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Bienator II madmen of the skies 1758	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:18:00 - [61] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: How do you like the new looting mechanic? i think the container icons are far to small. Remember how fun it was to hit the 2 square pixel overheating button before there was the shift shortcut? We have the same problem again just in the looting mechanic - but this time the buttons are moving. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
Finedele Science Ore and Technologie Insidious Associates 0	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:14:00 - [62] - Quote way too many container spewing out while there is way too much **** inside it
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. Aegis Solaris 1878	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:16:00 - [63] - Quote I found one high sec data site with 4 cans. Hacked all 4 on the first try, although one was quite close. One of the tools you find says it reduces the strength of the firewalls by a factor of two. But when you click on it...none of the strength numbers change. Its sort of confusing as to just what it does, or if its doing anything at all. The cans were all on top of each other. Im not sure about this spew mechanic. One one hand I'm getting good at it. On the other it seems... odd. I can see that it fits with the idea of having EVE be more than "activate module, wait, receive bacon". Just not sure this is the proper way. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
TurboX3 DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized. 8	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:31:00 - [64] - Quote Also, I think I'll do a few known issues: There are some performance issues related to the clouds in some sites The 0.0 sites have all the containers on top of each other Wormhole sites still have NPCs - they should be taken out like the other sites Containers do not despawn properly upon completion Anyway, weGÇÖll be watching the thread for potential changes, thanks guys. Soundwave[/quote] SOUNDWAVE - WTF regarding taking out NPC's in WH's (radar/mag)....... explain why? Its crazy & disappointing -10 You should make greater rewards in Wh space, like in 0.0 with officer mods (how about sleeper mods)???
Thor66777 Obstergo Polarized. 20	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:32:00 - [65] - Quote Wormhole sites still have NPCs - they should be taken out like the other sites What the **** is this? No they shouldn't, unless something it being done about the difficulty of the hacking mini-game, so wh take much longer than any other area.
Space Wanderer 75	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:50:00 - [66] - Quote Found a relic site, hacked all the 5 containers. With archeo 5 and T2 module the minigame is very very easy if you are just a bit careful. Not sure whether that's really what you want. I managed to catch about half of the ejected canisters without fitting my ships with nanos and/or ab/mwd. This still gives some canisters to catch for friends but is a good catch for solo explorer. I guess that you balanced that number pretty well.
Adunh Slavy 832	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:53:00 - [67] - Quote Grey Azorria wrote: There are major performance issues with ALL the clouds, in every site / mission in the entire game - can you please, please, please just remove the damn things already, or at least make them optional. It would probably be one of the most popular features in the entire expansion. /Signed
sXyphos The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:59:00 - [68] - Quote How about this radical yet logical change: You Hack the site: * if successfull you can grab the loot normally as currently on TQ *if unsuccessfull all the containers in the "structure" are spewed out and you are forced to erratically chase after them in hopes of geting something. I'm sorry if this overrides CCP's intention of co-op exploring but these sites are just wrong for this,if u want to bring people together through exploring focus on combat sites or create new types of sites designed specifically for this.
Bienator II madmen of the skies 1758	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:04:00 - [69] - Quote can you distribute the containers a little bit? why do they have to be all on top of each other.. the wreck is large enough and the data site thingy is even larger to have them on multiple locations. A proper solution would be to make parts of the structures looteable instead of using containers. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1178	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:05:00 - [70] - Quote The whole point of the loot spew is that it encourages bringing friends. The loot you can grab on your own is balanced to be worth doing alone, or should be once the drop tables are finalized. You might even get lucky and snag one of the high value cans and get something like a faction tower BPC. Because of the way it's setup, you can bring friends and not decrease your overall income, and maybe even increase it, since more cans means more shots at those juicy ones. And, the design means that the friends have to be actual friends instead of just a second or third account as with so many other supposedly "social" activities in eve. Because of this, if they were tuned for one person, you wouldn't be missing out on loot, because the extra loot you can't get on your own wouldn't be there in the first place. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
sXyphos The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:22:00 - [71] - Quote I see your point but the loot balance must be very thought over to make it worthwhile.Guess it's decent if u put it that way,constant income with a chance of a jackpot that increases with friends
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1178	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:28:00 - [72] - Quote sXyphos wrote: I see your point but the loot balance must be very thought over to make it worthwhile.Guess it's decent if u put it that way,constant income with a chance of a jackpot that increases with friends Well, chance of a jackpot regardless. Better chance of a jackpot with friends. Hope you trust your friends. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

CCP Soundwave C C P C C P Alliance 2508	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:38:00 - [73] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: Killua Zoldyeck wrote: I hope this is a bug, no NPC should spawn ever. If I fail to hack a can, my punishment is that the can loot is lost forever, not that a NPC comes and forces me to leave the site forever as I'm not able to kill it with a covert ops. Doesn't seem like a bug. If you fail a hack attempt once it spawns a single rat, if you fail it twice the can blows up. Which the blowing up part is cool. I don't mind the rats personally since it sets some bar especially in low-0.0 sites. The cans should be empty by default. If you fail a hack, rats will spawn.

Sven Viko VIkolander Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 65	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:39:00 - [74] - Quote mynnna wrote: The whole point of the loot spew is that it encourages bringing friends. The loot you can grab on your own is balanced to be worth doing alone, or should be once the drop tables are finalized. You might even get lucky and snag one of the high value cans and get something like a faction tower BPC. Because of the way it's setup, you can bring friends and not decrease your overall income, and maybe even increase it, since more cans means more shots at those juicy ones. And, the design means that the friends have to be actual friends instead of just a second or third account as with so many other supposedly "social" activities in eve. Because of this, if they were tuned for one person, you wouldn't be missing out on loot, because the extra loot you can't get on your own wouldn't be there in the first place. I don't think anyone has failed to understand the point of loot spew. I think people have failed to understand how anyone designing it could imagine it would be enjoyable in the first place... The one nice thing about the scanning changes is that it is an overall reduction in needless clicking, yet we get far more clicking introduced into the system with the mini-game and with the loot spew, and that's part of the problem with it. One thing I do like about the mini-game, unlike some, is that it forces a bit of a trade off between security (via dscan) and efficiency in the hacking game. Currently, explorers are almost perfectly safe in space, insofar as they can spam short-range d-scan every few seconds and see if any threats are in warp while not in any way limiting their isk efficiency. The hacking game in low sec so far seems like it requires more concentration. I'd like it to require even more critical thought, so that players have to think hard about trade-offs during the game, some of which involve security versus efficiency.
Killua Zoldyeck Jump Zero 3	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:43:00 - [75] - Quote Johan Toralen wrote: Did run 3 low sec guristas relic sites: Rat spawns are easy enough to run the sites in cov ops frig. I'm not sure how can you take down a Cruiser with an unarmed Covert Ops? Care to share your fit/ship? With a Buzzard I can't fit a Light Missile Luncher but even If I could do that, I'm not very convinced that 12 dps will kill the cruiser before it kills me with no tank. Let's say I train for the Helios that has the single drone. That will be 29 dps (can't fit a gun or I wouldn't be able to fit a Probe Launcher and Covert Ops Cloak, so that's the best it can do). In my eyes a single cruiser means I have to leave the site forever (I'm talking about low sec roaming so it's not really an option to switch to a combat ship. Also, switching to a combat ship it's not what an explorer should do in the expansion that promises to remove NPCs because "exploration is not about shooting at red crosses").
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1178	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:43:00 - [76] - Quote Well if people don't like the loot spew, that's another matter. But a fair number of the complaints I've seen have been essentially, "but I want to get ALL the loot why can't I get all the loot", which sort of indicates a missing of the point of the loot spew. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

CCP Soundwave C C P C C P Alliance 2508	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:43:00 - [77] - Quote Mario delTorres wrote: I think the ammount of spammed cans should be reduced. I just found guritas data site in lowsec. There was 3 data cans. When I've scaned them with cargo scanner: I've got: first and second has only 1 decryptor, third has 1 decryptor and about 40 datainterfaces parts. How many containters are spawned after successful hack? 15? 20? I wasn't count. But if it is 20 there is only 5% chance to catch this one with good loot. Inside other 95% are data sheets, small parts and so on. Relic sites has a little better. Inside cans are 2-3 kinds of loot, the chance is then better. The best is in nullsec when is 5-6 types of loot in one can. It should be repaired. I have 2 ideas: 1. An amount of containters spawned after succesful analyzinn should be based on amount of proper loot. 2. As told ew posts above.There shouldn't be worthless loot (data sheet etc), but in every spawned containter should be loot worth of sale. Let it be 1 or 2 cheapest exploration/salvage parts but let it be useful. I'll have to check tomorrow, but I think they're being reduced by 50%, to 12 as far as I remember. Like I said, I'll check at work tomorrow and post.

Omnathious Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 1048	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:44:00 - [78] - Quote mynnna wrote: sXyphos wrote: I see your point but the loot balance must be very thought over to make it worthwhile.Guess it's decent if u put it that way,constant income with a chance of a jackpot that increases with friends Well, chance of a jackpot regardless. Better chance of a jackpot with friends. Hope you trust your friends. Trusting friends is part of the reason that exploration has been mostly a solo gig. The chance for a jackpot is all well and good, but the loot table right now is so crappy a single person cannot make any isk, and we were told a solo explorer should make out with about the same amount if not a little more as currently. Ideas For Drone Improvement Repourpose Deep Space Scanner Probes
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1178	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:47:00 - [79] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: mynnna wrote: sXyphos wrote: I see your point but the loot balance must be very thought over to make it worthwhile.Guess it's decent if u put it that way,constant income with a chance of a jackpot that increases with friends Well, chance of a jackpot regardless. Better chance of a jackpot with friends. Hope you trust your friends. Trusting friends is part of the reason that exploration has been mostly a solo gig. The chance for a jackpot is all well and good, but the loot table right now is so crappy a single person cannot make any isk, and we were told a solo explorer should make out with about the same amount if not a little more as currently. True. Fortunately it's been said in this thread that they're going back over the loot tables now. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

CCP Soundwave C C P C C P Alliance 2508	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:48:00 - [80] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: mynnna wrote: sXyphos wrote: I see your point but the loot balance must be very thought over to make it worthwhile.Guess it's decent if u put it that way,constant income with a chance of a jackpot that increases with friends Well, chance of a jackpot regardless. Better chance of a jackpot with friends. Hope you trust your friends. Trusting friends is part of the reason that exploration has been mostly a solo gig. The chance for a jackpot is all well and good, but the loot table right now is so crappy a single person cannot make any isk, and we were told a solo explorer should make out with about the same amount if not a little more as currently. Loot table was doubled and more items were added (cap rigs, faction towers etc). It's more valuable than current TQ.

Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 3413	Posted - 2013.05.22 21:51:00 - [81] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: (the faction towers are back in) HALLELUJAH! Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Rob Crowley State War Academy 54	Posted - 2013.05.22 22:13:00 - [82] - Quote I did a couple Serpentis data and relic sites in highsec and lowsec and a data site in a C3 WH. My coherency was 90, my strength 20. There were a total of 14 easy debris cans, 11 medium rubble cans (WH cans were of this difficulty) and 1 hard remains can. I never had any trouble with the easy cans, I lost the minigame for 1 medium and 1 hard can, but succeeded on 2nd try for both. I usually managed to pick up maybe a bit less than half of the spew cans unless there were bugs as mentioned below. The Good The minigame as such is alright, it could use a bit more fleshing out as in more different defences and utilities, but it's fun as it is. The balancing seems mostly ok too, though a bit of fine-tuning might be needed. The Bad Anti-Virus Suppressors are too hard. The only way I could destroy them is using 2 utilities on them. I think they should at least die to 1 Secondary Vector used for the full 3 turns. The loot spewing mechanic is simply no fun at all. Twitchy dexterity gameplay + inherently laggy MMO environment = frustrating and annoying player experience. The loot was pretty horrible for all the sites, I barely got any of the regular items. I think out of the 14 easy containers I got exactly 1 spew can of regular loot. Also filling up my cargo with useless junk gets old really quick, how about making the useless cans just empty? Remove Small Arms from the loot table. Never try to sneak surprise contraband into my cargo! I mean it! The Ugly (Bugs) Sometimes the colouring of the loot cans doesn't work and they just stay white for a minute or so till they suddenly get coloured. This makes the timing of tractoring very hard. Sometimes the tractoring of loot cans doesn't work even though the can was green when I clicked it, might be that this happens when the cans are at the edge of max range, so possibly lag related. With 3 Anti-Virus Suppressors on the field I managed to destroy one of them using 2 Secondary Vectors and my strength went back to full 20 even though the other 2 Suppressors were still active. Firewall description claims it has high strength, Anti-Virus description claims it has high coherency. It's actually the other way round.
Omnathious Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 1049	Posted - 2013.05.22 22:17:00 - [83] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: Omnathious Deninard wrote: mynnna wrote: sXyphos wrote: I see your point but the loot balance must be very thought over to make it worthwhile.Guess it's decent if u put it that way,constant income with a chance of a jackpot that increases with friends Well, chance of a jackpot regardless. Better chance of a jackpot with friends. Hope you trust your friends. Trusting friends is part of the reason that exploration has been mostly a solo gig. The chance for a jackpot is all well and good, but the loot table right now is so crappy a single person cannot make any isk, and we were told a solo explorer should make out with about the same amount if not a little more as currently. Loot table was doubled and more items were added (cap rigs, faction towers etc). It's more valuable than current TQ. Am I doing something wrong then? All I ever seem to get is data sheets, scrap metal, small arms, and electronic parts. Ideas For Drone Improvement Repourpose Deep Space Scanner Probes

CCP Soundwave C C P C C P Alliance 2509	Posted - 2013.05.22 22:19:00 - [84] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: CCP Soundwave wrote: Omnathious Deninard wrote: mynnna wrote: sXyphos wrote: I see your point but the loot balance must be very thought over to make it worthwhile.Guess it's decent if u put it that way,constant income with a chance of a jackpot that increases with friends Well, chance of a jackpot regardless. Better chance of a jackpot with friends. Hope you trust your friends. Trusting friends is part of the reason that exploration has been mostly a solo gig. The chance for a jackpot is all well and good, but the loot table right now is so crappy a single person cannot make any isk, and we were told a solo explorer should make out with about the same amount if not a little more as currently. Loot table was doubled and more items were added (cap rigs, faction towers etc). It's more valuable than current TQ. Am I doing something wrong then? All I ever seem to get is data sheets, scrap metal, small arms, and electronic parts. Might be a product of us having 2x the number of cans intended. There should be a Sisi update tomorrow and it should be adressed. Also, there is a scheme to the loot containers (based on name) which should help you once you get that down.

Omnathious Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 1049	Posted - 2013.05.22 22:27:00 - [85] - Quote I will definitely try some more tomorrow and post my results. Ideas For Drone Improvement Repourpose Deep Space Scanner Probes
Aralieus Shadowbane Syndicate 123	Posted - 2013.05.22 22:33:00 - [86] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: Dax Buchanan wrote: There was a lot of negativity expressed towards the scatter mechanic, the difficulty / player skill required for the hacking game and the loot (ie: junk) released in this thread Has this been addressed? We've reduced the number of cans and are looking at loot table again. In general though, the scattering and picking up of cans remains. Can you allow them to have regular jet can mechanics then, stays in space for 1-2 hours Oderint Dum Metuant
AutumnWind1983 Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 40	Posted - 2013.05.22 22:38:00 - [87] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: Omnathious Deninard wrote: Forgive me if I am mistaken, but were all Data and Relic sites supposed to have no rats? Worm Hole Data and Relic Sites still seem to have sleepers. This should not be the case. Filed a quick bug report and added to the known problems in the OP. Does this mean the site can no longer be escalated? James Arget for CSM 8! http://csm.fcftw.org
Johan Toralen Clockwork X3 34	Posted - 2013.05.22 22:40:00 - [88] - Quote Killua Zoldyeck wrote: Johan Toralen wrote: Did run 3 low sec guristas relic sites: Rat spawns are easy enough to run the sites in cov ops frig. I'm not sure how can you take down a Cruiser with an unarmed Covert Ops? Care to share your fit/ship? You are right. I confused it with t1 frig.
Killua Zoldyeck Jump Zero 3	Posted - 2013.05.22 22:44:00 - [89] - Quote Johan Toralen wrote: Killua Zoldyeck wrote: Johan Toralen wrote: Did run 3 low sec guristas relic sites: Rat spawns are easy enough to run the sites in cov ops frig. I'm not sure how can you take down a Cruiser with an unarmed Covert Ops? Care to share your fit/ship? You are right. I confused it with t1 frig. I see :) Well, that's ok I guess. But exploring in Low Sec would be best in a Covert Ops, so I'd really love if CCP could remove the NPC spawns at least from low sec. I'm perfectly fine to be punished if I fail the minigame. Just destroy the can if I fail. I'll try with the others can. But an NPC spawn would mean that I lose the entire site and I think it's a bit too punishing.
EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 828	Posted - 2013.05.22 22:48:00 - [90] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: Have you played it after Sisi was deployed today? We've doubled the loot in each site (to account for cans you don't get), added new types (the faction towers are back in) and cut the number of cans in half. This should be in much better shape now (if it's not, we'll continue making changes of course). WHOA faction pos mod bpcs too? :happysun:

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