Its very consistent across EVE to get linear power increase for exponential cost increase. Is a Cruiser worth 10 frigates? Is a Machariel better than 5 battleships? I think BS happened to be at a point in the curve which is extremely important because the price point is right where it starts to hurt people, but BC are right there reminding you of how small your performance increase is.

We think it fits though. PVEers are making their first long-term investment on a BS usually and we don't want that to be available too quickly, and for large scale PVP BS are the last step before moving to extremely end-game ships and so it needs to feel significant.

I would laugh so hard now when CCP announced that they would adjust the build prices downward. People mass product BSes. Market would really stagger and industrial people would cry.

And I do believe this or buffing BSes has to happen. Because it seems that players are in consensus that BSes are not worth the updated build price.

Lets see when the crap hits the fan it will be messy and smelly.

I would laugh so hard now when CCP announced that they would adjust the build prices downward. People mass product BSes. Market would really stagger and industrial people would cry.

And I do believe this or buffing BSes has to happen. Because it seems that players are in consensus that BSes are not worth the updated build price.

Lets see when the crap hits the fan it will be messy and smelly.

CCP is just back on there, 'ignore the playerbase. we know best, the end' line of thought. Eventually, a few years down the road, someone will step back, and try to analyze the problem.

Yeah, the last time they did this stance... they lose a large chunk of players. A lot of them came back once they apologized and tried to fix things that were ****** up in the game for years.

Again though, there is alot of **** that needs to be fixed... the BS changes were not one of them.

You just dont get it... They are not worth the price increase.. Have you not been reading?

Of course I've read it. Doesn't mean anything else than that I'm constantly flipping amazed by the amount of verbiage which can be wasted on trivialities.

Of course it will be worth it. I'm building Armageddons now. They're going to be freaking awesome come patch day. I must ensure that I have plenty that will blow up around me.

Of course I've read it. Doesn't mean anything else than that I'm constantly flipping amazed by the amount of verbiage which can be wasted on trivialities.

Of course it will be worth it. I'm building Armageddons now. They're going to be freaking awesome come patch day. I must ensure that I have plenty that will blow up around me.

Of course I've read it. Doesn't mean anything else than that I'm constantly flipping amazed by the amount of verbiage which can be wasted on trivialities.

Of course it will be worth it. I'm building Armageddons now. They're going to be freaking awesome come patch day. I must ensure that I have plenty that will blow up around me.

Me. I would even pay 750 mil for it as long as it is the only ECM Battleship.

And it is supposed to be so. A battleship should be a serious step up, a ship you should cry about losing. It used to be so that people mined for weeks and months with Miner I:s and cruisers to be able to get a battleship. I'm glad if this change is a small little step back to that past.

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There is a reason why noobs are often pathetically bad in battleships. They race to it. They try to get it as fast as possible, without spending the time needed to skill up on ship integrity, gunnery, armor or shields, and navigation. They think a battle ship is so bad-ass. Big is beautiful.

If there's a high price tag, maybe the new players will spend some time getting ready for it.

Well for 750 mil you could fly instead 3 falcons. I would have to point out, afterall, that being a "battleship" is not advantage. For applying ECM there are other ships already that do the job pretty decently. Or you can have your main fleet carry swarms of ECM drones.

What is going for a scorpion, in general, is the range and hp buffer in combination of its price. If the price increases to the level of Falcons you are much better off using these for the ECM stuff in most cases.

changing the attributes of the hulls and the mineral req at the same time is going to deter new doctrine development.

You still need the same time of mining to build your first BS. But there is a different to the past, retievers has changed and you can get a orca-boost. I would say its still takes the same time to get into BS, then 4 years ago. Its true you can earn more isk, but you need to spend more isk on the same things.

Actually you can do lvl 4 missions with all skills on lvl 3. I did it 3 years ago and started a new charakter 1 year ago and its still works. You just need to know which missions you cant to do with low-skills. Remember there are many lvl 4 missions which are pretty easy.

Again though, there is alot of **** that needs to be fixed... the BS changes were not one of them.

A reminder of what we all tell every new player: "Only fly what you can afford to lose."

Essentially, then, making ships cost more simply means that newer players are going to be even more reluctant to lose them, which, in turn, means fewer players who are going to be willing to engage in PVP, esp. against when the odds aren't 100% in their favor.

After all, who the heck wants to grind ISK for a week, only to lose the ship on its first roam?

Cheaper ships means more players who can afford to lose them, and, thus, more players who will engage in risky PVP, with the healthy attitude of "gf - fortunately I can afford to replace it - brb for another fight".

I for once don't want ships to be any cheaper - e.g. I'd love to see all Battlecruisers having to use large rigs - they're still far to cost-efficient compared to anything within their range of engageable ships.

BCs are too cheap in comparison to BSes. What this thread is a about is that CCP is making them even more cost efficient since BS price increases. As sizeof void said its about what you can afford to lose. Also simply that the insurance payout drops those that don't aggress get less paid back when they get popped.