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Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
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Posted - 2013.05.25 15:15:00 -
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Par'Gellen wrote:Try it. It works for me every time. No need to have multiple folders for clients as all settings for each account are already stored in the settings folder (you can eve copy them around if need be). I can detail my exact setup if you'd like. Let me know. It's extremely simple.
dude. it is not as fast dosnt matter how many times I try it. currently I do this 1. click exe. ( for alts hit log off) 2. hit password button 3. hit enter now logged in
with launcher its 1. click exe 2. focus on password 3. hit password button 4. click enter 5. either close launcher or leave open to swap alts. if I leave it open I now have 16 programs running for 8 clients(8 totally pointless ones), if I close it I add more steps for swapping alts.
have no idea how you think that makes my life easier OMG when can i get a pic here
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2013.05.25 15:17:00 -
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Dzen Avi wrote:Finally!!! Found the way to skip the launcher! In the "bin" folder of EVE there is a file ExeFile.exe - it throws you directly to the old window when you choose your account and click play. Enjoy! Hmmm . . . |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
231
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Posted - 2013.05.25 15:20:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Will CCP repair the launcher (at least to former usability) before or after you remove the ability to start the game (bin/ExeFile)? You should note that we didn't remove the ability to logon through ExeFile.exe at the same time that we deployed the new EVE Launcher. It was always a risk that something could go wrong, and we didn't want to remove the only alternative. Whilst I can't give you an estimated time of arrival on when we will remove the old login screen, it will be at a point in time after people are comfortable with our new login paradigm and feel that the Launcher is offering them comparable functionality. Can I interpret this as your acceptance that the bugfix to the "new" "launcher" won't be removed?
Quote:The Singularity testing thread was run for almost four weeks, and to begin with was a goodwill opt in test. The logs we were seeing and the feedback we were getting, we felt that we were in a good position to release. One thing I have learnt is that goodwill testing isn't enough; for a change to the Launcher we should have made it a mandatory switch from the very beginning. It seems that you mistake my criticism as one based on lack of QA - that would be a mistake. I have no doubt that the majority of issues (settings and webservers in this case) were honest mistakes, and it is very clear from this and other threads that you have worked to solve those. That is why I, in the post you quoted here, prefaced it with asking you to not just consider the obvious flaws in the execution of the design, but the obvious flaws in the design itself. These problems are the ones I haven't seen you address at all, and it strikes me as symptomatic that in your direct responses to my post, you took my criticism as something else, or didn't respond, responded to something other than my question, or as below, didn't acknowledge it.
Quote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Given the almost 3k angry posts over 2 official threads (+ all the unofficial), do you recognise problems with the design itself of the launcher? The threads contain a real mix of responses: people initially unable to connect due to the webserver outage, people who dislike the design and paradigm change, people who have other computer issues and can't install the update at all, and more. I can't provide one answer that would speak to and answer all of them, doubly so given the rate at which the thread was growing; any response rapidly got lost in the other posts. |
Skex Relbore
Space Exploitation Inc Get Off My Lawn
239
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Posted - 2013.05.25 15:22:00 -
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Par'Gellen wrote:Try it. It works for me every time. No need to have multiple folders for clients as all settings for each account are already stored in the settings folder (you can even copy them around and rename them if need be for syncing settings between accounts). I can detail my exact setup if you'd like. Let me know. It's extremely simple.
I right click the ISboxer systray icon chose the character set I want and it launches all my clients for me with no further interaction, then I tab through enter passwords and I'm done each with their own environment variables and settings from a single install.
No way you are beating that functionality with this POS launcher,
Honestly I could give a damn about the launcher if they'd just leave the Exefile.exe functionality in place but apparently they don't believe in listening to their users. |
Par'Gellen
250
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Posted - 2013.05.25 15:26:00 -
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Just to be clear. If you have some bizarre scripted byzantine method for logging in your accounts faster that you could using the tools provided by CCP (now that they have fixed the "Launching..." delay) then I can fully understand how you'd be having trouble.
Keep in mind, no dev can anticipate every weird thing a user might do. Trust me I've been there. I've seen users break a steel ball with a rubber hammer. All a good dev can do is work within the scope of their own environment.
Anything else beyond that is coming from the goodness of their own heart and should not be demanded in raging posts about how some virtually incomprehensible tap dance no longer makes it rain.
I'm not saying there aren't issues that still need addressing. There are. However, with the steps I posted previously I'm just offering help to multiboxers for getting in quickly with the new launcher. If you refuse to do it this way then that is your call and bitching about it serves no purpose. CCP, I understand that "To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
549
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Posted - 2013.05.25 15:35:00 -
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Par'Gellen wrote:
Keep in mind, no dev can anticipate every weird thing a user might do. Trust me I've been there. I've seen users break a steel ball with a rubber hammer. All a good dev can do is work within the scope of their own environment.
the tool I was using are the ones I was provided by the eve client and the multibox support added to the old launcher/patcher after CCP took the time to hear peoples concerns and took the action any company should do when hearing of customer issues.
the tools are in fact still there, just have to by pass the extra program of annoyance that has been pushed onto us OMG when can i get a pic here
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CCP Atropos
C C P C C P Alliance
296
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:00:00 -
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Par'Gellen wrote:Dzen Avi wrote:Finally!!! Found the way to skip the launcher! In the "bin" folder of EVE there is a file ExeFile.exe - it throws you directly to the old window when you choose your account and click play. Enjoy! Only for a few more days. CCP has already confirmed that the ability to do this will be removed. We've never given a date, so I don't know where you've come across the idea that it will be in a few days. In many threads so far I've stated that it won't be before Odyssey, and I even stated only a few posts previously in this very thread "Whilst I can't give you an estimated time of arrival on when we will remove the old login screen, it will be at a point in time after people are comfortable with our new login paradigm and feel that the Launcher is offering them comparable functionality."
That won't be in a "few days" Product Owner, EVE Launcher | Team Special Circumstances |
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Kyjen Geashi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:12:00 -
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I need help with reinstalling EVE the message i get is Archive extraction failed: 3. |
Par'Gellen
250
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:13:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Par'Gellen wrote:Dzen Avi wrote:Finally!!! Found the way to skip the launcher! In the "bin" folder of EVE there is a file ExeFile.exe - it throws you directly to the old window when you choose your account and click play. Enjoy! Only for a few more days. CCP has already confirmed that the ability to do this will be removed. We've never given a date, so I don't know where you've come across the idea that it will be in a few days. In many threads so far I've stated that it won't be before Odyssey, and I even stated only a few posts previously in this very thread "Whilst I can't give you an estimated time of arrival on when we will remove the old login screen, it will be at a point in time after people are comfortable with our new login paradigm and feel that the Launcher is offering them comparable functionality." That won't be in a "few days" Odyssey is only a few days away. Unless something has changed that I missed. It is currently almost the end of May you know... CCP, I understand that "To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
Kyjen Geashi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:15:00 -
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i was not able to update the launcher so i thought that reinstalling EVE would help
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CCP Atropos
C C P C C P Alliance
296
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:16:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Can I interpret this as your acceptance that the bugfix to the "new" "launcher" won't be removed? Yes
Alphea Abbra wrote:It seems that you mistake my criticism as one based on lack of QA - that would be a mistake. I have no doubt that the majority of issues (settings and webservers in this case) were honest mistakes, and it is very clear from this and other threads that you have worked to solve those. That is why I, in the post you quoted here, prefaced it with asking you to not just consider the obvious flaws in the execution of the design, but the obvious flaws in the design itself. These problems are the ones I haven't seen you address at all, and it strikes me as symptomatic that in your direct responses to my post, you took my criticism as something else, or didn't respond, responded to something other than my question, or as below, didn't acknowledge it. If you feel I didn't answer your question then I apologise, it's not my intent to prevaricate.
Alphea Abbra wrote:CCP Atropos wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Given the almost 3k angry posts over 2 official threads (+ all the unofficial), do you recognise problems with the design itself of the launcher? The threads contain a real mix of responses: people initially unable to connect due to the webserver outage, people who dislike the design and paradigm change, people who have other computer issues and can't install the update at all, and more. I can't provide one answer that would speak to and answer all of them, doubly so given the rate at which the thread was growing; any response rapidly got lost in the other posts. [/quote] You will need to itemise the problems you see with the EVE Launcher if you want exact answer, since what one person may see as a problem, others might not: you need only look at some of the posts only a few before this one to see that there are already differing opinions on what people deem a problem; for example those discussing the usage of multiple accounts.
I saw a post stating that they found it fine to log in with multiple accounts, saying it was as fast, if not faster, than the old method. I now have to determine if that person is the exception or not, and to do that people need to forward me their issues and concerns. Many already have, and I think it's safe to conclude that in this instance it was an exceptional case, and not representative of everyone else. I'm not going to tell you that the design is perfect, but it's something that we're actively iterating upon: there have been changes made to the design already, taken directly from our own experience and the player feedback here. Product Owner, EVE Launcher | Team Special Circumstances |
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Kyjen Geashi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:23:00 -
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well i can't even get in game or do any thing with it at all so if this is what i get i could stop all of it and keep my money for other things all i'm trying do is get help because every thing i tried has not worked. |
Kyjen Geashi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:24:00 -
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plus i uninstalled the game so yeah no way to play now |
Par'Gellen
250
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:24:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote: saw a post stating that they found it fine to log in with multiple accounts, saying it was as fast, if not faster, than the old method. I now have to determine if that person is the exception or not, and to do that people need to forward me their issues and concerns. Many already have, and I think it's safe to conclude that in this instance it was an exceptional case, and not representative of everyone else. I'm not going to tell you that the design is perfect, but it's something that we're actively iterating upon: there have been changes made to the design already, taken directly from our own experience and the player feedback here. If you are talking about my post earlier I can't imagine how I would be the exception to the rule. I just open the launcher, select the account I'd like to log in, enter password, click log in, then click switch user account, repeat. Very fast. CCP, I understand that "To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
Kyjen Geashi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:30:00 -
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no it's ok i was trying to fix it on my end and to see if it was my system that was the problem but i can't even get the game installed now. |
Serious Desire
Annoyance. Primal Force
5
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:39:00 -
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New launcher sucks guys. One step forward two steps back.
What happened to the ability to "log off" button? I guess you didn't think we liked that little tidbit so you removed it? Nice customer focused programming there.
I agree with all the other 22 pages of responses in this topic. You've screwed the pooch on multi-account users, basically giving them the finger.
Oh well. 7 years of this. I'm obviously a glutton for punishment. |
Kyjen Geashi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:41:00 -
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oh and the offline installer does not work at this moment. Not sure why but i'm in limbo till thay fix there install server and file structure because i should have problems downloads of any files needed for EVE |
Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
549
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:42:00 -
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Serious Desire wrote:New launcher sucks guys. One step forward two steps back.
What happened to the ability to "log off" button? I guess you didn't think we liked that little tidbit so you removed it? Nice customer focused programming there.
I agree with all the other 22 pages of responses in this topic. You've screwed the pooch on multi-account users, basically giving them the finger.
Oh well. 7 years of this. I'm obviously a glutton for punishment.
just keep using the eve exe in the bin folder. as its been stated that its not going to be removed any time soon.
granted you need to use the launcher to patch the client. but that I think is a small price to pay to keep multibox functionality in the client OMG when can i get a pic here
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Par'Gellen
250
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:43:00 -
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I should probably add that I'm on Windows 7 64-bit and get no zombie launchers. XP mileage may vary using my method above. CCP, I understand that "To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
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CCP Atropos
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:44:00 -
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Kyjen Geashi wrote:oh and the offline installer does not work at this moment. Not sure why but i'm in limbo till thay fix there install server and file structure because i should have problems downloads of any files needed for EVE I don't know of any issues with the offline installer. I can provide you with hashes of the files if you're experiencing a corruption whilst downloading, or wish to use an alternate download manager.
From my experience, error messages like the one you posted originally point to a corrupted download. Product Owner, EVE Launcher | Team Special Circumstances |
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Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
549
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:46:00 -
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Par'Gellen wrote:I should probably add that I'm on Windows 7 64-bit and get no zombie launchers. XP mileage may vary using my method above.
me too, I just don't like the fact with 8 installs I need to give 700mb of ram to a program just to open a program. that's nearly a whole clients worth of ram right there OMG when can i get a pic here
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Kyjen Geashi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:46:00 -
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that eseyer sead then it is to do if the Bin folder was uninstalled now i can't even install the game because the installer does not work any more |
Kyjen Geashi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:48:00 -
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payload 1 and 2 have 0 bytes so there of no use to fix my problem |
Par'Gellen
250
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:50:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote:Par'Gellen wrote:I should probably add that I'm on Windows 7 64-bit and get no zombie launchers. XP mileage may vary using my method above. me too, I just don't like the fact with 8 installs I need to give 700mb of ram to a program just to open a program. that's nearly a whole clients worth of ram right there Odd. I leave the launcher open indefinitely while playing and right now with 4 accounts in it is using 123MB. That is an incredibly large number for something as simple as a launcher and I was quite surprised to see it that high. That has been my experience with Python though. It eats memory like popcorn :( CCP, I understand that "To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
Kyjen Geashi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:52:00 -
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how meny times do i have to download the installer an keep in mined that the old installer well not work as well. |
Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
549
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:53:00 -
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Par'Gellen wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote:Par'Gellen wrote:I should probably add that I'm on Windows 7 64-bit and get no zombie launchers. XP mileage may vary using my method above. me too, I just don't like the fact with 8 installs I need to give 700mb of ram to a program just to open a program. that's nearly a whole clients worth of ram right there Odd. I leave the launcher open indefinitely while playing and right now with 4 accounts in it is using 123MB. That is an incredibly large number for something as simple as a launcher and I was quite surprised to see it that high. That has been my experience with Python though. It eats memory like popcorn :(
8 launchers for 8 clients from 8 installs.
each account has its own client, for setting, monitor allocations and account names(I forget which is which all the time, so the short cut is called that accounts toons) OMG when can i get a pic here
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Par'Gellen
250
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:02:00 -
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Here is an idea for alleviating the launcher's python memory bloat issue. How about adding into the launcher the ability to enter specific client path and startup information for each account? This way you can launch multiple clients from different paths from the same launcher and would be a very simple thing to do. It could easily be coded in an afternoon (if that). CCP, I understand that "To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
Kblackjack54
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
106
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:03:00 -
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All depends on your choice of 'Method' used when logging in multiple characters.
My own personal choice is to select those needed for a list of over forty 'Corp works a *****' then using the 'ExE' open the required numbers of clients, fill in the details and hit connect on each screen,,Pre Selection method I believe some have called it, this allows me to log in 10 or so clients....without the background clutter of multiple log in screens currently reported in these forums, just leaves me with a neat row of ' Evefile.exe *32 ' equaling the number of clients I have running and nothing more.
Others appear to be happy to trudge through the current log on screen process and accept the crud that goes with it including the eyesore of the log in screen.
My guess would be the purist players will go for the former method every time when using large numbers of characters simply for the ease of use.
Comments heard when discussing this mess in Corp and Alliance often revolve around the fact that it is felt the log in process currently offered is slow tedious and unduly effected by intrusive advertising which is not why they come to play EVE, commercial considerations aside it should also be noted that when asked what sort of time they spend reading EVE forums and more interestingly when they do this reveals they actually do spend a lot of time there, but normally when log into the game and either engaged in some mundane activity or sitting in stations were they have all the other benefits that come with being logged in to hand, and not when logging into the game. |
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CCP Atropos
C C P C C P Alliance
296
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:05:00 -
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Par'Gellen wrote:CCP Atropos wrote: saw a post stating that they found it fine to log in with multiple accounts, saying it was as fast, if not faster, than the old method. I now have to determine if that person is the exception or not, and to do that people need to forward me their issues and concerns. Many already have, and I think it's safe to conclude that in this instance it was an exceptional case, and not representative of everyone else. I'm not going to tell you that the design is perfect, but it's something that we're actively iterating upon: there have been changes made to the design already, taken directly from our own experience and the player feedback here. If you are talking about my post earlier I can't imagine how I would be the exception to the rule. I just open the launcher, select the account I'd like to log in, enter password, click log in, then click switch user account, repeat. Very fast. Please don't misconstrue what I said; I love the fact that you find it better and faster (that was essentially the point) it's just that from the tone of the forum not many people agree with your position.
I want to work with those who don't agree and find either ways to meet them in the middle, bring them around to my point of thinking or come up with an acceptable solution Product Owner, EVE Launcher | Team Special Circumstances |
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Par'Gellen
250
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:07:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Par'Gellen wrote:CCP Atropos wrote: saw a post stating that they found it fine to log in with multiple accounts, saying it was as fast, if not faster, than the old method. I now have to determine if that person is the exception or not, and to do that people need to forward me their issues and concerns. Many already have, and I think it's safe to conclude that in this instance it was an exceptional case, and not representative of everyone else. I'm not going to tell you that the design is perfect, but it's something that we're actively iterating upon: there have been changes made to the design already, taken directly from our own experience and the player feedback here. If you are talking about my post earlier I can't imagine how I would be the exception to the rule. I just open the launcher, select the account I'd like to log in, enter password, click log in, then click switch user account, repeat. Very fast. Please don't misconstrue what I said; I love the fact that you find it better and faster (that was essentially the point) it's just that from the tone of the forum not many people agree with your position. I want to work with those who don't agree and find either ways to meet them in the middle, bring them around to my point of thinking or come up with an acceptable solution Oh sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought you meant you were wondering if my method was strange. I was just saying I couldn't imagine how using the product as intended might be an odd way of doing it My bad. CCP, I understand that "To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
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