No , some people think the average price wil not go up so much because CCP are chaging 0.0 mineral supply. Theert willb e a LOT more tritanium being produced and taht shoudl reduce the rpessure over the priuce of battleshisp that use a lot of tritanium.

"according to the OP, they will all be raised to that level, so thre new Apoc will be ~240 mill isk. "

No where in the original post does it say that. No where. The new Apoc will be around 170-175 with mineral prices set to decrease and a pre-patch apocs not evaporating.

Regarding the tier 3 BCs I fail to see the the reason behind the whole concept for "Attack Battleships".
With less firepower than the ABCs, less tank than the Combat Battleships and significantly slower speed than ABCs, Attack Battleships seem to be a blend of those both ships with no clearly defined role of their own that will inevitably perform worse at any task than their more specialized cousins.

ok, so in a summarized form, what CCP thinks is that by increasing the price of battleship production, the prices will go down? you are forgetting that any and all markets are run at the core of supply and demand, if you want the prices to drop, you supply more then the demand, and if you want the prices to rise, you reduce the supply so as to rise the demand for the product, what you are suggesting here is to decrease the supply while maintaining the demand, as the production will have to collect more minerals to produce the same ships the prices of all ships will go up, with the mineral changes coming up, the prices might drop on their own, and battleship prices will drop. with these changes you are suggesting, the battleship prices will either rise even more, or stay at the same level.

back on the supply and demand part: ship prices will always be run by how wanted the ship is, Eg. if a major group picks the Rokh as their primary fleet doctrine, then the people supplying the ships can increase the prices of them as they see profit there, because the ship is wanted.

TLDR: this idea will not work, and has possibility of backfire.

ehp needs to go way up on battleships.

Really? YOu were not here when they introduced drone regions and mineral prices droped to 1/5th of their previous prices within 2 months?

Also when they nerfed insurance fraud, that droped the consumption of minrals so massively that the price droped about 30%.


The thigns that made the price go up were, L4 loot MASSIVE nerf and the large attack on BOT miners.

I agree with you on the whole botting thing, for the record I was here when the drone regions were introduced and the loot was nerfed, so perhaps I should have clarified that I was speaking of recent changes. but it's hard to type on a ****** smartphone keyboard so I kept it brief. The laptop is out today though so I in order to defend my point... The whole reason why the ships are going up in price is because CCP are increasing the amounts of minerals they require for production, as mentioned in their own dev posts they could have lowered them or even averaged them across all 3 vessels per battleship line but they didn't do so because it would have been recessionary... Ergo CCP do not want mineral costs to drop as they don't want a recession in eve. That's why I think that the coming changes to the game will be structured in a way that supports the economy and keeps the prices of items inflating.

Now I personally think that inflation is a bad thing and that if we had serious drops in prices and the economy became deflationary that would be a good thing as ships and modules would cost less and players might be more willing to risk them in pvp or exploratory actions like mining in low/null or wh space.

Personally I take great exception at high levels of dev interference in a supposedly 'player driven economy' as touted in the advertising if prices drop or rise due to player activity I'm all for it.

dude if u want to control inflation increase LP payouts.. they soak up isk like nothing...

I do agree but if EHP raises then the damage done needs to scale as well. Or we end in situation where no one can no one.

dude if u want to control inflation increase LP payouts.. they soak up isk like nothing...

Really? YOu were not here when they introduced drone regions and mineral prices droped to 1/5th of their previous prices within 2 months?

Also when they nerfed insurance fraud, that droped the consumption of minrals so massively that the price droped about 30%.


The thigns that made the price go up were, L4 loot MASSIVE nerf and the large attack on BOT miners.

I do agree but if EHP raises then the damage done needs to scale as well. Or we end in situation where no one can no one.

Keep in mind that just because you have more EHP it doesn't mean that you can tank more, aka buffer tank.

Funny that you mentioned that, cause everything is much higher than it used to be. So where is this price drop again?
It certainly doesnt show in game.

If this "extra Materials" thing is going to be how your balancing material requirements for ships now, can you please make it so that player skills and BP ME levels will actually change the number?

first in the flame war that will start. good luck and have fun. let the forum pvp start

So then, if prices are to be more level, where should this new price line be set? The obvious answer would be to just average the cost of all battleships and then set the prices at that average - top tier prices would come down, and bottom would go up. Unfortunately, with battleships, this was not possible. Top tier battleships represent an enormous amount of mineral consumption in EVE at their current costs. That means that lowering the cost of tier 3 battleships would have a recessionary effect on EVE's economy as mineral prices suffered.

You young folk don't know how good you have it nowadays.

Back in my time we had to ritually sacrifice our children to get a Battleship.



I still can hear the screams at night... oh, the screams...

It would be nice, but aren't willing to underestimate the extreme patience of the player base and so its hard to imagine how we could do it in the forseeable future.

If I buy a dominix for 210 million will it always only insure for 90 mill?

If that is the case the former tier 3 battleships will have a huge economic advantage, because the former tier 1 BS's will insure like tech 2 ships.

Maybe the extras can gradually be included in insurance over time?

I think this will somewhat be counter balanced by the fact that we now have a lot more interesting/useable cruiser/bc choices than in the past and the coming updates will be incrementing on that again.

Agreed. For a new player, especially step 10 of the industry tutorial arc, it takes 3-4 trips around the system area to get the proper amount of minerals because none of the base mineral modifiers ("You = xxx") show up on the "Extra" minerals.

This is another one of those systems that makes old timers laugh and new players quit, with no real benefits.

None of your new players care that some people can refine their old battleships for more money. Those folks already have enough infrastructure that a 20-30% wealth boost is trivial for them and won't affect their gameplay.

The current system only screws those new to manufacturing, and will continue to get worse.

My vote is to swallow the pill, and roll all the extra mineral values into the base minerals, and let the economy stabilize in a month or two. Seeing tons of ships on the market for less than what it takes to build them today is worse, IMO.

--gos