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Dominus Alterai
No Bullshit Jokers Wild.
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:35:00 -
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Mikron Alexarr wrote:Go look at the old forums and you'll see what a threadnaught was. Too many people these days ignore the forums. That combined with the fact that most threads get locked before they get too out of hand makes for relatively short threads these days. 19 pages in under 3 hours. I'd say it's getting there. |
Rek Seven
Zandathorn Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:35:00 -
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Holy One wrote:Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.
I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.
Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me.
lol you mean you took the time to train up 5 characters and you are now willing to give up at the drop of a hat? i think you are just overreacting for the sake of it... Solution to your problem - put your alts in a corp that holds customs offices and dry your tears.
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Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:36:00 -
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Holy One wrote:Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.
I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.
Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me.
edit: Aidditionally turning PI in to technetium ie a monopoly of the few seems counter to the entire appeal of PI. Finally, making PI a massive time sink, defeats the point of PI. Oh finally, finally, if that time sink is merely more tedious micro management and bullshit, duh. Err.
Game design? How about you design something that isn't bottomlessly tedious and unrewarding for a change?
It's things like this that makes me wonder if CCP did the calculations for where the stuff comes from based on characters tied to an Email address or just on characters. That would make their predictions quite interesting.
1)Change announced. 2)All the people running tons of alts suddenly stop feeding materials into the system.. 3)all hell breaks loose... |
Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:36:00 -
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damn forum UI |
Dominus Alterai
No Bullshit Jokers Wild.
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:38:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Holy One wrote:Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.
I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.
Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me. lol you mean you took the time to train up 5 characters and you are now willing to give up at the drop of a hat? i think you are just overreacting for the sake of it... Solution to your problem - put your alts in a corp that holds customs offices and dry your tears.
Corps/alliances that can safely hold POCOs, aka 500+ member alliances, usually don't allow alts in other alliances without standings. I know that for a fact because I've had alts in a few of them...which were promptly kicked once they found out. |
Ryunosuke Kusanagi
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:39:00 -
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probbably been asked... but here it goes
is there a timeframe for launch of this?
not a specific date per se, but rather, wanting it part of the 0.0 expansion/patch or maybe summer next year? |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:40:00 -
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I may have missed it but has an ETA been announced for this? |
Rek Seven
Zandathorn Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:40:00 -
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Dominus Alterai wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Holy One wrote:Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.
I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.
Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me. lol you mean you took the time to train up 5 characters and you are now willing to give up at the drop of a hat? i think you are just overreacting for the sake of it... Solution to your problem - put your alts in a corp that holds customs offices and dry your tears. Corps/alliances that can safely hold POCOs, aka 500+ member alliances, usually don't allow alts in other alliances without standings. I know that for a fact because I've had alts in a few of them...which were promptly kicked once they found out.
In this case having your alts in their corp will be an advantage as the planet tax will be going to them and not concord. |
gargars
Cohesion Inc Beyond-Repair
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:41:00 -
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CCP Omen wrote:Rhavas wrote:Love the player-driven approach even if it is going to kill my income stream. Oh well, improvise, adapt, overcome.
Questions: 1) Looks like we can now launch and avoid customs (subject to ugly volume restrictions) - please confirm. 2) Courier contracts at customs offices? This is the feature really needed/lacking from PI production. Coming? 3) When does this go live? 4) Are you sending Vaseline to POS owners? They'll need it when we producers factor this in to fuel pricing... 1) confirmed 2) Not planned, good idea though 3) I'm not sure if I am at liberty to tell, but it's ready to go4) If it turns out to be too much of an upset, we will take action.
OK I am still digesting this (and not liking what I hear so far in many ways) but want to ask why is it that this is 'ready to go' when as far as I know we never heard a word about this? Another implementation without player feedback IN ADVANCE.... really? Why even pretend to care about our opinions when the coding is obviously DONE? ('Ready to go').
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Handsome Hussein
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:42:00 -
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Dominus Alterai wrote:Holy One wrote:I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else. Same here. I think i'll join the mass exodus from PI and start doing incursions instead. 3 more PI alts up for sale.... Confirming that my hauling/PI alt is already training for a Tengu. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
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tgl3
Wormhole Engineers Review and Evaluation Greater Realms
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:42:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:You know... this is actually a pretty worthless change when it comes to wormholes. It makes no sense at all. Usually a single corp / alliance lives in a hole, and no one comes in from other systems to do PI. It's completely not feasible. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever to change the way things work right now in wormholes. It really should be left as is in there. Pretty much this. There's no point in WHs having this because the only people using a WH's planets are those already living there. Noone else will use them, and noone else will shoot them. My 2 cents. |
Dominus Alterai
No Bullshit Jokers Wild.
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:43:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Dominus Alterai wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Holy One wrote:Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.
I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.
Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me. lol you mean you took the time to train up 5 characters and you are now willing to give up at the drop of a hat? i think you are just overreacting for the sake of it... Solution to your problem - put your alts in a corp that holds customs offices and dry your tears. Corps/alliances that can safely hold POCOs, aka 500+ member alliances, usually don't allow alts in other alliances without standings. I know that for a fact because I've had alts in a few of them...which were promptly kicked once they found out. In this case having your alts in their corp will be an advantage as the planet tax will be going to them and not concord.
You've never been to 0.0 have you? Almost all alliances set tax rate at their stations for alliance members to 0%. That includes reprocessing and and market tax. |
Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:44:00 -
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questions to devs:
- what was the motivation for the upgrade step, why not include the materials of the upgrade in the construction step, and then is a just a simple anchor and online? Is that a way to avoid online ninja tactics?
- Will you provide 5 runs BPCs in concord store for a discount like the capital modules?
- This customs offices shields regenerate?
- Its possible to have a second and third version of this structure with more and less raw HP (for more / less money and materials of course) so people can have a choice to choose having in account their corp wallets size vs risk / defense capabilities -> (small, medium, large)
- Why not allow, In low sec, multiple customs offices (max 3 for planet) and let the market / concurrency / prices decide how this possibility plays out?
- The customs offices will show the corp/alliance logo?
- Will people attacking the costumer office in low sec gain aggression and drop in standings?
- If the custom office is only anchor, not upgraded, can I still shoot it and reinforce it?
- Can downgrade the customs offices and un-anchor it?
- The customs offices will need stront?
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Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:46:00 -
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so this is the start of your dust-eve link?
fighting over pos fuel...lmfao
i gave up smoking weed a while ago, but can you pass round whatever you have been smoking at the CCP office please, cos id bet its some good ****.
fighting over pos fuell.. cant get over that, too funny CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Harassment Panda
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:47:00 -
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Great addition to PI and a nice ISK sink.
I look forward to destroying them with my soon to be buffed Moros |
Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:47:00 -
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gargars wrote:CCP Omen wrote:Rhavas wrote:Love the player-driven approach even if it is going to kill my income stream. Oh well, improvise, adapt, overcome.
Questions: 1) Looks like we can now launch and avoid customs (subject to ugly volume restrictions) - please confirm. 2) Courier contracts at customs offices? This is the feature really needed/lacking from PI production. Coming? 3) When does this go live? 4) Are you sending Vaseline to POS owners? They'll need it when we producers factor this in to fuel pricing... 1) confirmed 2) Not planned, good idea though 3) I'm not sure if I am at liberty to tell, but it's ready to go4) If it turns out to be too much of an upset, we will take action. OK I am still digesting this (and not liking what I hear so far in many ways) but want to ask why is it that this is 'ready to go' when as far as I know we never heard a word about this? Another implementation without player feedback IN ADVANCE.... really? Why even pretend to care about our opinions when the coding is obviously DONE? ('Ready to go').
See some of my previous posts.
The developers have to listen to product management. The reason for hilmar's letter was that he was basically pushing new feature development down product management's throats. Product management (obviously) didn't get the memo. Development isn't as in charge as they used to be.
CCP has taken on the form of many larger companies. While the devs are ultimately responsible for delivering a product, it's product management that determines the product to be delivered. Blame them. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:48:00 -
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I may have missed it but has an ETA been announced for this? |
Rhavas
The Corporation of Noble Sentiments
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:48:00 -
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CCP Omen wrote:Raziphan Rebular wrote:Why require corporations? Okay so I love PI it's something everyone can do with a little skill, and a lot of understanding. But this move, takes PI away from the little guy and moves it into the hands of corporations. Why must these custom offices be ran by corporations and not simply players? Why can't becoming a baron of a ton of profitable planets be another possibility for players? It's always irked me that only Corporations can setup Poses, and now it seems like only corporation will be able to run their own customs office despite the fact they seem to be well with in the range of the single player to afford and deploy.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CCP make it so that we can launch our own personal custom offices as well not simply 'for the corporation'. It's really quite cheap to create your own one man corporation. Also, the "little" guy is adviced to use CONCORD's customs offices in High-Sec. Regards Omen
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Rek Seven
Zandathorn Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:48:00 -
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Dominus Alterai wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Dominus Alterai wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Holy One wrote:Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.
I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.
Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me. lol you mean you took the time to train up 5 characters and you are now willing to give up at the drop of a hat? i think you are just overreacting for the sake of it... Solution to your problem - put your alts in a corp that holds customs offices and dry your tears. Corps/alliances that can safely hold POCOs, aka 500+ member alliances, usually don't allow alts in other alliances without standings. I know that for a fact because I've had alts in a few of them...which were promptly kicked once they found out. In this case having your alts in their corp will be an advantage as the planet tax will be going to them and not concord. You've never been to 0.0 have you? Almost all alliances set tax rate at their stations for alliance members to 0%. That includes reprocessing and and market tax.
I'm sorry, did CCP say you can set a different tax rate for corp and the public? i must have missed that. if so i think that's a good thing. Either way, i'll be glad if pp stop doing PI because of this, as it means i'll get over 9000 isk for my coolant again
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Farnfax
Bob and Doug Storage Company
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:48:00 -
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Well I guess this will once again exclude the single players and small corporations for doing PI in lowsec. I think a lot of changes could make PI better, like being able to contract materials in and out of a Customs Office, but this idea may force me to give up doing PI and T2 production.
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Rek Seven
Zandathorn Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:49:00 -
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Dominus Alterai wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Dominus Alterai wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Holy One wrote:Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.
I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.
Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me. lol you mean you took the time to train up 5 characters and you are now willing to give up at the drop of a hat? i think you are just overreacting for the sake of it... Solution to your problem - put your alts in a corp that holds customs offices and dry your tears. Corps/alliances that can safely hold POCOs, aka 500+ member alliances, usually don't allow alts in other alliances without standings. I know that for a fact because I've had alts in a few of them...which were promptly kicked once they found out. In this case having your alts in their corp will be an advantage as the planet tax will be going to them and not concord. You've never been to 0.0 have you? Almost all alliances set tax rate at their stations for alliance members to 0%. That includes reprocessing and and market tax.
I'm sorry, did CCP say you can set a different tax rate for corp and the public? i must have missed that. if so i think that's a good thing. Either way, i'll be glad if pp stop doing PI because of this, as it means i'll get over 9000 isk for my coolant again
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Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:49:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Holy One wrote:Well thats the end of PI for me then. I cba with all that bollocks. I did/do PI because it represents the least waste of my time for the most return.
I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else.
Anyone want to buy 5 PI alts? Evemail me. lol you mean you took the time to train up 5 characters and you are now willing to give up at the drop of a hat? i think you are just overreacting for the sake of it... Solution to your problem - put your alts in a corp that holds customs offices and dry your tears.
I already have a full time job bro, I just don't need that extra level of hassle and micro tedium (its already incredibly boring and time consuming/risky enough farming planets in low and null). PI was accessible and easy to get in to. Now its not going to be. I don't have the time or the inclination to faff with that. Given there are several easier ways to make isk, which do not require loads of alts, I'm not gonna go there.
Also, since I will no longer have a use for all these PI alts, which I will be selling, that's CCP out 3 plexes every month. I hope that is something they're happy about. Cos I won't be the only one who decided, along with supers, that they can no longer justify the expense of additional accounts/characters for such little 'fun' or 'reward'. Since those accounts were paid for with plex ( in my case) and there is no desire to pay real money to keep them going, then they close.
We knew PI conflict was coming, but I don't think turning all my jew golds in to a POS anyone can blow up or exclude me from unless I have a 5000 man alliance to back me up, was what we were expecting.
C'est la vie and .. toodles! |
Dominus Alterai
No Bullshit Jokers Wild.
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:49:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote:so this is the start of your dust-eve link?
fighting over pos fuel...lmfao
i gave up smoking weed a while ago, but can you pass round whatever you have been smoking at the CCP office please, cos id bet its some good ****.
fighting over pos fuell.. cant get over that, too funny
"Just walk away. You can put a stop to all of this. Just walk away, and spare your lives." |
Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:51:00 -
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Liandra Xi wrote:Chaos Incarnate wrote:Jake Centauri wrote:The combat players love the change. The industrial players hate it. That about sums it up. No, the combat players hate it too because it involves more shooting at structures with tons of hp, ie that thing we already hate about sov warfare and POSs Except you don't have to attack them, you could just use your own to generate fights when someone else comes to attack them. No-one is forcing you to attack others CO's unless you want to generate fights that way. C'mon you seriously trying to say CCP gives us crops to burn and PVP'ers are not going to like it? Man what are you smoking?
It's not 'burning crops' if it takes a day and a half and a twenty-man fleet to kill one of them in a timely fashion, it's POS warfare all over again. Zzz. |
Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:51:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:[quote=Dominus Alterai][quote=Holy One] stuff
9k is a conservative estimate. |
EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:52:00 -
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This is a great idea. The structure doesn't have too much EHP compared to all of the sov structures, making it a good target for bored small gangs. It also allows corporations and alliances to take "ownership" of planets. I am also glad that a risk free income source has been removed from null and lowsec.
I also appreciate the bandwidth buff because many planets have their resources spread out all over, and it makes it easier to farm resources far away from eachother.
A couple of questions:
In reinforced mode, will importing and exporting to and from the customs office be disabled?
If you destroy the customs office, will you be able to take whatever's inside for your own uses?
To all the haters out there, you can still do PI in highsec if you feel that low/null is too dangerous for you. |
Trainwreck McGee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:56:00 -
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Another big **** you to people living in WH. Thanks CCP for being A giant stinking ******* CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Gallion
GALACTIC GUARDIAN KNIGHTS
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:56:00 -
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I've got some concerns. -for those that already have PI on Null sec planets will the good now transport to the player Owned Gantry/office? -Will warping to the Customs office now warp to the player owed Gantry/office when its there? -profit from the highs sec locations gonna be even less profitable? -and is their a deployment date decided for it yet? This is a Signature, It makes people Stare. (Man I gotta Make one , or Find one to steal) |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:57:00 -
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Handsome ******* wrote:Dominus Alterai wrote:Holy One wrote:I guess I'll just go do incursions like everyone else. Same here. I think i'll join the mass exodus from PI and start doing incursions instead. 3 more PI alts up for sale.... Confirming that my hauling/PI alt is already training for a Tengu.
I did not have time to read the entire thread, can someone bring me up to speed on why people would rather waste their PI characters on another profession instead of:
1: Continuing to do PI in Empire Space, just as they always have. Granted, the fee for import/export will be 10% instead of 5% now. 2: Use the CO someone else has put up if it is in low or null sec, assuming the taxes aren't too high. 3: If those taxes are too high, or you are not allowed access, simply use the launchpad as you always could. 4: If there is no CO in place, form a small PI corp for the purposes of putting up your own CO. You may even earn extra income from the taxing of other people using those planets.
Did I miss something meaningful? Or are people just throwing up their hands because they don't understand or didn't read the blog correctly? To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.18 17:57:00 -
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This whole thing looks great on paper, but its making a lot of assumptions about EVE players that simply make me cringe and wonder if the PI team actually interacts with the average members of the player base.
- PI resources, especially in 0.0, are the sole benefit of the entities controlling the area. IE: Goonswarm doesn't allow White Noise. to freely jaunt around our space doing whatever they want to. We'd never consider letting entities that didn't pay us a significant sum to use resources in our sovereign space, regardless of the ability to tax the output. Why would we supply the means to resist us to our enemies when we could simply cut them off from it?
- Things with massive EHP and defenses suck. Plain and simple. This was the complaint with the old POS-spamming Sov system and is one of the major complaints with the Dominion system. Adding another structure with EHP that requires more than a medium-sized (40+ person) gang to reinforce or destroy is only going to cause space to be littered with player-built CO's that no one want to waste time destroTing unless they have a dire, compelling reason to do it. Instead, the creation of a CO that can be knocked into reinfocement mode by small or medium-sized groups in a non-lucrative amount of time would be much more beneficial to the community and promote destruction of assets and actually undocking to defend them from small, stray roving gangs. As well, if I'm with a small group and have an entire system shut-down from external traffic, I'd want the ability to significantly impact industrial assets with that small group considering we have military control of the area. Require the owner to put up a significant defense of resources (BUT no defensive structures as they GREATLY DECREASE any "fun" that comes from structure grinds and provide incentives to [i][not/i] actively show up for defenses) rather than make it a royal pain and boring fiasco to even put these structures into a reinforce cycle.
- Theres is little to no logic in allowing CO's to be deployed in lowsec without the consent of the holding sovereign NPC entity. As pointed out, a nullsec, player-controlled entity would never willingly allow a neutral or enemy group access to strategic resources in their sovereign space. Likewise, I can hardly believe that (for example) the Amarr Empire would allow a mostly Minmatar-loyal corporation to freely deploy a structure that directly facilitates the harvesting of precious resources in their space. Much like lowsec POS's, CO's in lowsec should require some form of contract between the sovereign NPC entity and the corporation to allow for its functioning (a la starbase vouchers). The costs for this could logically be recouped through taxing of the CO's exports by the controlling entity.
- Granularity and corporate security seem to have been overlooked a bit. I, as a corp director, am not going to hand out anchoring rights to every tom-****-and-jane in my corp just so they can run a CO for their private use. I'm also not going to let everyone have access to the resources of an export from the CO when they're directly related to how my corp's POS assets run. Why? Because even I would steal those resources if I was given a chance and there was minimal way for me to be caught by other corp members. That's the cold, dark world of EVE Online. Unless there's abilities for me as a corp director to audit any and all PI transactions, PI would be limited in my corp to only those that were trusted and easily track-able via our external audit programs.
The same would apply to any other entities using a CO my corp controls. I'd want to know what they're producing and what quantities they're exporting to adequately tax them for the privilege of using our CO.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
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