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Mejare	Posted - 2005.09.23 05:13:00 - [1] Hey, what's up with the character sheet being down? -Mejare
Ticondrius	Posted - 2005.09.23 05:29:00 - [2] Uhh..yeah. Unnerf EVE Char Manager please.
Takigama	Posted - 2005.09.23 05:33:00 - [3] Edited by: Takigama on 23/09/2005 05:33:38 anyone hear anything about why its down???
SirTodge	Posted - 2005.09.23 05:35:00 - [4] man down :( means ill have to check em all whne i get home from my night shift. i THINK one of my characters will need a new skill to do but i cant bloody remember lol ----------------------------------------------

kieron	Posted - 2005.09.23 14:43:00 - [5] The load generated by the character manager service was causing extreme amounts of load for the MyEVE server, so much that it was assisting in other MyEVE pages automatically disabling, such as the forums. The character manager service has been temporarily disabled until better load balancing and a hardware upgrade have been made. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Lig Lira	Posted - 2005.09.23 14:49:00 - [6] nooooooooooo
ric0	Posted - 2005.09.23 14:55:00 - [7] Edited by: ric0 on 23/09/2005 14:55:17 dam :( means i cant check how my guy is doing. glad im home in 3 weeks from now then and able to play again:)
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.09.23 15:04:00 - [8] Originally by: kieron The load generated by the character manager service was causing extreme amounts of load for the MyEVE server, so much that it was assisting in other MyEVE pages automatically disabling, such as the forums. The character manager service has been temporarily disabled until better load balancing and a hardware upgrade have been made. ...again? ------------------- Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you
Somatic Neuron	Posted - 2005.09.23 15:11:00 - [9] So, what does that have to do with the "My Character" page? Surely that isn't causing the problems? I thought it was just the EVE Character Manager authentication code that was causing the problems, or did you actually figure out that it was on your side? Capital Ships Production Forum
Ascuris Wurm	Posted - 2005.09.23 15:30:00 - [10] here's the dev link Linkage "It's never too late to be what you could have been" -George Eliot Especially in Eve-Online


Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.09.23 15:30:00 - [11] The person responsible knows what is causing the load, which doesn't mean there is an easy fix for it. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage You spin me right round, baby.

Natiri	Posted - 2005.09.24 13:10:00 - [12] There are at least 3 threads for Character Manager, and each one has a link asking to post in a different one. Also had a hard time finding it cause there is no search function for this forum (which would be nice). Since a lot of people actually use the Character Manager as they have a real life and real job, and more than one account, can we at least get one of these threads stickied so we can check on the status of making the Character Manager available again please?

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.09.24 13:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Natiri There are at least 3 threads for Character Manager, and each one has a link asking to post in a different one. Also had a hard time finding it cause there is no search function for this forum (which would be nice). Since a lot of people actually use the Character Manager as they have a real life and real job, and more than one account, can we at least get one of these threads stickied so we can check on the status of making the Character Manager available again please? It wont be available in a long time. Search function is being worked on as well. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage You spin me right round, baby.

M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2005.09.24 13:36:00 - [14] How about just deleting the superfluous threads, and bring a PM system into play so that mods can... 1.) PM the OP about the thread deletion. 2.) Delete the thread without more threads about the threads being deleted :) Easy Peasy!
Colonel O'Neill	Posted - 2005.09.24 15:18:00 - [15] Nooooooooooooooo! Perhaps this is just an attempt to get us to login more? :P // Colonel O'Neill
LoxyRider	Posted - 2005.09.24 15:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Eris Discordia Originally by: Natiri There are at least 3 threads for Character Manager, and each one has a link asking to post in a different one. Also had a hard time finding it cause there is no search function for this forum (which would be nice). Since a lot of people actually use the Character Manager as they have a real life and real job, and more than one account, can we at least get one of these threads stickied so we can check on the status of making the Character Manager available again please? It wont be available in a long time. Search function is being worked on as well. Cruel ----- Eris Discordia; I think the proper term is <3
Lazarus Tag'lim	Posted - 2005.09.24 15:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Eris Discordia It wont be available in a long time. Search function is being worked on as well. I would rather have the character sheet back, than a search function. I use the character sheet daily... I only use the forums when something goes wrong (like the character sheet not responding). Lazarus Tag'lim CEO, GalacTECH Unlimited Resident Corporation of Southern Deklein
Domatavus Fallatus	Posted - 2005.09.24 15:57:00 - [18] Edited by: Domatavus Fallatus on 24/09/2005 15:59:04 Originally by: Eris Discordia It wont be available in a long time. Search function is being worked on as well. LOL AGAIN? last time we waited months! cu when it's working again ffs! cancelled my acc when it was unavaible and when i noticed you ****** up the ui even more and didn't fix annoying things like crystal change bug... more reasons to cancel accs seem 2 be coming every day lol ------- My Posts only reflect my personal Opinion and NOT thoose of my Corp Would YOU like to know MORE?
Ticondrius	Posted - 2005.09.24 16:16:00 - [19] Just give us the ability to change skills from the character sheet and we'll stop spamming the page with EVE Character Manager update requests.

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.09.24 16:44:00 - [20] Originally by: Ticondrius Just give us the ability to change skills from the character sheet and we'll stop spamming the page with EVE Character Manager update requests. I believe devs in the past have said they will never allow people to change skills without logging into the game itself I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage You spin me right round, baby.


Black Lung	Posted - 2005.09.24 16:48:00 - [21] I really don't understand why the dev's decided not to use something like VBulletin.
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2005.09.24 17:22:00 - [22] Here we go, the 7 emotional stages of a "complaint": 1. Laziness. During this stage, the subject finds it impossible to search the forums, to see if the complaint has been answered already. 2. Curiosity. Driven by strong feelings and a need for information, the subject posts a question, opening yet another thread to voice his complaint. 3. Shock/surprise. When the official authorities answer, the whole Luke/Darth Vader "I am your father" scene is re-enacted. 4. Desire. This stage is characterized by the subject, and several other people who recognize they have the same complaint as the subject, arguing about which feature they would rather have. 5. Selflessness. At this stage, because of a desire to help, the subjects scour the web, collect links to all the random pieces of software that sound similar to what the complaint was about, and suggest that they be used instead of the solution proposed by the devs. 6. Apathy. After spending a long time in stage 5, discussing various options and waiting for the devs to explain why they're not using any of the excellent solutions presented, the subjects give up and the thread moves down the list and disappears to page 2, or possibly 3. 7. Forgetfulness. Busy with other endeavours and topics, the subject(s) forget that the question has been asked and answered, and what the answer was, thus paving the way to a return to stage 1 and repeating the cycle all over again, in a few days.
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.09.24 17:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Black Lung I really don't understand why the dev's decided not to use something like VBulletin. Proprietary forum. ~Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Biomass fears me.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2005.09.24 17:39:00 - [24] Originally by: Black Lung I really don't understand why the dev's decided not to use something like VBulletin. Kind of hard to get the nice pretty tie ins with our ingame characters there though... Proud member of Elite Academy.
Aeaus	Posted - 2005.09.24 18:29:00 - [25] No it's not. Absolutely not. EVE runs on SQL; all you would need is an additional line inserted into annother db on character creation, which would put in the name and the character image (linked). Password changes would cause a bit of a milder problem, and would need to be disabled on the forums and done through the site.
Tekran	Posted - 2005.09.24 18:58:00 - [26] so.. instead of giving harware and code monkeys (no offense, oh code monkeys of wonder) time to buff code, add new equipment and make things happy joyfull again, the answer is to implement a totally new forum system? character pages are down as a tradeoff to keep forums up. thats a pretty good thing IMO, cause people at least have a place to b**ch (birch) about the Character pages being missing in action. dunno.. ol' Tek dont know nothin' bout nothin', but im happy to see info from higher ups
Domatavus Fallatus	Posted - 2005.09.24 19:24:00 - [27] lol gotta love deletings my posts eh... ------- My Posts only reflect my personal Opinion and NOT thoose of my Corp Would YOU like to know MORE?
Spathi	Posted - 2005.09.25 01:51:00 - [28] Would having a cached copy of the database stop the MyEVE server from killing itself? I assume the load on the live database is what is causing stuff to be auto-disabled. If a cached copy of the character database was made during daily downtime then you could in theory just re-enable the My Character sheet using this daily copy. It wouldnt reflect current changes made but it would give people some idea of when their longer skills end training or what their stats are. Also to prevent a majority of the ECM queries, you either rename the script or disable the XML generation. Just an idea ;)
Lazarus Tag'lim	Posted - 2005.09.25 03:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Spathi Also to prevent a majority of the ECM queries, you either rename the script or disable the XML generation. Well that's kind of mean. Also, won't work: won't take too long to fix/patch ECM (though with Eve-I down, distribution is a little tougher). In the end... what use would a once-daily update be worth if not to keep ECM up to date? How about just extend the cache expiration? As it was, any time the DB was queried, the XML was cached on the web servers for 1h... if you checked again, it was the same data, and no query to the DB. Why not just extend that to 4, 8, even 16 hours? Hell... I'd be happy with 24 hours, just so ECM could be fairly up to date for planning purposes... that, and with characters with 16m, 18m, and 20m SP, I don't often have skills that are shorter than several days anyhow. Lazarus Tag'lim CEO, GalacTECH Unlimited Resident Corporation of Southern Deklein
Spathi	Posted - 2005.09.25 03:56:00 - [30] Edited by: Spathi on 25/09/2005 03:59:59 With a daily char db copy you wouldnt really need to worry about the xml sheet as much. However, to allow "live" updates to the character sheet, CCP should investigate limiting the usage of the character info and XML generator pages by only allowing an ip to load each once an hour (or some time period). That way ECM still functions, people can check their skill status but the system doesnt get raped by either reloading the page or a badly configured ECM. I've made something very similar to this before to prevent overloading the system. In that case, people were reloading the page to get updated stats and this actually acted like a denial of service attack. I originally made it limit loading by an ip to once every 5 minutes and then I switched the entire system to be a 5 minute delay cache of the stats. That way one machine queried the stats every 5 minutes and anyone loading would get a cache rather than live data. Alternatively, if there is large volumes of disk space available, each query to the character page could write a static html file to disk which is pulled up for each subsequent load of the page. After say 15 minutes the "cache" expires and the next reload generates a new html page. While these ideas wont eliminate the need for new hardware, it is a temporary solution until the new kit arrives in the datacenter. CCP could implement the ip limits or some kind of cached page for characters to limit the damage. In PHP (I know CCP use asp) I believe Zend has a way to cache pages so that anything which hasnt changed doesnt need to be pulled out of the database a lot. Perhaps ASP has something similar.

Arimas Talasko	Posted - 2005.09.25 04:29:00 - [31] Originally by: Aeaus No it's not. Absolutely not. EVE runs on SQL; all you would need is an additional line inserted into annother db on character creation, which would put in the name and the character image (linked). Password changes would cause a bit of a milder problem, and would need to be disabled on the forums and done through the site. Yeah. Whatever. Supremacy Keepin it Real Originally by: Daniel Jackson PLEASE TELL US WHY, WHY DO U WANT US TO DIE, I AM JUST GOING FRIGGEN INSAIGN
Lazarus Tag'lim	Posted - 2005.09.25 07:47:00 - [32] Originally by: Spathi However, to allow "live" updates to the character sheet, CCP should investigate limiting the usage of the character info and XML generator pages by only allowing an ip to load each once an hour (or some time period). That's exactly what they did after the last time they shut down the character pages... now it's overloaded again. Though actually... I think they cut the XML download, and kept the formatted HTML (it wasn't very long before I saw programs that converted the HTML back to an ECM-readable XML). So it was live 100% of the time... but became overloaded. Then it was cached for 1h, and now it's overloaded. Which of course is why I suggest caching for 4, 8, or 16h... but temporarily, until the hardware is upgraded to handle the larger player base (or Eve-I comes back... and forum usage drops). A fix that would've probably been easier than closing it. Lazarus Tag'lim CEO, GalacTECH Unlimited Resident Corporation of Southern Deklein
Lazarus Tag'lim	Posted - 2005.09.25 08:08:00 - [33] Though... it had nothing to do with IP (and doesn't need to be), that character's info was cached. Lazarus Tag'lim CEO, GalacTECH Unlimited Resident Corporation of Southern Deklein
EzTarget	Posted - 2005.09.25 09:04:00 - [34] The developers of ECM know what one of the issues that was a part of the main cause of myeve dieing (and with me being one of the dev's of the next gen of ECM I can tell you that the next version is beening re-wrote from the ground up when it comes to the networking code, and removing some of the other errors is also meaning a ground up re-write...). We were informed of the problems with the XML feed a few weeks back, but we have just not had the time between getting the code from Islay to work out the code works, how to fix this bug and get it to compile again. We do have a new delivery system, and you can download a copy of ECM from our new home on the web http://www.eve-ffet.com. Also keep an eye out for the next generation of the eve tools from Future Falcon, you will like it... One of the devs for the new Future Falcon Suite of Eve Tools, visit us here
Foose	Posted - 2005.09.25 09:52:00 - [35] Originally by: kieron The load generated by the character manager service was causing extreme amounts of load for the MyEVE server, so much that it was assisting in other MyEVE pages automatically disabling, such as the forums. The character manager service has been temporarily disabled until better load balancing and a hardware upgrade have been made. Add a T2 Hamster, BAM! Fixed!
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.09.25 14:28:00 - [36] Originally by: Eris Discordia It wont be available in a long time. Search function is being worked on as well. chuckles Funny how the community so far has been way more succesful at creating a working search funtion then the people from CCP who are being paid to do this. We're the rats eating your pie!
Xssassin	Posted - 2005.09.25 21:49:00 - [37] Originally by: kieron The load generated by the character manager service was causing extreme amounts of load for the MyEVE server, so much that it was assisting in other MyEVE pages automatically disabling, such as the forums. The character manager service has been temporarily disabled until better load balancing and a hardware upgrade have been made. Last time you had a load issue you just disabled the XML part of the Character Sheet. Why can you not just do the same again? Surely there is no reason to disable the whole thing if it is just external applications that are causing the load?
EzTarget	Posted - 2005.09.25 21:59:00 - [38] Originally by: Xssassin Originally by: kieron The load generated by the character manager service was causing extreme amounts of load for the MyEVE server, so much that it was assisting in other MyEVE pages automatically disabling, such as the forums. The character manager service has been temporarily disabled until better load balancing and a hardware upgrade have been made. Last time you had a load issue you just disabled the XML part of the Character Sheet. Why can you not just do the same again? Surely there is no reason to disable the whole thing if it is just external applications that are causing the load? The reason the whole thing was disabled was thanks to some cleaver programmers that wrote an app to use the HTML character sheet to update their ECM, thus causing more problems for CCP... One of the devs for the new Future Falcon Suite of Eve Tools, visit us here
Astorothe	Posted - 2005.09.26 12:13:00 - [39] Can the My Character link be removed then to avoid confusion. Its hard enough finding the right thread on these forums especially without any search facility _______________________________________________ If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes.
Ione Hunt	Posted - 2005.09.26 12:27:00 - [40] Ione wants to check her skills out of game


Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.09.26 12:33:00 - [41] This isn't the right place to let people know you accountshare. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Boredom is not a burden anyone should bear

Therios Lenoir	Posted - 2005.09.26 12:39:00 - [42] i dont!
Therios Lenoir	Posted - 2005.09.26 12:39:00 - [43] i dont ignore stupid alt up there ^
iceman76	Posted - 2005.09.26 12:40:00 - [44] No character sheet... WHY ??? Fix it now please

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.09.26 12:41:00 - [45] Originally by: iceman76 No character sheet... WHY ??? Fix it now please When the hardware upgrade is there. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Boredom is not a burden anyone should bear

Seyah Remmus	Posted - 2005.09.26 12:42:00 - [46] God damn it. Really wish Seyah was the default char on the drop down box thing
Darth Pwnan	Posted - 2005.09.26 12:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Lazarus Tag'lim Originally by: Spathi (or Eve-I comes back... and forum usage drops) So it seems you have info on www.eve-i.com I have really missed this site, i came back to eve after a few months of only loggin in to train, and I found the link broken :( What is the story on this subject ?
Summersnow	Posted - 2005.09.26 12:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Eris Discordia The person who is responsible for the website has decided that activating CM at the moment will be a very very bad thing to do, please trust his judgement, he doesn't do it to annoy or frutrate people but because if CM was online other functions won't work. Umm, no offense to you or the person responsible, but there is no other function on this website MORE valuble then the ability to properly schedule trains around my work schedule, something the in game interface does not allow. could you either improve the in game interface, allow us to chain at least 2 skills together in the training que, or generate a static xml update during each mornings update we can manualy download even in zip format and import into char manager?
Aurora Tagan	Posted - 2005.09.26 13:02:00 - [49] Does this mean they will finally be getting rid of those DOS based servers?
Fabiusbile	Posted - 2005.09.26 13:21:00 - [50] i remember the last time this happened, me and Odie Knifedge (think i spelt it right) chapioned the cause to get it back up and running. at least they realise that there is a real need for it and aer working on it and giving us some info on it.

Harlie Quinn	Posted - 2005.09.26 13:37:00 - [51] suggestions to reduce load on My Character: 1. plain text version 2. an ingame option to "set next skill to train", so we dont have to keep checking completion times so often alternatively: 3. a web-based skill training editor, so we dont have to log in to the game so often
mr konung	Posted - 2005.09.26 13:45:00 - [52] No character sheet... Fix it now please!
Brannigan McCormick	Posted - 2005.09.26 14:02:00 - [53] Not knowing what exactly has caused the XML server to overload, i'm taking an educated guess on it being something as simple as sheer traffic. Seeing that the CM is a very vital tool for me, and my corp-mates (and a lot of other Eve players), I had some thoughts about what could be done about it. First and foremost, trim the XML generated, theres a whole abundance of redundant data in there (who needs the skillpoint levels for a given skill, this information is readily available, and could be hardcoded into a client) (This ofcourse unless CCP plans to change the way ranks and skillpoints needed interact) Secondly, and this would probably take some coordination with Free Falcon Enterprises (but it seems like they already communicate in some form with some devs from CCP), make two different types of skill-polls. One that returns the currently training skill (and nothing else, resulting in even less data to transmit), and one that, as today, returns a chars total skill-sheet (with optimized and trimmed XML of course) Seeing that the CM wouldn't have to download a 10k+ XML sheet every time it polls, but only a 500 bytes, would make traffic drop a LOT, and then it would only need to get the large XML every time the skill-in-training was different from what the local CM has. Of course, if the problem is something different, then this solution probably won't work, but, I just thought that i'd share my idea /Brannigan McCormick
The Longinus	Posted - 2005.09.26 14:26:00 - [54] You guys know who you are talking to right? Its CCP, the bringers of EVE!! Id think they know how to make a simple web app. I could also start shouting out suggestions on how to make this thing right, but what ever I think of I belive they have thougt of to and dismissed cuz of something I know nothing about. So just keep it down and let the grownups work.
Eros Warsteiner	Posted - 2005.09.26 14:57:00 - [55] Sure wish I could stare at my guys skills right about now. Seriously.
Leto Nyx	Posted - 2005.09.26 15:30:00 - [56] Edited by: Leto Nyx on 26/09/2005 15:30:37 Originally by: Letouk Mernel Here we go, the 7 emotional stages of a "complaint": 1. Laziness. During this stage, the subject finds it impossible to search the forums, to see if the complaint has been answered already. 2. Curiosity. Driven by strong feelings and a need for information, the subject posts a question, opening yet another thread to voice his complaint. 3. Shock/surprise. When the official authorities answer, the whole Luke/Darth Vader "I am your father" scene is re-enacted. 4. Desire. This stage is characterized by the subject, and several other people who recognize they have the same complaint as the subject, arguing about which feature they would rather have. 5. Selflessness. At this stage, because of a desire to help, the subjects scour the web, collect links to all the random pieces of software that sound similar to what the complaint was about, and suggest that they be used instead of the solution proposed by the devs. 6. Apathy. After spending a long time in stage 5, discussing various options and waiting for the devs to explain why they're not using any of the excellent solutions presented, the subjects give up and the thread moves down the list and disappears to page 2, or possibly 3. 7. Forgetfulness. Busy with other endeavours and topics, the subject(s) forget that the question has been asked and answered, and what the answer was, thus paving the way to a return to stage 1 and repeating the cycle all over again, in a few days. Lmao! Superb. So...does anyone know why the Character Sheet is down?
Majir Kry	Posted - 2005.09.26 15:30:00 - [57] Bah, I want to know if the 50m of items I put on the market last night have sold yet.
Talons	Posted - 2005.09.26 15:30:00 - [58] Nooooooo... The ECM is a terrific tool. Please repair as soon as possible. Now, I understand that you guys need new hardware for this? How come? CCP got new hardware, a tremendous amount, last year! Let's say each and every person in EVE uses ECM... That is what 12,500 accounts? The site can't take that many hits a day? Come on... eBay takes that in a few minutes. Now, since I sincerely doubt that the CCP hardware is at fault here and there was a post by Future Falcon about a need for a network 're-write', I believe the cause may be in the ECM and its 'number of retries' section. This is PURE speculation on my part, but stands as an 'educated' guess. The point: The problem is not with CCP, its with the ECM itself. Once it is re-written, it should be available again. At least I hope so. To: FutureFalcon You guys want some help with that little bad boy program, let me know. Its what I do for a living! Thanks, Talons CEO - Two Brothers Mining Corporation (TBMC) http://talons.mine.nu - Home of the "Mining Tracker II System" IT'S FREE! Subscribe Today!
Takigama	Posted - 2005.09.26 15:35:00 - [59] you know, now that ecm is non-functional, i cant remember how i used to keep track of my skill training? i assume i just used to use the char sheet... any chance the char sheet can be moved somewhere temporarily? i.e. so ecm wont hit it, but we can?
UK Glum	Posted - 2005.09.26 15:43:00 - [60] I'm manually editing the <old> generated xml file - keeps ECM ticking over till My Character comes back soon (tm) its not difficult to add new skill books you've started training or changing the number of skill points for a skill book already in the list. This allows me to keep my queue upto date

JoeT	Posted - 2005.09.26 16:25:00 - [61] Can you make a seperate site specifically for account management and checking character profile and then one for just eve info browsing? murder murder, yes indeed, K-I-L-L-I-N-G ~-~ only 127 more days til i can play eve once more
Silent Ronin	Posted - 2005.09.26 17:20:00 - [62] WTF ???? FOR the love of all that is worthy STOP with nerf bat! hahaha. Plz re-enable character sheet but with options to change skills from it. plz plz plz plz plz plz plz ...Will trade a lonely exotic dancer to CCP sitting in my hanger if u do :)
Drakeos	Posted - 2005.09.26 17:35:00 - [63] why is the char sheet down?!?!?!

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.09.26 17:42:00 - [64] Originally by: Drakeos why is the char sheet down?!?!?! Read the thread and the stickies? I know it's farfetched, but you never know it might actually answer your question. No really, I'm serious this thread contains information ( even at the first few pages) and the stickies too! I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Boredom is not a burden anyone should bear

Cinti	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:01:00 - [65] This really sucks!!!!!! What happened to this feature?
Dragon Scion	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:08:00 - [66] ECM being down makes baby Jesus cry. =''(
Dragon Scion	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:17:00 - [67] Well, riddle me this. Is there some utility to dump this data out of the program while actually running the program? I can run that myself and upload to my Web site if there is. That would be an acceptable alternative for the moment, at least to me.
Grey Area	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:29:00 - [68] Edited by: Grey Area on 26/09/2005 18:30:15 Another "heavily moderated" thread I see... Let me try and be more constructive; I can write a spreadsheet that when I copy and paste the data from the EVE website, will do all the background calculations to tell me when skills will be completed etc. Why don't CCP create a stand alone server to do the same? Give it a once every 24 hour import of everybody's stats, then let the server continue the calculation. Sure, after you start to train a new skill you won't see the effect until the next import, but currently I'd take "something" over "nothing". Plus if it's a stand-alone server there's no drain on anything else. Of course they might have to spend some money on that too. Ah, NOW I see the problem.... ========================================= * I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. * =========================================
Gutor	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:44:00 - [69] Here's an idea on the character sheet that would cause minimal load on the server. 1) generate a new sheet each time a change is made. Instead of having the application connect to the database each time someone makes a request for the character sheet, actually write a hard copy of the sheet to the server. this will decrease database load significantly. the sheet would only need to be updated each time a new skill is trained for each character. 2) make the character sheet optional. by default, disable access tot he character sheet for everyone, and let them enable it themselves, PER CHARACTER. so the application is only generating the sheets for people who actually use it. 3) use javascript. when you generate a sheet, write the date the current skill in training will be complete to a javascript variable. then, use javascript to determine the time as it counts down. THIS ACTUALLY IMPROVES the sheet, and will reduce the need to refresh the page each time you want to see how much longer the skill will take to train. 4) as for the XML, make this optional as well. since you can't embed javascript into the XML, simply supply the date the current skill in training will be complete. I would be happy to donate my time to develop such a system, and I think everyone on here, myself included, would love to see the sheet back up. So many people these days design applications where the database is queried constantly, at least once a page. DATABASE CALLS ARE EXPENSIVE! Use them as few as possible! Yes, IO calls are expensive as well, but as long as you are making an IO call (to write a file to the filesystem) only once each character who OPTED-IN to the character sheet "program" actually STARTS training a new skill, you're golden. This scenario would 1) cut server load for the character sheet at least 60% (very rought estimate) 2) improve the sheet itself, using javascript to display a constantly counting down training time remaining vs needing to refresh the sheet every few minutes 3) improve the quality of the xml data. heck, you could probably even code scripts that would send an email alert when the skill is done training if we knew exactly what date/time that would be. 4) make everyone on the board very happy. 5) earn the ccp all the strippers, booze and drugs in my hanger as well ;) again, if you would like help, just let me know.
EzTarget	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:54:00 - [70] Firstly, thanks for all the "We want this back" and "ECM 4TW" type replays to this, check my sig for the new home of ECM, and it's brothern, ESF, EM, ECC, EMS... Originally by: Brannigan McCormick Not knowing what exactly has caused the XML server to overload, i'm taking an educated guess on it being something as simple as sheer traffic. Your right, and one of the devs said it in the dev blog, the char sheet was causing too much lag on the servers cos it was soooo good... Originally by: Brannigan McCormick Secondly, and this would probably take some coordination with Free Falcon Enterprises (but it seems like they already communicate in some form with some devs from CCP), make two different types of skill-polls. Actually since the last downage of the char sheet there has been 2 XML feed, look in your ECM folder and check the .training.xml file in the XML folder.... Originally by: Talons Nooooooo... The ECM is a terrific tool. No it's not, it's the worst tool ever wrote... J/K :D Originally by: Talons Please repair as soon as possible. Now, I understand that you guys need new hardware for this? How come? CCP got new hardware, a tremendous amount, last year! But we now have 70K+ accounts... more accounts = more hardware.... Originally by: Talons Let's say each and every person in EVE uses ECM... That is what 12,500 accounts? The site can't take that many hits a day? Come on... eBay takes that in a few minutes. No that's 70K accounts * 3 chars = 210K hits in a second every hour, I don't think ebay could handle that.... Originally by: Talons Now, since I sincerely doubt that the CCP hardware is at fault here and there was a post by Future Falcon about a need for a network 're-write', I believe the cause may be in the ECM and its 'number of retries' section. This is PURE speculation on my part, but stands as an 'educated' guess. The point: The problem is not with CCP, its with the ECM itself. Once it is re-written, it should be available again. At least I hope so. Your close, and after my investigations into the faults that's what I came up with, but it's not totally ECM's fault... Originally by: Talons To: FutureFalcon You guys want some help with that little bad boy program, let me know. Its what I do for a living! Thanks, Talons CEO - Two Brothers Mining Corporation (TBMC) http://talons.mine.nu - Home of the "Mining Tracker II System" IT'S FREE! Subscribe Today! Sign up to our new home, become a beta tester and you can help that way, also with the next version GAG ORDER BY REQUEST OF Future Falcon Lawers. So you see you can help us out in the future with the future development of the next version of the suite of tools... OK Guys just to give you a little time frame here, and don't hold me to it.... Next version of ECM SHOULD hit the Dev's / beta testers within a month... Next PUBLIC release, will hopefully be 2 months after that. The reason for the long beta test - New code, New idea's, New Coding Team... Oh and as for the offers of help, We will be requiring some help with some coding at some point, but at this moment in time there are 3 programmers on the original code trying to get the bugs out of that, and one programmer on the next version, getting the core code done (which is about 2-3 weeks away from the devs getting their hands on the new code, that is as long as I stop getting called into work every weekend....) EzTarget Out One of the devs for the new Future Falcon Suite of Eve Tools, visit us here

squeez stoned	Posted - 2005.09.26 19:31:00 - [71] HI, When I click on "Extend account game time" nothing happens. I've tried it on a friends computer and it doesn't work there either.I've installed the latest JAVA and still nothing works. My account runs out on 10/02/05.
FantomChaser	Posted - 2005.09.26 19:51:00 - [72] hmm can we plz get it up running ? im on a kind of High School whitout internet so i need to know when i have to go to a Net Cafe to change skill. I do really need this Skill Tree... cant we plz get a Single site to it if it take to much of this ???
Bedrock	Posted - 2005.09.26 20:13:00 - [73] Originally by: Eris Discordia ...so it can be possible that there will be a search function before the CM is available again. please don't tease us with lies. You guys have been going on that phrase for 1+ year. [Please support my 'AFK Indicator' idea!!]
VeNT	Posted - 2005.09.26 20:16:00 - [74] ahhh just like the good old days.
Darth Revanant	Posted - 2005.09.26 20:39:00 - [75] I've tried to register on your new forum, but it just keeps resetting my form when i hit register. I've emailed the admin, but got nothing.
Fineberg	Posted - 2005.09.26 21:20:00 - [76] Edited by: Fineberg on 26/09/2005 21:21:11 No offense, but I really don't see what the big deal is. No one in their right mind should have to depend soley on the character sheet to know when they have to train a new skill. Let's say you start a skill on Monday at 5pm and the skill takes 5 days and 2 hours to complete. That means it will finish on Saturday at 7pm. Simple, right? All you have to do is mark it on a little day planner and you're golden! If your skill training is really that important, than you shouldn't have to rely on this web-site for it.
Shadow Bratt	Posted - 2005.09.26 22:13:00 - [77] CAn Eve not arrange for an Email to be sent to the account owners when a skill ends? If we are at work, with kids or wives making kids would be nice to know so we can log in when possible.
Hedious Digs	Posted - 2005.09.26 23:18:00 - [78] Thanks for the information, while your at it, when the character viewer returns, please add the option to change, start, or stop skill training from the web browser. that would be grand, thanks
Raznarok	Posted - 2005.09.26 23:32:00 - [79] Oh no my world is over, what will I do - maybe I could check how much time my skill has before it finishes, just before I logoff for the evening boohoo
Eclissa	Posted - 2005.09.27 04:38:00 - [80] Oh come on already! It takes about 15 minutes to upgrade hardware. Get it done already! Originally by: Eris Discordia Originally by: iceman76 No character sheet... WHY ??? Fix it now please When the hardware upgrade is there.

SheRa Qbotu	Posted - 2005.09.27 05:28:00 - [81] Originally by: Mejare Hey, what's up with the character sheet being down? -Mejare When they update the hardware on the servers with the new equipment,.. it is down to avoid "complications" as per [GM] Sw00sh. That was the response I got in my "ask a question" submission. When it' back up, it means everything should be more back to normal than before. But I think you should be able to alter training from teh wb interface. Who agree's with that?
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.09.27 06:36:00 - [82] Please fix it as soon as possible... A lot of people with multiple accounts (myself included) rely on the char manager -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Dani Filth	Posted - 2005.09.27 07:02:00 - [83] omg omg omg omg omg wtf lol... NO NOT LOL /me Cries.... MY LIFE IS RUIND all because of you pirates..
Starfury Shang	Posted - 2005.09.27 07:20:00 - [84] Not had time to read teh whole thread so sorry if its been said already, but is there no way that CCP can limit access to the XML data by IP address to just their own webservers so that the My Character section of the site works at least?
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2005.09.27 07:25:00 - [85] Really appreciate it when you get this working again. Keeping track of four accounts is a struggle especially when I'm busy at work.
Maltrox	Posted - 2005.09.27 07:27:00 - [86] Edited by: Maltrox on 27/09/2005 07:30:22 To: Forum Moderators and Admins. Good job, keep up the hard work. I really mean it. Through your tireless efforts we get to come here and use these nice tools (and ultimately, your hard work enables us to moan when things go wrong, see next paragraph on that). To: Whiners, crybabies and other "Oh no! fix it plz now!" people. GROW UP! Seriously, your postings of "omigod fix it plz now u know" and crap like that seriously **** me off. The mods are aware, the devs are aware, and OMG!!! It is being fixed!!! Chill out, grab a tequila and have some freepin P-A-T-I-E-N-C-E. Do not expect Houdini insta-fixes: They do not exist. This forum was created four days ago. FOUR DAYS. And yet everyone has to come in here at least every hour and moan some more?! GET OVER IT! Let's see here: My Character Sheet from Eve Online: Free, and a nice tool. (AND NOT A PAID SERVICE!!) My Eve Client I login with to play the game (and change skills): Free The extreme amounts of hard work by Eve Staff: Free My game account to power all the above: 14.95USD or whatever it is a month (sorry my price may be off) Free, Free.... Thats a whole lot of "Free", with one tiny tiny bill. 16000 users to use the eve character sheet... yes, if we all used it ONCE and ONLY once per day. But we don't. We use it lots of times a day. 16000 users, of which I would guess at least 25% use an external manager such as Eve Character Manager, which takes information off of Character Manager each update... sometimes as often as (gasp) 100 times a day. Morale of the story? Go Devs, Go Moderators. Shut the whining and complaining; the issue is being worked on and will be resolved when it is resolved. Fly safe, blow some stuff up, and haul (or mine) your bum off. (and stop posting). This has been a public service announcement from MHWBTCHFP Corporation. (see dictionary.com : Maltrox Hates Whiny Babies That Cant have Freepin Patience Corporation)
Kal'Zera	Posted - 2005.09.27 07:36:00 - [87] And cease making 'intelligent' offers for solutions... I am pretty confident that the guys at CCP are quite capable of solving the problem without your help and in less time than you would need. :) There are more important aspects than this character sheet, even if it is a nice feature.
Hattur	Posted - 2005.09.27 10:52:00 - [88] does any of you know what happend to www.eve-i.com and www.eve-kills.com ?

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.09.27 10:54:00 - [89] Originally by: Hattur does any of you know what happend to www.eve-i.com and www.eve-kills.com ? Read stickie threads. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Boredom is not a burden anyone should bear

Maltrox	Posted - 2005.09.27 11:44:00 - [90] Originally by: Kal'Zera There are more important aspects than this character sheet, even if it is a nice feature. Yes indeed, like the "Maltrox Wants your ISK" Charity Fund. You can get a tax receipt. :P lol

T Quillity	Posted - 2005.09.27 12:54:00 - [91] It would be nice if ECM gave you the ability to specify the "Time Remaining" for a skill that is in training. I wouldn't need to query the server at all it it could do that.
bitman	Posted - 2005.09.27 13:13:00 - [92] Originally by: Maltrox Let's see here: My Character Sheet from Eve Online: Free, and a nice tool. (AND NOT A PAID SERVICE!!) My Eve Client I login with to play the game (and change skills): Free The extreme amounts of hard work by Eve Staff: Free My game account to power all the above: 14.95USD or whatever it is a month (sorry my price may be off) Free, Free.... Thats a whole lot of "Free", with one tiny tiny bill. 16000 users to use the eve character sheet... yes, if we all used it ONCE and ONLY once per day. But we don't. We use it lots of times a day. 16000 users, of which I would guess at least 25% use an external manager such as Eve Character Manager, which takes information off of Character Manager each update... sometimes as often as (gasp) 100 times a day. [/quote Whats the point in a free feature (Character Sheet from Eve Online) if it does not work ? And what is exactely free ? With 70.000 registered accounts the gamecommunity pays about 700.000 $ a month to make this possible. Well at least they try
FantomChaser	Posted - 2005.09.27 13:24:00 - [93] I do not lie im 1 year old going on Broagerlands Efterskole(boardin school) in denmark only way i can keep me uptodate when i need go to a Net Cafe is whit ECM... these freaking school computers can't run eve its just end up whit a complete white screen... so cant even change skill that way
Deka Kador	Posted - 2005.09.27 13:28:00 - [94] I'm glad they took it down. Strange coincidence that server performance improved once the CS was disabled....... ------- Note\| This character is for forum posting purposes only.
Thidrek	Posted - 2005.09.27 13:48:00 - [95] Originally by: Letouk Mernel 7. Forgetfulness. ... forget what the answer was ... Pretty correct, but there was a typo in your post. Should read "... forget what the QUESTION was ..."

t20	Posted - 2005.09.27 13:58:00 - [96] Seen there is lot of confusion about and a LOT of speculation on how the charactersheet works, let me clarify it once and for all so we can stop the second guessing. There are two database queries on opening the charactersheet that get every piece of data needed for your character(s). The main query is executed once a day and cached, the secondary query is executed every 2 hours (note that if you're not using the charactermanager or the charactersheet on the myeve website, we don't query the data, saving memory and db resources). Instead of Output caching I'm using Data caching so we can re-use this info all over the website if we need to. A couple of months ago when we were faced with quite a few performance issues, I rewrote the whole application to be more smooth, resulting in a nice perfomance increase and everyone was happy. Opting for memory caching was an obvious choice as it's more flexible. Myeve was running on two machines but is running on ONE machine as we speak due to loadbalancer issues (that are beeing looked into). The loss of myeve02 (this loss occured somewhere early last week) resulted in myeve01 getting quite a lot more load on the MEMORY (CPU, I/O, ... are all quasi-idle). Hope this clears it up once and for all.

dark man	Posted - 2005.09.27 14:00:00 - [97] when is character sheet coming back up?
Bubba Smiff	Posted - 2005.09.27 14:02:00 - [98] I know a fix for the CSM. Let me use it and no one else. That way it won't cause a problem and I won't be inconvenienced.
Razorblade Betty	Posted - 2005.09.27 14:03:00 - [99] Why, tell me why ?????????

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.09.27 14:11:00 - [100] Thread locked, reread it to get questions answerd such as 'why it was disabled' and 'when it will be back'. P I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Boredom is not a burden anyone should bear


Tsumiko Kawashima	Posted - 2005.09.27 14:11:00 - [101] Originally by: Eclissa Oh come on already! It takes about 15 minutes to upgrade hardware. Get it done already! Originally by: Eris Discordia Originally by: iceman76 No character sheet... WHY ??? Fix it now please When the hardware upgrade is there. 15minutes.. HAHAHAHhahahahahahahha... wait till i tell that one to the ppl i work with;)


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