to run sites, or that nullsec is sparsely populated. How about you make your space NRDS

if you include all the time you spend waiting for an incursion to show up in friendly space you make about 13k per hour...

Therein lies the problem. Incursions themselves are balanced just fine, it's the inability to summon them in space you own that's the problem. Also ammzi's numbers are a tad conservative IMO, a fleet of zealots/t3s can clear an NCO in 3 minutes, and without the hundreds of people competing for sites you could definitely run them non-stop for at least a good few hours, pulling in a good 250-300 an hour, before factoring in LP.

"Summoning" full payment incursions into backwater systems tucked deep inside the blue ass of large alliance where you don't see hostiles for weeks on end, for the sole purpose of private farming and harvest of mom bpc at the end... This is sov null whiner's idea of "fairness." Anything else is clearly unfair, and will prompt drama + whine, the chief export of sov null aside from moon goo.

Better yet, make incursions into free afk gold, just like moon goo.

Safety has nothing to do with it; the key points are practicality and convenience. It can take several weeks for an incursion to spawn in a nearby area of lowsec/NPC 0.0, and even if one spawns, you'd need a dedicated group of incursion-running people within your corp/alliance to take advantage of one. To put that last point into perspective, the TEST/goon lowsec incursion groups tend not to attract more than 30-odd guys, from a coaltion of multiple tens of thousands; organizing a fleet from within a smaller corp/alliance is much more challenging. Conversely, in highsec, you just AFK your ship to the incursion constellation without having to worry about the locals, and have a large and active community of people looking to run sites on tap; near-instant access and no hassle.

You're also saying that BECAUSE highsec pilots care to actually put in effort to organize large channels and communities THEY should be punished/nerfed because they are actually putting some hard work into it.
Why? Well because nullsec bears who can't be freaking arsed to set up an operation out of their multi-thousand player alliance/blues to go and earn almost double of what highsec incursion runners are earning.
Right, nerf somebody else so you don't feel so bad? Why should I be surprised? That's how EVE seems to work anyway.

Right, who doesn't AFK pilot their multibillion faction battleship/t3 20-30 jumps in highsec for an incursion? I mean it's not like some silly gang of battleships are gonna gank you in a 0.5 system to get all your juicy loot while your hardeners are off and you have **** defense... right?
If you think that was too sarcastic well then cry me a river.

You're also saying that BECAUSE highsec pilots care to actually put in effort to organize large channels and communities THEY should be punished/nerfed because they are actually putting some hard work into it.
Why? Well because nullsec bears who can't be freaking arsed to set up an operation out of their multi-thousand player alliance/blues to go and earn almost double of what highsec incursion runners are earning.
Right, nerf somebody else so you don't feel so bad? Why should I be surprised? That's how EVE seems to work anyway.

why would I tell you?

Therein lies the problem. Incursions themselves are balanced just fine, it's the inability to summon them in space you own that's the problem. Also ammzi's numbers are a tad conservative IMO, a fleet of zealots/t3s can clear an NCO in 3 minutes, and without the hundreds of people competing for sites you could definitely run them non-stop for at least a good few hours, pulling in a good 250-300 an hour, before factoring in LP.

And no, I'm not saying highsec pilots should be punished, I'm saying it's silly to point to the 50% greater payouts of low/nullsec incursions as a justification for highsec payouts while ignoring the orders-of-magnitude difference in convenience and accessibility of the two. As it happens, I do think highsec VGs should be nerfed - they've more or less become the de facto standard against which other means of earning individual income by shooting red crosses are compared, and are sufficiently lucrative to have drawn people away from alternative activities in lowsec, 0.0, and W-space. I think that's pretty daft, but that's not going to keep me from abusing it while it lasts.

Fact is, Mission runners can sit in their little bubble all day, running lvl 4's with 2-3 accounts spinning themselves a nice amount of isk.

They don't depend on anyone else, they have no major risk to their ships and they certainly have no worries of griefers. (unless they are stupid enough to shoot on a ninja looter)

Incursion runners, such as myself have to worry about all of these things, they have to take calculated risks and put trust in other people. They have to work together in order to remain alive, never mind efficient at making isk.

If a mission runner is having a bad day it's because he got some **** loot in his missions or his agent is giving him crap.

I've lost over 10 billion isk worth in a blink of an eye on more than one occasion in incursions so don't you dare say there's no risk cos I will perma-dec your mission running *** ass and show you real isk at the end of my 1400's!

Incursion runners, such as myself have to worry about all of these things, they have to take calculated risks and put trust in other people. They have to work together in order to remain alive, never mind efficient at making isk.

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I've lost over 10 billion isk worth in a blink of an eye on more than one occasion in incursions so don't you dare say there's no risk cos I will perma-dec your mission running *** ass and show you real isk at the end of my 1400's!

There is no meaningful risk whatsoever in highsec incursion-running; if you somehow managed to lose 10b in them, you're ... a very special person. Congratulations!

So the argument is no longer that incursions are killing LP stores, but that people are whining that high sec incursions generate too much isk? Got it.

You missed the point. It's that certain retards cannot get fleet invite with their failfits, and is butthurt about it, thus they came to the forums to troll about it. "Too much isk" only applies when they can't earn it.

My 10bill isk grief/loss was replaced in a matter of days, cos that's how I role

I've actually started doing more Assault sites, and less of the VG grinding. It's more enjoyable and a more relaxed pace, less rushing into sites because you're competing against half a dozen fleets in one system. even if the isk/hour ratio is a bit slower.

My 10bill isk grief/loss was replaced in a matter of days, cos that's how I role

I've actually started doing more Assault sites, and less of the VG grinding. It's more enjoyable and a more relaxed pace, less rushing into sites because you're competing against half a dozen fleets in one system. even if the isk/hour ratio is a bit slower.

It's more enjoyable and a more relaxed pace, less rushing into sites because you're competing against half a dozen fleets in one system. even if the isk/hour ratio is a bit slower.

3000 isk per LP

BWAHAHAHAHAHA that is some funny ******* ****.