The new radial menu can be used on brackets in space, items in the overview and on your targets... Have fun :)

The mouse slows down considerably while using a radial menu, like quite badly.

I have also noticed that the only way to close the radial menu without having any options selected is by being in the middle of the radial menu, while being outside of it makes it choose the one it's alligned with, no matter how far the mouse is.
Is that intended?

I think it is intended, as this used to select a range.

Test with a Warp action, more you stay align to the option and go far from it, your warp range change (look in the middle the information changing)

It is working with Warp / Align / Keep at Range / Orbit.

Ah yes, hadn't noticed that myself yet >.< But I sure hope the slow mouse is not intended, it's quite painful.

The mouse slows down considerably while using a radial menu, like quite badly.

I have also noticed that the only way to close the radial menu without having any options selected is by being in the middle of the radial menu, while being outside of it makes it choose the one it's alligned with, no matter how far the mouse is.
Is that intended?

Dragging to set range, like with orbiting: Will it be locked at 30k like the dropdown menu? I noticed that set default range is replaced with another dropdown menu going only to 30k.

I think its a nice addition but ive found a small flaw
when selecting something while in warp like another celestial and then trying to warp right after you come out of warp it just doesn't work you have to wait about 2 seconds before it works

. I believe you can kill the radial menu by right clicking.

Many of you are saying the mouse slows down. That is not intended. We had one co-worker mention that earlier, but no matter how much I sped up the mouse, I was not able to reproduce the problem. I will definitely look into it though :)

It's find that you tell us about the scanner radial menu, but please note that my team is mostly interested in the inspace radial menu. But regarding the scanner one, it actually also works to click the scanner button... then the menu appears and you can click the icons, you do not have to hold the button down (but in that case you have to click the actually buttons in the menu I think).

And yes... you can set a shortcut that will cut the delay of opening the menu.
I have for example set it to Shift, then when I want to target some bad people, I hold down Shift, click on them and drag the mouse down very fast right away and the are magically targeted.
You can set the shortcut in ESC menu>shortcuts>general, and I think the option is called "instant action menu"

... Or you can also hold down Ctrl and left clic to target bad people... Why do you want to bother with a cursor move + left clic hold/release in addition ?

Ok... let's pretend I said "if I want to open some cargo holds, I hold down Shfit, click them and drag the mouse up very fast right away and they are magically opened"
It's mostly for people who know they want to use the radial menu right now and are too impatient to wait for it to pop up

It's a bit anoying that you have to go back to the center to close the menu without doing something. Right klick to closes the menu but it performs the selectet action. Would be good if you could add rightklick to cancel the menu without performing stuff

But regarding the scanner one, it actually also works to click the scanner button... then the menu appears and you can click the icons, you do not have to hold the button down (but in that case you have to click the actually buttons in the menu I think).

I add my voice to the several comments about the resetting cursor location with the scanner menu, though I know that's not entirely your purview. Nonetheless, you should think about why we're posting it here, because it is A radial menu.

Other than that I have had some issues where I bring up a radial menu and then my mouse is "locked" to like half the screen until I close said radial menu. I mostly get this with the scanner menu.

For the power users, can we get an adjustable mouse-down time for the radial menu to pop up?

I thought I had said it earlier, but I guess I didn't: we are planning to allow you to modify the delay for when the menu appears (now it's 0.15 sec).

And I will check on those mouse issues you guys are having

The mouse slows down considerably while using a radial menu, like quite badly.

I have also noticed that the only way to close the radial menu without having any options selected is by being in the middle of the radial menu, while being outside of it makes it choose the one it's alligned with, no matter how far the mouse is.
Is that intended?

I have kind of an unusual setup. I use an art tablet for eve instead of a mouse...

I hope the option to reassign radial menu to middle mouse button is missing because of bug and wasn't removed intentionally because when activated with left mouse button it gives too much accident menu activations for me. And if with old menu accident activations (if not reassigned) could be just annoying, new menu not only pops up but issues random command even if mouse cursor isn't within menu due to new design. Don't want to sound exaggerating but it really turns gaming experience into nightmare (as a person interested is a graphics programming I spent good ten minutes examining new distortion effect on the gates and constant menu popups instead of camera rotations almost drove me mad).

Option to adjust menu activation delay could somehow diminish the issue but ability to remap menu to another mouse button (like we can now) or entirely disable it would be much better.

This is exactly how i feel about it.

The last option is the "extra" option. There we put options that don't quiet belong to main menu, but are handy to have easy access to. We are very selective when putting stuff there, and want to keep the list of options there short. In the case of the extra option layer, the position of the options is not as fixed, as the list of options is not always the same.

after ratting for some clone tags for a while I've noticed that the usual flow of actions after landing in a belt is approach > target
which requires me to open it twice
also in pvp you often want to spam buttons like warp which also requires you to open the menu twice
it would be very nice if right click would allow you to select something without closing the menu

And about left-clicking: many of us have mice with more than 2-3 buttons, for example my mouse has 6. Why force us to use left-click for radial menu when it can be easily done with some other button - in a much more comfortable way.

IGÇÖm undoubtedly doing something stupid but I canGÇÖt find radial menus.

IGÇÖve left and right clicked on stuff in space, both on and off grid, and in the overview but so far the only radial menu I have seen is for the scanner .

Hold your left mouse button on a bracket, stargate, station or any other object in your overview. The radial menu should then appear.

Why on earth are you randomly changing the locations of the icons? Do you have a reason? Or is it just to have something new?[/b]

Hi,

to try explain the team's rationale in how the new Radial menu is designed I need to explain the background a little.

We're the same team that redesigned the targeting brackets and damage messages. After Retribution, our team [Pony Express] has been prototyping and refining the new radial menu constantly since December.

The new Radial menu is not an update of the old one. The 'old' radial menu was something that was put into EVE a long time ago as an alternative to the right-click menu. It was not extensively designed nor refined after release. The reason why we chose to redesign the radial menu was that with an all new design without constraints we could design a layout designed to minimize errors and help with muscle-memory learning.

Addressing the small number of players who used the old menu, if we do not change the layout before Odyssey is released you may have to make a new effort to familiarize yourself with the new layout but the hope is that after that familiarization period you find that it is much faster to use, easier to read and more powerful with more features such as customizable Orbit, Warp and Keep at Range distances.

BUT! things may still change, we will make some changes based on your feedback

Will it be possible to have the option to make it appear on rightclick instead of the old rightclick menu?

Will it be possible to have the option to make it appear on rightclick instead of the old rightclick menu?

I guess I'm just irritated (Really, really irritated. Day was already bad when I found out the Radial Menu change, making it go from bad to horrid) that I'm going to have to go back to basics once more, and relearn my muscle memory.

Is it possible to allow customization at all? I know you did that with the Neocom. For me, a strong Radial Menu would be the old one, with the current layout just flat out annoying. Just having 'Look At' underneath a submenu is bad enough.

If you want to make a stronger tool for pilots, allowing them to set what icons they need and where those icons are would be a good step forward.

The right-click menu can accommodate thousands of combinations of options but the Radial menu cannot.

tl:dr No

So what about adding the option to move the old rightclick to another key?

I'm one of those who never used the old menu, I am not even sure how it was opened as this only happened to me by accident and it appeared useless So I think your rationale is sound.

So what about adding the option to move the old rightclick to another key?

Creating the interface to customize menu locations is not a small task and we don't have time to do that for Odyssey.

Well how about just reverting the button positions back to normal instead of moving them for no reason?

http://i.imgur.com/nDNGaUu.png

The right-click menu can accommodate thousands of combinations of options but the Radial menu cannot.

tl:dr No

The scan button is ok, objections about it sound stupid to me. You just click this button then move your mouse slightly to the left and click once more. If you don't use scanning window often then one additional and totally easy click can not be a problem. If you actively use scanning window you just have it open constantly. I see no problem at all.

We're the same team that redesigned the targeting brackets

Is your team ready to admit that circles are terrible UI design yet? Its very straining on logi to see who's being hit because the rings in each circle blend together (is that fresh armor damage or just no shields) and its not easy to rapidly scan 10 locked targets in a horizontal fashion. It'd be a vast improvement if you iterated back to horizontal bars.

No.

The right-click menu can accommodate thousands of combinations of options but the Radial menu cannot.

tl:dr No

Creating the interface to customize menu locations is not a small task and we don't have time to do that for Odyssey.

If you need to use the rightclick in your overview you are doing it wrong.

Also, if you are targeting outside your overview, you are doing it wrong.

Then I'd request that you spend more time using your UI while flying logi.

We are considering swapping the location of a couple of options based on community feedback

We need the option to switch the radial menu to Middle Mouse Button or to disable the Radial Menu completely. This is important, please.

I thought I had said it earlier, but I guess I didn't: we are planning to allow you to modify the delay for when the menu appears (now it's 0.15 sec).

And I will check on those mouse issues you guys are having

Hi all.

With the new SIsi build you should be able to try out our new feature - the radial menu in space.

Please try it out while flying around space, and give us your feedback

Is your team ready to admit that circles are terrible UI design yet? Its very straining on logi to see who's being hit because the rings in each circle blend together (is that fresh armor damage or just no shields) and its not easy to rapidly scan 10 locked targets in a horizontal fashion. It'd be a vast improvement if you iterated back to horizontal bars.

One of the things we will most likely be doing is to allow you to map the radial menu to any mouse button (except probably right click), and also probably allowing you to set the delay (so you could have an instant radial menu on the middle mouse button or something). We think that will address a lot of your concerns.

One thing that frustrates me about the radial menu is how after making a selection the mouse jumps back to its original position.

It's very hard to get used to.

One of the things we will most likely be doing is to allow you to map the radial menu to any mouse button (except probably right click), and also probably allowing you to set the delay (so you could have an instant radial menu on the middle mouse button or something). We think that will address a lot of your concerns.

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but please add a "save location" radial menu button do the "Your ship" menu.

Yes, I'm aware in-space objects have it, but if you want to midpoint safe you still need people/places open, it seems. Having it on your radial menu would just be awesome.

One of the things we will most likely be doing is to allow you to map the radial menu to any mouse button (except probably right click), and also probably allowing you to set the delay (so you could have an instant radial menu on the middle mouse button or something). We think that will address a lot of your concerns.

just whatch jonhny pew video about this radial thing, and, I must say, I was +1

Link?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUv73akegEM

In return:
Could you add "bookmark current location" to the radial menu for your own ship? Please? That would be amazing.

I don't know if anyone else has tried to move around the enemies you have targeted, but you can't click and drag them to different positions because of the radial menu. If I target something tagged as 1 and 2, but I lock number 2 before number one, then I normally like to switch the two targets on my UI. I can no longer do this. Also, whens this. Is there some way to reorder my locked target doing logi, placing my targets in a specific order is something that is very important for me to be able to do, but the radial menu prevents that I'm missing? It seems that clicking and dragging most things in space would probably result in the radial menu popping up, rather than just dragging the info from whatever you click.

So very much this.

We are not making it customizable. We are utilizing a schema which makes primary actions on top, navigation on 45-¦angles, lock/unlock is down and show info is left and Right is more options. It helps with muscle memory to have them in a consistent place. Dynamic is just hard to implement correctly and it's better to have it consistent from the beginning.

Yes

Stop spoiling your players! Say no to something.

Yes

A very quick note:

Last time I checked, the "Distance" to target in the open Radial Menu does not update in real time. That's a bit of a drawback, I must say.

I haven't tested it in two days, however, so I don't know how accurate that is anymore.

Yes

Just to keep you updated:
I've been busy working on other stuff during the last week or so, so don't expect any fixes/changes in the next Sisi updates. That does not mean they will not happen, just haven't gotten to it yet, but we will def. be making some changes and fixing bugs :)

The options are updated 4 times a second I think. You not being able to warp right way probably means that your ship is just not quite ready yet.

When I use "radial menu" shortcut it activates and then never deactivates until logoff. Very annoying.
Please don't ignore this issue.

I mean after only ONE activation of this shortcut radial menu will pop up instantly on every single click no matter what you do. Only logoff cures it.

yes potentially its a good development, however the lag makes it unusable.

Once the radial menu has been activated there is a clear delay between the movement of the mouse and the onscreen curser which makes it impractical and unusable in it's current state.

Sorry bad english, google translate:

The radial menu. For example I need to warp to the planet, and I'm trying to use it, leading to the right-mouse button on the top warp, but slightly cling right button, which seems to be a list of additional actions, but there comes out a setting button beeches, with shaded rest button. As a result, to press the warp, I have to re-move the mouse to the center of the radial menu and again lead-up to the right, even though logically should be easy to bring the mouse to the desired button. Either pull the key out of the advanced features of optional buttons or remove the shading buttons. I would remove the extension actions at all-around, respectively adding it. There, for example, you can add a custom list of orbits or keep at ranges.

i like this thing, i like it a lot

however, i drew a picture of a change i would like to see, mainly because i forgot my homework (at home) and therefore can't do it at work :O

(increase the ankle thingie where mouse movement influences the values)

http://imgur.com/2mAQd78

Do you plan on implementing something like the "drag out" menu for warping to planets and their moons? Something like:

click Navigation Info Panel or Solar System Info Panelt
up- stargates (drag out: the various stargate in system)
down- stations (drag out: the various stations)
left- asteroid belts (drag out: the various belts)
right-- planets (drag out for enumerated planets 1-13+) -> click brings up subRadial

subRadial
up- the planet proper (drag out: enumerated districts, if temperate)
down- stations (drag out: the various stations in orbit of this planet)
left- local asteroid belts (drag out: the various belts in orbit of this planet)
down: local moons (drag out: enumerated moons)

Mouse is getting slow whenever any radial menu is open. (In space or e.g. on the scanner button)

Also i cannot move the mouse over the whole screen anymore. As if the screen was more narrow than it actually is. In full screen mode.

Confirm that I am having this same problem since I started testing new content on SiSi a couple weeks ago. Pretty radial menus are a no-go for me for the time being.

Is there some sort of specific system/OS data that would be useful to you, CCP Devs?

I know exactly why the mouse pointer stops where it does, and it actually has nothing to do with FPS, but does have something to do with the radial menu taking over the pointer :)

I will find some solution to it :)

We are utilizing a schema which makes primary actions on top, navigation on 45-¦angles, lock/unlock is down and show info is left and Right is more options.

The "primary action" (12 o'clock) is the only option that is changing, so you can just learn and know where all the other options are, and don't need to go look for them depending on what you are acting on

Sure. I'll just go unlearn 8 years of play, and rage at the unintuitive positions of the movement icons. Thanks for that. Might as well learn how to play left handed.

Having actions in consistent locations is important for allow players to use this menu reflexively so this should take priority over players previous learned habits.

Calling it "primary action" maybe isn't right... it's more of a "action that is important for this entity that is not already in the menu" but I'm not sure that's a very catchy name (although I might be wrong)

I know exactly why the mouse pointer stops where it does, and it actually has nothing to do with FPS, but does have something to do with the radial menu taking over the pointer :)

I will find some solution to it :)

Nice to hear you are working towards a fix for not being able to move the mouse to the right hand edge of the screen.

Any news on the pointer lag fix?

Just that I have made some changes, but I need to get other people to test them to see if they notice a difference

Will try them out later and post back on forum with results. Thanks for looking into it.

NO U!

Just that I have made some changes, but I need to get other people to test them to see if they notice a difference

Is there any way to close the radial menu that opens when you click "scanner" on your HUD ?
I can only hit ESC.

Also the Scanner itself seems incredibly broken, but that is not your feature I guess.

I'm having the same problem. Just started after updating today. Once I hit the scanner button and open it's radial menu, I can no longer click on anything else. No matter where I point, when I clck the mouse button it reverts to the center of the scanner menu. Sooo, I can't control the ship or do anything.

Have you considered "disappearing" the pointer while the radial menu is active? Once in the menu, any movement in a given direction would automatically flip control to the button in that direction. So moving down would highlight the targeting option, but then moving up (even just a little) would instantly flip you to the contextual option without the cursor having to backtrack its position. All complaints of mouse "slow down" would disappear since no one can see the cursor anyway. Navigating the menu would be a little faster too. For the "drag out" options, you could "click and hold" while dragging to select a value; releasing the click would then select the option.

That still leaves a bit of a problem if the menu was already in "click and hold" mode of course... but, then again, if you're already in "click and hold" mode you were probably in a hurry and wanted to use a preset anyway.

I'm having the same problem. Just started after updating today. Once I hit the scanner button and open it's radial menu, I can no longer click on anything else. No matter where I point, when I clck the mouse button it reverts to the center of the scanner menu. Sooo, I can't control the ship or do anything.

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E2: Two things I noticed this morning playing around:
- The loot primary action button does not work in the latest iteration. At least, it doesn't work on convoy wrecks.
- Drag-out functionality needs to accommodate the edge of the screen. When I drag to the edge of the screen I can't set the distance past the edge of the screen, which is a problem when using the menu on an item at the top of the overview (for instance).

SNIP

And what? can you not drag out off screen? You won't see the mouse, but you should see the range increase. It better work because I had to do a lot of extra work to make it so

I would love to be able to clic on the scan button to open the scanning window, without having to deal with a radial menu. Of course, holding down left clic can still open the radial menu for the scan button.