I wouldnt reccomend this as the first course of action for anybody. Eve is a phenominal game, but lets also remember that Hilmar has been running things for quite some time, and has actually done a decent enough job for the most part. What i would believe is, that we, as customers, do deserve answers. DO we need the HR records for CCP? No. Do we need to have every item, ship, and game mechanic that is planned for the next 2 years, given to us on a timetable? No. What we need are answers that assure us that CCP management, AS A WHOLE, have the game, and us customers, in mind in every decision they make. This is Hilmars baby as much as ours. To quote someone else, "we bring the sand, Hilmar brought the box". I would not say that i am leaving if he doesnt step down. What i would suggest is that if we havent recieved the answers that assure us the game is alive and well, and have SEEN management taking steps to deliver on their promises, a date is set where a major portion of people simply unsub.

I think you might be giving him credit he does not actually deserve. I honestly think it was the players that kept eve going. The subs growing was due to people like me telling all my buddies to play.

The Game, IS THE COMMUNITY.

You got your buddies to play because CCP created a great game. Hilmar and his team created that game that you thought was worthy of you and your friends to play. Your friends played it, the community evolved, the game evolved, they got better hand in hand. IMO You cannot remove one from the other.

CCP made some mistakes. They are trying to fix them with some very bitter tasting medicine. The next 6 months will tell us if the patient is responding to the medicine. This is a tough time for everyone at CCP and no one looks forward to reducing staff. It makes it harder for Hilmar to ask for funding later, it makes them look bad in the industry, they have to admit their failings, broadcast them and then ask people to show their friends the door. These are all signs that CCP is trying to improve, realign and refocus. We can second guess them all day, but we won't know whether it was right or wrong based on reading into a couple of blog posts. We won't know today or tomorrow whether it was appropriate, but we'll know in the next 6 months to 1 yr.

I've been playing Eve for a long while and I want to play it in the future.

#565 Posted: 2011.10.06 15:55 | Report 1

Generally the man at top only apologises when,

A) The company is hemorrhaging/about to hemorrhage money due to his stubbornness

B) The company is hemorrhaging/about to hemorrhage his top staff due to his stubbornness

I donGÇÖt think he woke up one morning and found religion and realised the errors of his ways, I think its adapt or die time which makes the apology worthless imo.

Spart o/

You would have been better to:-

Scrap Dust and fix PI.

Keep WoD and go back to not taking the Eve players for granted.

Its silly to put all your eggs into one basket (Eve) and since playing this game from beta 3
WoD was my next move.

Sry buddy but you DO KNOW that Pann made the call NOT TO ANSWER the first threadnought and thus started if off badly, did the hilarious presentation about community management 1 day before hell broke loose and showed how NOT do to it right after.

If anyone should have expected consequences, its her. Not that i wish unemployment for anyone, really. But she failed pretty damn hard in containing the riots, it was more like pouring gasoline in it.

P.S. and lets not forget, her first apology post, where she failed AGAIN to even notice the MAIN ISSUE. If the community manager is so far out of contact, its time for a change.

In all, it's bad business. Hilmar allowed his ego to inflate, and because of that 100 more people are looking for jobs in this ****** economy. Does a CCP employee want to get the **** off their "CCP IS AWESOME!!!!!" alt and actually answer, or should we expect another "emergency CSM summit" to deal with this, where we won't find out what actually happened for months, after CCP gets to redact everything and put words in their mouths?

And they LOCKED the threads voicing discontent saying they all should be in one thread. Fascism seems too be the new way of communication with the players.

Some of those threads were talking about very different aspects of this.

They are forcing discussion into one thread to keep people from talking about what just happened.

Baloney CCP.

You need to realize that as of now there are only a few moderators around.
Those who survived this round do have other functions to tend to then just monitoring, way too many forum topics.
Putting all related stuff into one thread is the logical thing to do.

Having had modern forum software all they had to do was check some checkboxes and *merge* one topic into another would had been even better. But hey, no need to talk here about how great these new forums are not.

an dude, not the above but rogueoperator
are you being serious that "this new wave of thread closings pointing to one thread" is the FIRST time youve seen this come from CCP?
These guys are pretty much renowned for draconian forum tactics lol

This may be the first time some players have run into it. But I'm also highlighting its stupidity right after we were promised more open communication.

And pointing out that they did not mean a thing they said. And that hilmars apology is just more lip service and he never meant it.

How typical. Upper managent screws up and the lowers have to pay. Hey, Hilmar. Where is your loss? What are you giving up? Disgusting!