imo this is happening.
Concord lp should not be exhangable for empire at all.

also ccp should nerf high sec incursion rewards by 50% isk and lp.

Agree on all accounts.

However following this post, you will hear from a bunch of incursion pubbies who "risk" a lot in their terribly difficult high sec incursions and that the reward is just fine.

everyone knows there is HUGE amounts of nearly no risk in vanguards which is where the lp and isk come from.

I my self have done high sec incursions. 100+m isk an hour. lp to exchange even at 80% trade with any empire corp. was far too easy mind you my main is a 75m sp char.

the only time incursiosn have any sort of risk is in low sec and or null sec.

imo this is happening.
Concord lp should not be exhangable for empire at all.

also ccp should nerf high sec incursion rewards by 50% isk and lp.

everyone knows there is HUGE amounts of nearly no risk in vanguards which is where the lp and isk come from.

I my self have done high sec incursions. 100+m isk an hour. lp to exchange even at 80% trade with any empire corp. was far too easy mind you my main is a 75m sp char.

the only time incursiosn have any sort of risk is in low sec and or null sec.

Vanguards are easier, but you are understating the risk in incursions. There is risk in assaults and headquarter sites, and it takes a lot more coordination to run those. Not to mention having a live event open up on you.

Also where is it written that making 100 mil per hour in highsec is wrong? My alt in 0.0 easily exceeds that amount, and I know traders/builders in highsec that easily break 100 mil per hour played?

Lastly, lets say you get your wish. Lets say all rewards in highsec incursions are nerfed by a factor of 100. So that instead of getting 100 mil per hour, you were getting 1 mil. Remember that's a rate, and some hours you won't make that. Do you think people will run highsec incursions at all?

If it's so outlandish, everybody get a bling ship and run them. Earn this 100+ mil per hour that keeps getting quoted. Gangs form all the time in incursion zones, or better yet get a bunch of corpies and run them together (which is the purpose of an MMO), if everyone's making that income it's not outlandish, but simply the norm.

No, its still outlandish, the same way that lvl 4 missions were long considered (and still are by some) to provide way too high of isk/hr for high sec. Just because everyone's doing it, does not mean its okay...

This sounds like just the opposite of Carebear tears... *sob* those incursion runners aren't coming through my lowsec gate camp so I can't gank them *sob sob*. It's not fair that they can make so much in highsec.. It's just not fair I tell you!

I say make Vanguard incursions easier. They should be so easy, you can do it with small gangs of Velators armed with civ guns. Pay should be increased 100 fold. Crash the market of CN Ballistic mods and let that ***** market burn!

They need to decrease the risk of the game and make it more rewarding, cause it pisses one group of people off! If someone else gets mad, hey it means the other guy wins...amirite? U mad bros? Can't get your cheap ass cruisers to aggres smart people flying way over expensive ships once they know how to game the system and avoid the ones flipping cans then asking for repairs from logistics to pass on the aggression, just as much as you game it by hulk bashing a 200m ship with 20m worth of BC or aim for expensive mission ships (ever heard of a PVE fit ship winning? I haven't) cause the guy stupidly shot back at you after you baited with a vigil so you come tear assing back in a BC, T3, or T2 ship moaning like a **** star in climax of the killmail. Risk, Pfft! Its the aggressive side players whining at the passive side players, just as much as the passive side that whines about something being done to buff hulks, CONCORD, whatever!!!! and you just throw out some stupid response thats "Tears!" cause we are all a bunch of whiney hairless apes that cannot get along with anyone and hate the other guy from the choices of how he plays the game to the way he parts his hair that deserves a wardec over it!

Incursions are content that you have to be at the keyboard to complete - in that they're a clear improvement over missions/mining.

If you think rewards for them are too high, get a fleet together and finish the Moms as soon as they spawn - you can only make those 100mil isk per hour when an incursion is up, so if you keep the incursion community from farming them, problem solved.

whine

Uh uh!! I just found the golden egg.
Quoting soundwave here:

"We purposely made this very rewarding. We didn't want a situation where agent missions f.x. were out competing this feature.
We did raise the bar relatively high, it is possible to earn a load of isk with this, but that was also the intention when we wrote the reward list. "

39 min. 00 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCf6pXHBFRM

In other words, rewards in incursions. Working as intended.

imo this is happening.
Concord lp should not be exhangable for empire at all.

also ccp should nerf high sec incursion rewards by 50% isk and lp.

Group PvE done decently pays as well or better than solo PvE done extraordinarily. Working as intended.

I don't do incursions, but I did a few live events, and there were MANY loses.

Are incursion in HS no risk? you can just afk them?

u mad bro?



Working as intended.

Making 100mil/hr from PvE in high sec is a bad thing. Why go to low sec for a bit more reward when you can have fat 100/hr risk free reward in high sec? There is already too little incentive to make money in low sec. Incursions just exacerbated that problem.

The biggest risk with high sec incursions is playing with people in the fleet you don't know.

There are many greifers that go to incursions, use the public incursion channel to invite them, and then get their fleet killed intentionally.
Or, they use the public incursion channel to try and get an invite.
*but they first have an alt/friend get aggro on them
*then they cap chain with the fleet and have the aggro spread.
*Then they bring in their gank squad.

or....

The logi's just suck

I once had my nightmare get down to 43% hull, despite having all my resists over 76% and 3 logi, because the logi were slow/didn't prioritize repairs/ had their head up their asses.

So.... incursions do carry risk, in that you will easily die if your other fleet members aren't competent, and they require the use of mechanics that can spread aggro*

*I think this mechanic needs to be fixed, a warning should pop up when you send cap/shield to someone who has an aggro timer, just like when you send to someone who is wardec'd.


I'm less worried about what it does to LP store profits, than what its doing to the value of ISK - massive inflation methinks

Goose99, you beat me to it!
Let me quote CCP again.

"We purposely made this very rewarding. We didn't want a situation where agent missions f.x. were out competing this feature.
We did raise the bar relatively high, it is possible to earn a load of isk with this, but that was also the intention when we wrote the reward list. "

Uh uh!! I just found the golden egg.
Quoting soundwave here:

"We purposely made this very rewarding. We didn't want a situation where agent missions f.x. were out competing this feature.
We did raise the bar relatively high, it is possible to earn a load of isk with this, but that was also the intention when we wrote the reward list. "

39 min. 00 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCf6pXHBFRM

In other words, rewards in incursions. Working as intended.
Vanguards being most popular, NOT working as intended. According to CCP statements.

And regarding with CCP. Yes, it has and still is troublesome especially in regards to the influence being so easily to remove from the incursion. I have stated this before and will do it again: A new highsec incursion will ONLY take 4 hours to get to 100 % influence and then be killed off.
It is far from ideal and this is why the community has established these agreements where pilots have agreed to hands off the mothership until a certain requirement is fulfilled (the game mechanics: Withdrawing of an Incursion).

What I would really like is for a dynamic incursion respawn algorithm. Just like the agreement has been dynamic and changing through time in regards to the population of the incursion community and unforseen factors I believe the algorithm for when an incursion is to spawn has to be dynamic and adapting as well.

Of course I am speaking blindly here since I have no knowledge of how this algorithm is set up or if it's not even automatic but manually by a GM.
If we could have the algorithm (or an algorithm) to accommodate for participants in an incursion, distance from popular trade hubs, etc. it would be less crowded and more comfortable to run incursions with your fleet.
Example given. The player population (amount online) varies from month to month in regards to vacations, holidays etc. If we could include a variable for participants in an incursion to trigger another one elsewhere it would be possible to lessen the strain in one constellation to others and thereby allow for more players and even younger players to participate and have a share of the cake.