What do you think 0.0 producers mainly are? Industrialist in PVP alliances or PVP'ers doing industry on the side?

I don't know about all alliances but its certainly the latter mainly in our alliance, I think all producers can see the increased management is more than offset by CCP finally giving us "crops" to plant and burn. As long as they can remove Titans/Supercaps from dominating the fights then I think most 0.0 PI'ers can see this will result in a lot of fun fights.

You know, emergent content style.... If you've been in there doing it this long, they probably don't mind that much, and consider you an annoyance, particularly if you are avoiding confronting them.

Its possible this could be lucrative for you to continue doing, even if you are paying 10% to the wormhole affiliation.

More likely, there was little or nothing they could do about it short of camping the CO 24/7 hoping to catch him in a trap. Likely not worth their time.

It's one thing to ignore the 'irritation' when it's more trouble to scratch than it's worth. Now they don't need to scratch.

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I respectfully disagree. I've lived in quite a few different areas of lowsec. The positives that you're talking about are the exception, not the rule.

Many areas of low-sec are either abandoned or owned by people that would rather not be generous with any shared resources.

Too many people have this idea that low sec is the stepping stone to null sec, where alliances are formed and broken like in null. They think you can really get a foothold in low-sec if someone doesn't want you there.

From one side im glad about that change.
As a owner of 15 colonies i just stopped selling my stocks because i expect to PI material will rise in price until said change of custom offices will be deployed. That will make many other items rise in price in general. ( Most items are made on POSes) --> fuel will be more expensive than now.
Second thing, this is unofficial LOWSEC boost. If PI will go high enough more ppl will start doing it and there will be fights of custom ownership and more ppl in low means piracy will gain too.

From other side im worried bout that change.

This change in Custom offices puts on stake my 800 - 1B / month pure passive income in long term. I worried that ppl who will owners od customs will set tax to 100% just to keep PI materials prices as high as possible for long time.

Also WH players just gain nice opportunity to make billions without risk cuz noone will blow their customs. ( proice will raise dirasticly ). Its kinda unfair but meh...

CCP omen, have you read all the views of the people who think this is a terribad idea? i know you ahve read teh views of teh ones that think is good.

can you tell us how your going to address the concerns of teh ones that think its bad?

I want to put out some reasons why this will not work in WH.

blah blah blah blah blah

Well, you are absolutely right. The only wormhole corps or ops on the reg that wouldn't really care about a lot of your concerns would be the smaller outfits run by the one odd russian with 12 accounts, or a small team of guys.

However, these particularly smaller units have everything to fear about giving an inch to anyone at all, even if they wouldn't care about mass hits from an itty run every other day. They must have the CO's all set to off.

In EVE, theirs few circumstances where it pays to be friendly at the chance of a little bit more pay in exchange for opening the door to a future burn.

I certainly won't do PI now. Why risk someone putting my tax to 100% or limiting my exports and denying me the ability to do imports. Seriously. Now I need to call on my alliance to handle attacks on my PI, which isn't very profitable anyway. No way.

PI [...] technetium moon

The majority of people who think its a bad idea have no solid ground to base their arguments off of, it's all emotional bullshit about how CCP is a bad company and how blobby goons are going to take over eve, and you're doing nothing to help.

My opinion only, I can't see the future. PI is not and never will be technetium moon level income (or level 4 mission level). I doubt any big alliance will waste time to guard structures 24/7 which can be killed by 15-20 stealth bombers within an hour. But I think with the high sec PI tax increase it will create moderate income for people who actually live there. And for solo players: worst case they pay some tax for the owner of the CO. And? They'll still make money.


Abandoned low-sec: it can't be worse than now.
Populated low-sec: as I said earlier nothing can stop you to do PI, you pay some taxes, that's all.


Some corps can do it, some can't. It depends on many things. But this is nothing to do with PI.

So no more setting up PI in dusty low-sec for those lone wolves? Have to wait until someone else installs CO or bother with a corp for that?

I did not have time to read the entire thread, can someone bring me up to speed on why people would rather waste their PI characters on another profession instead of:

1: Continuing to do PI in Empire Space, just as they always have. Granted, the fee for import/export will be 10% instead of 5% now.
2: Use the CO someone else has put up if it is in low or null sec, assuming the taxes aren't too high.
3: If those taxes are too high, or you are not allowed access, simply use the launchpad as you always could.
4: If there is no CO in place, form a small PI corp for the purposes of putting up your own CO. You may even earn extra income from the taxing of other people using those planets.

Did I miss something meaningful? Or are people just throwing up their hands because they don't understand or didn't read the blog correctly?

Question on a different topic regarding the CO.

If the CO is in reinforce is it usable or locked out?