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Josefius
Caldari Elite Force Apocalypse Now.
18
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:52:00 -
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Flamewave wrote:Josefius wrote:Why do they call it "Human Resources"? Because they clearly are. However, the human resource is being reduced in this case, which is my whole point. By reducing the human resource you're not actually freeing up the resource that directly does work for the company, just the monetary resource. There's no sign in CCP's news post that the money they save in doing this will go to development - the money itself can't develop, it's used to hire people, human resources, who can. The whole point of my original post is that the allocation of human resource wasn't stretched thin - the money was - so "resources" being plural was, in a way, silly.  However reducing the workforce thusly would stretch it thin, and the only solution for that is reduced workload. So I can see where I would be misinterpreted, and I'm sorry if I have been.
Thank you for enlightening me, I appreciate your point of view. |

Kengutsi Akira
58
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:53:00 -
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Hey check it out; they fired the ppl that were actually... you know... communicating with us.
brilliant guys What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
187
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:54:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:I'll quote myself and post this to this thread also as I strongly believe that the increasing "hostile" comments are not helping anyone atm... myself wrote:When you take 1 guy out of every 5 guys, you can not pick "only" the ones who no one will never miss.
What comes to selection procedure and reasoning... We may not agree, but honestly - who can say they posses enough information to make this kind of difficult decisions better than people who work in the actual company.
This is sad day for many, blame games or finger pointing will not change that. When people are laid off, people who we know and like will vanish. That is what cutbacks are about. They are not pretty.
When people get laid off, they easily start to blame themselves, even in situations like this, they are just victims of some bad corporate decisions and global recession. Showing support to the people who are leaving and thanking them about past years is something they surely appreciate.
This is not end of world for anyone. There is always tomorrow. It may be better than this day, even today it can be hard to imagine. ...and yes - I will miss the community devs and their posts also. I have hard time understanding why Penn got sacked. However I'm not the right guy to judge about the reasoning why they were "on the list". I can only thank them about the years and hope that they find new work sooner rather than later. Remaining stuff can be only sorted out inside the company and is part of their private lives.
Got sacked because she worked from the branch office. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |

Myxx
Atropos Group
84
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:55:00 -
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Confirmed list of 20%ers:
Community: Wrangler/ Christian Danhill Pann/ Valerie Massey Fallout/ Misty Matonis Zymurgist/ Kevin Dudenbostel Mike Read
Content: Pall Ivarsson Hilmir +P+¦r Einarsson CCP Maiden Steel Gnauton/ Gauti Fridriksson
Other: Valar/ Emil Fridrikson Finnz/ Finnur K+íri Gu+¦nason Hammerhead/ Noah Ward Kristleifur +Porsteinsson
Unconfirmed: Dropbear
Edit: WTF CCP!!!!! |

Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:55:00 -
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Flamewave wrote:Josefius wrote:Why do they call it "Human Resources"? Because they clearly are. However, the human resource is being reduced in this case, which is my whole point. By reducing the human resource you're not actually freeing up the resource that directly does work for the company, just the monetary resource.
Are you daft?
You lay people off. As you can see they are laying off people not directly involved with FiS (community staff, and WoD staff).
Use the reduced expenses to balance your budget. CCP needs to sort its **** to maintain profitability (or regain it).
You refocus on your key direction with the resources you have left, put out good **** (Winter Expansion).
If your customers are happy, and subs grow, you hire more staff to iterate on your ****.
SO YES THEY ARE FREEING UP THE RESOURCES THAT MATTER.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
draketrain
9
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:56:00 -
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http://www.shacknews.com/article/56827/report-world-of-darkness-mmo
mmm... wod, still in development. doesn't require einstein to figure out something went wrong with finances i guess.
also dust, fps shooter on console platform, what could go wrong. hehe.
anyhow pleased to see real working game aka eve getting more attention, at least on paper. because that's what i am paying for.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
388
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:57:00 -
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Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Peregrinus Falco wrote:To those who will no longer be with CCP, all the best and we'll pray for you to land on your feet fast.
To CCP: thank you for making the though call. Focus is something I've been hoping for and I'm glad to see that you don't shy away (too much) from making the right decision, no matter how tough. I've felt for a while now that CCP was growing the employee base too quickly. Anyone else notice how very often the 'I support CCP in this!!!' posters are making their first post ever? CCP Alt damage control again?
Funny that you picked up on that and completely missed all the ranters blasting CCP posting for the first time in this thread.
FUD, anyone?
Mr Epeen  If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
187
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:58:00 -
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Myxx wrote:Confirmed list of 20%ers:
Community: Wrangler/ Christian Danhill Pann/ Valerie Massey Fallout/ Misty Matonis Zymurgist/ Kevin Dudenbostel Mike Read
Content: Pall Ivarsson Hilmir +P+¦r Einarsson CCP Maiden Steel Gnauton/ Gauti Fridriksson
Other: Valar/ Emil Fridrikson Finnz/ Finnur K+íri Gu+¦nason Hammerhead/ Noah Ward Kristleifur +Porsteinsson
Unconfirmed: Dropbear
Edit: WTF CCP!!!!!
Can someone outline the roles each of these now former employees had? In what content the "content" ones worked on? Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |

Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
5
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:00:00 -
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Kabaos wrote: "A Jack of all trades is master of none"
But what do you think that statement means... is it better to be a specialist or not ?
I think society is like a cricket team, all-rounders arent the best batters, or bowlers, but without them the team is vulnerable.
All-rounders (generalists) are like glue that bind the specialists together.
The normals really deserve more respect than they get.
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Covert Kitty
SRS Industries SRS.
17
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:00:00 -
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Quote:I hope all you FiS crybabys are happy now, you've lost real people their jobs Hopefully a good first step, though I'm not going to be happy until I see some results. I don't pay CCP to develop WoD or Dust, I pay them to develop EvE.
So either this is the right move by CCP, and Eve is improved. Or it's not and I'll be back shooting the statues this January and canceling accounts. As far as I care this cycle can continue until either Eve is saved, or dies completely.
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Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:01:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Peregrinus Falco wrote:To those who will no longer be with CCP, all the best and we'll pray for you to land on your feet fast.
To CCP: thank you for making the though call. Focus is something I've been hoping for and I'm glad to see that you don't shy away (too much) from making the right decision, no matter how tough. I've felt for a while now that CCP was growing the employee base too quickly. Anyone else notice how very often the 'I support CCP in this!!!' posters are making their first post ever? CCP Alt damage control again? I support CCP in this. I don't see why anyone who cares a shred about this game doesn't. Would you rather we go back to CCP paying more people to develop WoD and DUST than Eve? no we want CCP to have a community team for EVE ONLINE. beause as of right now they seem to be getting rid of the community team.
Only a minority of players use the forums. You'd rather CCP allocate resources to the minority of players rather than spend it on actual gameplay. GTFO. |

Zeomebuch Nova
Metalworks
1
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:03:00 -
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Brit Green wrote:I'm not without sympathy for these folks, but part of their job was to keep the rabble under control. They failed at this. When you don't perform your job, you lose it. That's the way these things work.
I will contract you to keep a white, rich, 15 years old nerdy intact in his way through a 5km long ghetto. This all will happen once it's enough dark, just because i enjoy making cretinous decisions. Your hands are your only tools. Don't blame me if you fail doing your job, which I, as your employer, know pretty well you will. |

Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:04:00 -
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Magnus Orin wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Peregrinus Falco wrote:To those who will no longer be with CCP, all the best and we'll pray for you to land on your feet fast.
To CCP: thank you for making the though call. Focus is something I've been hoping for and I'm glad to see that you don't shy away (too much) from making the right decision, no matter how tough. I've felt for a while now that CCP was growing the employee base too quickly. Anyone else notice how very often the 'I support CCP in this!!!' posters are making their first post ever? CCP Alt damage control again? I support CCP in this. I don't see why anyone who cares a shred about this game doesn't. Would you rather we go back to CCP paying more people to develop WoD and DUST than Eve? no we want CCP to have a community team for EVE ONLINE. beause as of right now they seem to be getting rid of the community team. Only a minority of players use the forums. You'd rather CCP allocate resources to the minority of players rather than spend it on actual gameplay. GTFO.
whie i will miss the community team for just keeping us in the loop.
i do hope this is the resurgence of the devs freely posting, and throwing ideas and stuff around like YE OLDE DAYS |

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group
17
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:04:00 -
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Inficant wrote:ACY GTMI wrote:If it's an 'expansion', it isn't about fixing anything. It's kind of in the definition of the term. When you have quarterly expansions the lines for what goes in an expansion and what doesn't are blurred. Eve's expansions have always had features *and* fixes. Sometimes more of one than the other.
I didn't think there was any possibility of a misunderstanding. More fool me.
How about this? "For the Winter Whatever, I suggest you use your resources to fix what is already broken rather than adding more broken stuff."
Case in point, the Forum Post button.
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Reverand Pastor
Dynasty Ink.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:06:00 -
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Magnus Orin wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Peregrinus Falco wrote:To those who will no longer be with CCP, all the best and we'll pray for you to land on your feet fast.
To CCP: thank you for making the though call. Focus is something I've been hoping for and I'm glad to see that you don't shy away (too much) from making the right decision, no matter how tough. I've felt for a while now that CCP was growing the employee base too quickly. Anyone else notice how very often the 'I support CCP in this!!!' posters are making their first post ever? CCP Alt damage control again? I support CCP in this. I don't see why anyone who cares a shred about this game doesn't. Would you rather we go back to CCP paying more people to develop WoD and DUST than Eve?
You are completely missing the point. The neglect shown to subscribers to your primary cash flow and lack of community interaction has put them in serious trouble. Lets be honest here no one fires 20% of there work force if everything is ok. If they do just because then its greed. I think you are also missing the face that the eve community is a very small and passionate one. There are things from PLEX drives to trivial gifts like a new caracal to a noob. When RL is damaged due to incompitence of others its a sad and frustrating thing. CCP has issues EVE, DUST, have issues therefore we have issues. get it? |

Flamewave
Crimson Moon Society
2
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:07:00 -
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Magnus Orin wrote:Flamewave wrote:Josefius wrote:Why do they call it "Human Resources"? Because they clearly are. However, the human resource is being reduced in this case, which is my whole point. By reducing the human resource you're not actually freeing up the resource that directly does work for the company, just the monetary resource. Are you daft? You lay people off. As you can see they are laying off people not directly involved with FiS (community staff, and WoD staff). Use the reduced expenses to balance your budget. CCP needs to sort its **** to maintain profitability (or regain it). You refocus on your key direction with the resources you have left, put out good **** (Winter Expansion). If your customers are happy, and subs grow, you hire more staff to iterate on your ****. SO YES THEY ARE FREEING UP THE RESOURCES THAT MATTER. None of what you say is explicitly false, however the fact is that CCP is trying to play it off like it will accelerate development in the here and now, not at an indeterminate time in the future, if at all. The question is when, because it certainly won't be right now.
As a sidenote, you're a bit hostile, you know? It's possible to hold a conversation without questioning the other's intellectual acuity, just an FYI. Some things ISK can't buy. For everything else, there's Jita. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
388
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:07:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote: some stuff
Holy smokes!
First I see Helicity in here and now you?
What a strange world. When did you decide to unquit?
Just need Liang to pop in and all will back to normal.
Mr Epeen 
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |

EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:08:00 -
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Magnus Orin wrote:
Only a minority of players use the forums. You'd rather CCP allocate resources to the minority of players rather than spend it on actual gameplay. GTFO.
liiiiike I dunno, how major 0.0 players want all the game designed around them and **** the ppl in highsec?
lol be MORE of a hypocrite. I dare you "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |

DJ Xaphod
Eve Radio Corporation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:08:00 -
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Rall Mekin wrote: DJ, I may have missed something, but I do not believe they specifically said they are laying off EVE online team members. Rather, they said they were laying off members of CCP and reorganizing/refocusing.
Based off their public statement, I take it that they are cutting members company wide (one would assume from the World of Darkness/Dust team primarily) and also doing a lot of reassignments to focus more on the EVE Universe (Dust is part of Eve Online in the long run, its just deployed on a different platform).
If you read the thread you'll see that a lot of EVE online team members are going. |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
95
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:09:00 -
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Since CCP pay for bandwidth..
Perhaps if they remove the background image on these forums (or revert to the old non Javascript heavy forums) they could save money on bandwidth costs.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
49
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:13:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:
It is the fault of those who decided to make EVE into their cash cow for other projects, and now others will get fired because of their stupid decisions. It has nothing to do with the eve community.
This sums it up. The idiots blaming the community seem to be the typical neurologically challenged CCP sycophants that seem to materialize every time CCP does something really stupid. We understand layoffs. But we question the methodology in what and who. And fairly so.
Now someone tell me WHY hilmar still has a job? |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
95
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:14:00 -
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I think we still have a message to send to the MMO Industry as a whole.
STAY THE COURSE.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
389
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:17:00 -
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Zeomebuch Nova wrote:Brit Green wrote:I'm not without sympathy for these folks, but part of their job was to keep the rabble under control. They failed at this. When you don't perform your job, you lose it. That's the way these things work. I will contract you to keep a white, rich, 15 years old nerdy intact in his way through a 5km long ghetto. This all will happen once it's enough dark, just because i enjoy making cretinous decisions. Your hands are your only tools. Don't blame me if you fail doing your job, which I, as your employer, know pretty well you will.
So, if I'm reading this right, you are saying they hired the wrong people for the job. Either that or they hired people for a job that they knew couldn't be done.
Either way, the only solution to that is to remove the forum.
Is that what you are after?
Mr Epeen 
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |

Kyoko Sakoda
Veto. Veto Corp
4
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:18:00 -
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Today I'm reminded of why I'm a democratic socialist. My heart goes out to those who've lost their jobs and their families. |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
95
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:19:00 -
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Hey you 20% that quit CCP.
Can I haz your stuffz? |

Riflin' Betty
Perfunctory
22
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:19:00 -
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So after firing your entire community team, who will mod your fancy new forums?
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
95
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:20:00 -
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Riflin' Betty wrote:So after firing your entire community team, who will mod your fancy new forums?
That shows how much CCP care about the community, YOU the CUSTOMER, and you still want to pay them money?
CCP sent a very clear message, the Community of CUSTOMERS means diddly squat to them. Just their short term financials. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
389
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:21:00 -
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Riflin' Betty wrote:So after firing your entire community team, who will mod your fancy new forums?
TBH, I hope it's someone that makes sure people with permabans stay banned.
Mr Epeen  If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |

Barakkus
851
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:22:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Zeomebuch Nova wrote:Brit Green wrote:I'm not without sympathy for these folks, but part of their job was to keep the rabble under control. They failed at this. When you don't perform your job, you lose it. That's the way these things work. I will contract you to keep a white, rich, 15 years old nerdy intact in his way through a 5km long ghetto. This all will happen once it's enough dark, just because i enjoy making cretinous decisions. Your hands are your only tools. Don't blame me if you fail doing your job, which I, as your employer, know pretty well you will. So, if I'm reading this right, you are saying they hired the wrong people for the job. Either that or they hired people for a job that they knew couldn't be done. Either way, the only solution to that is to remove the forum. Is that what you are after? Mr Epeen 
No, I think the idea is the retards on this forum are not controllable, even by the hand of god himself. |

Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:22:00 -
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So you're stretched too thin, and you respond to that by reducing staff?
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
If you fired people over the incarna/nex/greed debacle that's one thing. But come out and say it. Don't try to paint it in some sort of positive light. And if that is the case, I sincerely hope you fired the right people, not scapegoats. |
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