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Shaera Taam
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.19 15:49:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:i thought the shanghi location worked on WOD
also just make those people you are going to fire work on different eve stuff if possible... i mean, what if..... just maybe.... 3 expansions per year?
or maybe, just maybe, the normal two expansions and a whole metric butt ton of *fixes?*
a gal can hope, eh? |

Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.19 15:49:00 -
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i want to say alot more but i am refraining myself from it cos at the end, everyone is at loss here, some lose more than others thought.
I love this game and i love the community here.
I wish the very best to all the employees and their families in this hard time. |

Barakkus
849
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Posted - 2011.10.19 15:51:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:i thought the shanghi location worked on WOD
also just make those people you are going to fire work on different eve stuff if possible... i mean, what if..... just maybe.... 3 expansions per year?
No it was Atlanta, Shanghai works on DUST mostly. White Wolf (which merged with CCP) was based in Atlanta, and was the developers of Vampire the Masquerade, which is what WOD is based on. |

Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
373
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Posted - 2011.10.19 15:53:00 -
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Ahh... well... this does explain why my thread in GD a couple weeks ago got locked so quickly... You guys already knew layoffs were on the way.
Also, I'm glad my thoughts on refocusing the Atlanta team was also put into effect, as WoD is not as time-critical as getting DUST out. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |

Marlakh
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2011.10.19 15:54:00 -
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My best wishes to those employees laid off. May they find good jobs and hopefully we can enjoy the fruits of their labours one day.
I'm glad to see a re-affirmation from CCP on their commitment to their core game, including Dust. I'm sure this decision was not easy to make but it will ultimately be the correct one and the sacrifices will not be in vain.
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mazzilliu
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2011.10.19 15:57:00 -
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mazzilliu wrote:attn: laid off ccp people.
if you want to get an entry level network security job we are hiring and i can train you. deals mostly with malware and attacks. if you are good at it i can probably get you a job within a few months and i can get a sweet ass referral bonus. no experience needed but passion about security a must.
not joking btw. PM me.
*circles in the sky slowly above ccp's head* i am going to elaborate on this so people who don't fit do not waste their time mailing me
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
the job mostly involves analysis. You will be looking at traffic from literally every type of application and determining if it is good or evil. EXTREMELY detail oriented and you must be highly competent or you will crash and burn and take down expensive boxes with you. you also need excellent written english skills.
very little development involved, but you must be able to read and comprehend code, especially obfuscated code. needs very strong critical thinking skills.
there is a small amount of administration involved when you update network security devices, as well as fetch event information from them
networking, linux, and security. you must be knowledgable on those three areas.
must have 0 criminal background and be able to work in the us, also i must test you before i pass your resume along. you don't necessarily need amazing degrees or even be from ccp. we need competent people who know how things work. |

Sofia Bellard
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2011.10.19 15:57:00 -
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Now that the Atlanta employees are no longer having to work on WoD, can they be re-tasked for Incarna?
Poor sad little pirates, -áwhy you so mad? |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
17
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:00:00 -
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SHAMESHAME wrote:To each and every person who whined their way through the last few months, congratulations. You got your pixels, database entries and pretend warfare. Real people lost jobs. There was nothing so wrong with the game that it should have meant taking real food off the real tables of real people. It is my sincere hope that you too find yourself in the unemployment line. A product that people payed money for was in decline. So... continue to pay for an inferior product, or ***** about what we were getting? The fact that CCP has made this decision at this time is a reflection of the business practice of the real world.
The fact that people (real people) are losing work is terri-bad. Do not ever mistake me for saying otherwise.
Consumers, however, do have a right to complain about what they're getting for their money.
For that I *will not* apologize.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

Insane Randomness
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:00:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Somebody pinch me. 
Thats what I thought! Holy hell CCP, what happened!? First you focus on the stuff we've been asking for for years, and now your focusing on EVE! BRA-VO!
On anothe rnote, I hope the former WoD teams the best with this tough market, however, I'm sure that after working with CCP, other MMO developers would be more than happy to have you. |

backtrace
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:01:00 -
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CCP Manifest wrote:Today it was my solemn duty to post an announcement from CCP. You can read that announcement here. Please keep your discussion of the announcement to this thread if possible, and understand that this and the days in the future are going to be very difficult for those at CCP. We stand behind our decisions and trust that it will ultimately bring you, the EVE community, a better game. tl;dr Monocles failed so we're firing people because our wallets are thin. We're doing ~things~ for spaceships again, because if we lose more subscribers we'll die.
Good news everyone! Bad news for vampires though. |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
205
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:01:00 -
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I also wanted to say that while I cringe when players use moments like these to further troll the company, my hat is off to all of those in this thread that have offered jobs or helped post references for CCP employees looking for new work.
THIS is the kind of classy attitude that exemplifies the best the EvE community has to offer. I have deep respect for those players in here sensitive to the fact that there are real people behind the avatars, and that they are hurting right now.
Keep the suggestions coming, I hope our community can reach out and reward CCP for their refocusing efforts by helping to provide opportunities for displaced CCP talent, so no one is hurt in the long run by this. Its the least we can do to support them, for all they're doing to support us and our passion.
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Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:03:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Sorry to the employees laid off from the WOD team in the states (particularly in this economic climate) but I do believe its a neccessary step and vital to ensure CCP has the resources to concentrate on and renew Eve Online as its core game. This announcement is almost more significant than the Hilmar apology to signalling a full return to priority focus on Eve Online.
Follow it up by announcing plans to ditch the NeX store and provide all In Space AND Incarna content through traditional sandbox economics rather than MT money-grubbing and I will be fully satisfied and celebrate by resubbing for a year on my account.
To CCP employees: My sincere condolences to those about to lose their jobs, the work environment is never a particulary happy one for anyone when job losses are occuring. I hope that all that are let go find work in the shortest time possible and best wishes to both you and your families.
Like Jade, I believe that the Nex store should be removed from the game, it's a blight on the sandbox that is EVE. I also have held off on getting a 12 month subsription until I see what is happening with the Nex store. Whilst that Nex store remains I don't want anything to do with it, or anything it touches and that includes the EVE is Real site.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna |

Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:03:00 -
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Sofia Bellard wrote:Now that the Atlanta employees are no longer having to work on WoD, can they be re-tasked for Incarna? Read again, they are still working on WoD. |

Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:05:00 -
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/tinfoilhat
I have the awful feeling that the main rationale for not putting WoD completely on ice might very well be to avoid depreciating the WoD-related code assets too fast.
When so much of your assets are just frozen man-hours (which hopefully exist in the form of code, art, ...) having to give up on a large project could result in some pretty devastating corrections to equity. |

Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
373
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:09:00 -
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backtrace wrote:tl;dr Monocles failed so we're firing people because our wallets are thin. We're doing ~things~ for spaceships again, because if we lose more subscribers we'll die.
Good news everyone! Bad news for vampires though. It is clearly not just about monocles failing... CCP went through a huge growth spurt, and had never laid off anyone.
And that is just not healthy for a company, as not every person you hire turns out to be a good fit. In the same way that a garden needs constant tending, so does your company's workforce. So you lay off some people (and possibly hire new promising new people).
Sure it's sad for the individual, but spaceships is serious business. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |

Excelenta
Federal Defence Union Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:11:00 -
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maybe they should make some reasearch / pool
about who is interested in dust 514
i even didnt have playstation 3 and i wont buy it to play dust 514
there are too many FPP games on market
its bad idea making another one
EVE is UNIQUE
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Tenebrae Delucescere
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:13:00 -
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SHAMESHAME wrote:To each and every person who whined their way through the last few months, congratulations. You got your pixels, database entries and pretend warfare. Real people lost jobs. There was nothing so wrong with the game that it should have meant taking real food off the real tables of real people. It is my sincere hope that you too find yourself in the unemployment line.
At the risk of attracting fiery bullets, this wasn't the gamers' fault. The outrage on the forums and in the game was valuable information to CCP that their product was not succeeding. It wasn't idle threats either, subs plummeted. The reason these people are losing their jobs is that someone on top decided to continue to neglect their core bread winner. The head in the sand approach is what cost these people their jobs. Most of the outcry on the forums is from people who genuinely want to see this game succeed for a very long time. Ignoring your customers, making big financial risks while hemoragging income, and continuing down courses of no gain are the mistakes here, not feedback from your playerbase.
To all of CCP, former, current, and soon to be former, I wish you nothing but the best. I hope that this move leads to the success of CCP in all of it's current and future endeavors, as well as those who have contributed to that success along the way. Fly safe!
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Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
10
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:14:00 -
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Wow. A better sacrifice would have been dust. But at least it is not eve! I used to be afraid of WoD because I thought it would be the only game that would make me quit eve. I like vampires more than space ships. There I said it. But knowing about the pay to win nature of WoD (pay for item space etc) and the nex store example here made me change my mind about even trying wod tho, so I don't mind the sacrifice...
Great ship spinning btw! I was expecting some hack up ... not to see the old beautiful hanger back! What rocks are the most isk per hour to mine? Which of your mission loot is worth more refined than sold? What blue prints make the most proffit? Answers: https://eve-industrialist.com/ Never sell an item for less than its mineral costs again! |

Katarina Reid
Katarina Reid Corp
29
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:14:00 -
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R.I.P WOD now more EVE fis content |

diabel
Spiritus Draconis
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:14:00 -
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I am also not interested in DUST 514 or WoD |
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
373
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:16:00 -
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Excelenta wrote:maybe they should make some reasearch / pool
about who is interested in dust 514
i even didnt have playstation 3 and i wont buy it to play dust 514 DUST is one of the better ideas CCP has had, and it seems that the execution will also be good. It really makes me feel more confident in the future of EVE that they've decided to postpone WoD, as that we clearly too much at once. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
61
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:16:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:/tinfoilhat
I have the awful feeling that the main rationale for not putting WoD completely on ice might very well be to avoid depreciating the WoD-related code assets faster than CCP's balance sheet could bear.
When so much of your assets are just frozen man-hours (which hopefully exist in the form of code, art, ...) having to give up on a large project could result in some pretty bad corrections to equity.
Yes. Happened to one of the projects I worked on. Too many millions spent already so they let us go on with the cooking, but on reduced flame. Writing it off was impossible. The good thing about it was, that in that time we were able to work far more focused. Not six sub-projects at the same time. Product got better.
More budget was poured into it again and more people hired, many re-hired. That is what I hope will happen to CCP.
Aside from selfishly hoping that WiS will see more development... |

Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:23:00 -
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While I sympathize with those who will lose their jobs, I applaud CCP for making the right decision.
I'd suggest taking it a bit further, and cancelling WoD, as I think CCP should focus 100% on the Eve Universe, but I can accept this realignment.
Still, CCP has been mostly talk and ass kissing so far. The return of ship spinning is a nice treat, but hopefully it is but a hint of good things to come.
The winter expansion will be make or break for CCP. |

WisdomLikeSilence
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
58
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:25:00 -
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Dude, your subscriber numbers are down because of the anom nerf. It was a MASSIVE kick in the balls to thousands who had struggled to take space and then upgrade it.
It spat in the face of those people. And they left. THey wont be back.
Also it reduced the income of thousands more, and where they had multiple accounts they cancelled those accounts they copuld no longer afford.
They might be back, who knows.
While you are concentrating REALLY HARD on space, try concentrating on the anom nerf you suddenly and without warning imposed, while ignoring the huge outcry.
Look at THAT decision again, mate. |

Jussa Tetas
Terminal Innervations
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:28:00 -
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I'm very sad for the folks that are losing their positions. I do hope that it will be quite short lived.
I'm also a bit concerned that the actions taken by the upper management are "too little too late". It would certainly not be the first time I have seen CEO's, CFO's, etc. sugar coat the position of a company with one hand while doing CPR with the other.
I hope that the person or persons that blindly led the company into a bad state are shipped out the door along with the poor SOB's that are going to be searching for work tomorrow through no fault of their own.
Good luck all! |

Bratwurst0r
Austrian Industrial Corporation Universal Constant Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:29:00 -
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What a bitter pill to swallow.
Not that i will shed a tear because of WOD (MT Model) or would because of Dust (full MT model...linked to EVE even), but its sad for the 20% of course.
Lets wait and see. Such a big change can work of course, but it's not set in stone that EVE will regain customers, the dmg has been done, repairing it is way harder.
EVE had some vision and good content, but by no means was it consistent over the years, and i'm not just talking 2008 till now, but already back in 2006 the big failure of the rampant capital issues where consequently ignored by CCP till the big Titan nerf was inevitable years later when the dmg was done.
I won't cheer just yet, lets see what comes of this. |

Ilkahn
United Aerospace Co-op
3
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:32:00 -
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Alexzandros wrote:Youwai wrote:WoD and Dust development stopped?
/cumfirmed wrong answer... Dust 514 moves forward... WoD moves forward with a smaller staff. Good move CCP, focus on the game that made your company! My condolences to those who are receiving pink slips as part of this.
Personally, i think the whole WoD idea is a failure in the making and should be kept on simmer for the future. I'm not saying the game wouldn't rule all other Vampire games, imo CCP does their game correctly.
What i am saying is that vampires and such are a hollywood cyclical series of products. Seems every 10 - 15 years we have a resurgence of the "Vampire, Mummy or Undead" scene as new writers come in and attempt to out plagerize their predecessors. IMO, Darkness would debut on the scene right about the time all the potential players would say "Vampires are so yesteryear, happen to have mummies in that game?? NO?? Ah, not interested then."
I do wish those affected the best, maybe we can all grab another account and rehire them to put MOAR EVEs STUFZZ for us. |

Phantom Slave
Cryogenic Creations
16
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:33:00 -
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Best of luck to all those affected. This solemn news has affected my demeanor. I shall now take it out on my coworkers. |

Sophie Starsparrow
Damnation Angels Naraka.
79
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:34:00 -
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Jussa Tetas wrote:I hope that the person or persons that blindly led the company into a bad state are shipped out the door along with the poor SOB's that are going to be searching for work tomorrow through no fault of their own.
I also hope PR realizes their hand in this. The comments and statements made in the wake of monocle-gate went a long way to costing people their jobs.
Those of you let go, best of luck.
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Hiram Alexander
Capital Enrichment Services
33
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:34:00 -
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This is very bitter-sweet news.
A sad day, for many.
And like many here, I feel a great deal of sympathy for those about to lose their livelihoods, and hope that the transition between employers will be a short and smooth one.
That CCP is prepared to take such a bold stance, and make such real changes, bodes well for its future. This goes far beyond the well intentioned, yet rhetorical words of recent weeks. Personally, I look forward to becoming less cynical.
Now, I guess, my main hope is that the emotional balance of 'decision makers' is a steady one - the last thing that's needed now, is for people to get defensive and hesitant. "Someone" saw the writing on the wall, and 'leaked' things they shouldn't have... I'm neither condemning or condoning it --- I just want to voice my hope that, in light of this change, I would ask the remaining Dev's to be more vocal with their bosses... And, bosses... please listen.
Am I ready to start paying cash for all my accounts again? Will I change back to the subscription model? To be honest, it depends on what you do next... My faith in CCP is far stronger than it's been for a very long time, yet the Nex store and more particularly --- everything it represents, still holds me back. |
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