Nano Cynabal (no links, no snakes) at 50km

Eagle/Zealot/Deimos/Muninn with relevant ammo -> maximum damage
(No matter which direction the cruiser is facing, awesome transversal or not, etc.)

Heavy missile, faction -> at 50km you won't hit because your missiles are too slow. Unless your ship has a bonus to velocity of missiles.
Cerberus with Faction -> your missiles hit for 30% of maximum damage only.
(Take a usual non-nano cruiser, you still won't do more than 50%, even if he rushes towards you with no transversal.)



"If the target is close missiles will hit better".
Yes. How close though?

Turrets
T2 hi-tracking (and hi-damage) ammo -> arty/beam/rails will still do close to maximum damage to such a nano cruiser when he has top transversal at 20km.
Things only get bad if you get caught under 20km and if the target manage to keep extremely hi transveral (and then, you failed hard and deserve to die :D ).

Missiles
No, even if he gets close and you use precision (low damage) a vanilla cynabal with no boost no snakes will not take more than half of your (very bad) dps. He does not even need to keep a good transversal!


Of course all of this gets even worse with AB, against frigates, or signature bonused ships (HACs, Inties, Talwars, AFs). You simply cannot apply dps reliably to those unless they are webbed and painted.
With turrets, you only need a small instant of low transversal (and you can compensate that with your own speed when you know how to pvp) to hit for max damage (it's still hard to do on inties and AB frigs, but easy on everything else)

Here is the heavy missile problem in a nutshell: damage application is aweful even on unbonused, non-nano cruisers.

Add to this the aweful way CCP has to force all Caldari missile-using cruisers/BC in kinetic only damage, the travel time... And you get the absolute worse weapon system for cruisers/BCs.

I almost forgot to ask.

Are you going to do anything about the utterly obscene amount of PG it takes to fit all but the smallest and most useless of medium rails? Or no?

Hybrid bonused cruisers struggle to fit rails. Being able to fit these things without foregoing tank and requiring AWU V would probably result in their use, rather than giving stats to guns that people don't fit because they don't fit.

Hey CCP maybe it's time to admit the HML nerf was heavy-handed and short-sighted

The introduction of ABCs was really all the nerf the Drake needed tbh

Medium Artillery:
+10% Rate of Fire
-5% Tracking

Thats just laughable .
CCP does not simply buff Minmatar weapons and ships, yes ?

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/188kfa791ev5xjpg/original.jpg

Thats just laughable .
CCP does not simply buff Minmatar weapons and ships, yes ?

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/188kfa791ev5xjpg/original.jpg

Any chance we can get a artillery damage bonus instead of a rate of fire bonus? I like alpha

sure 5% dmg boost instead of 10% rof there u go

brb refitting ferox

also. Are you going to de-crap heavy missiles now? Before the reason you nerfed them was because you thought buffing all the long range turrets was too much "power creep". Fozzie? Any say on this?

What about heavy missiles , did you not long ago balance these ( nerf to hell and back ) with other shonky lange range mediums.

If your going to boost long range mediums which is needed please do all 4 ( include missiles ).

why not rebalance rail guns this way

150's have great tracking
200 have great falloff
150's have great optimal range.

that way ships like the thorax can take advantage of 150's for tracking or the diemos for 200's for fall off or the moa/eagle for 250's for optimal range

HML's are just about the most pressing issue in this thread about medium turrets, we are all waiting with baited breath here.......

Caldari have always been a joke at PVP when flying anything larger than a frigate

Dual 150mm Rails and Quad Light Beams are crap as is, with short optimal and fall off range, reducing their tracking even further doesn't make much sense.
At that point you might as well fit Electron Blasters/ Dual180mm Auto canons with better tracking and similar engagement envelope with T2 long range ammo (Null/ Barrage) and call it a day.

If at all possible keep the current tracking stats on Dual 150mm Rail guns and Quad Light Beam Lasers, while buffing Damage / ROF

Mr missile hater thank you for your concern.

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No

Mr missile hater thank you for your concern.


Now, as someone who flies everything I welcome these changes to medium sized long range weapons but keep the same feedback:
HML need to be buffed.

Train sarcasm detection up a lvl or two.