It Is Time To Fix How turrets use Sig and Tracking

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Missle's Need to be added to this balance.

Missles were nerfed and Once this update comes, they will be soo far behind.[/b]

The deimos is quite clearly NOT designed to be strapped with blasters.. Its pretty awful at it.

Not that its amazing at rails, like trouser said, its fittings can't accommodate armor tanking and rails. Also its slow.. Bringing us back to the Why the **** is the Vaga so fast compared to the deimos thing.

the problem, CCP, is not with medium guns...

it's with BS sized guns. This is true even for missiles. Nearly all battleships, after your last pass through, are capped at around 700-800 dps with long range weapons, and lvl 5 skills. That is where the problem lies. People expect that a battlehsip should face a significant improvment in dps over their medium setups, and in most cases, it's not.

The jump in dps from small ships to medium is huge. from 200 dps to 500, or 700, or sometimes 800. Then we move from the cruisers/battlecriusers getting 700, to a battlehsip getting 750.

the PROBLEM, ccp, is that battlehsips NEED 20% more damage on every weapons system, across the board... and torps/large blasters need 15-20% more BASE range.

i know you're afraid of power creep...

that is obvious, when you have made EVERY caldari bs with missiles (Navy raven, navy scorp, and golem), EXACTLY the same dps, exactly. you're afraid to create diversity, and it's KILLING your ships. nearly every BS out there gets within 50 dps of other races, other weapons systems. that's BROKEN. dont make the dps the same, and hope the other ship roles make them viable.

and battleships shouldnt be somehting that you're afraid to let some power into.

dont nerf the hell out of medium rails (who track terribly anyway), buff the larges! they dont have enough dps, by a LONG ways. they dont have enough dps on ANY platform.

but i've only been playing 9 years, with every race...

maybe all that first hand experience is wrong.

and you're also making ships REQUIRE a rig to get a fit on... a standard, baseline, everyone should be using it fit--needs fitting rigs. STOP THAT.

thanks.

the PROBLEM, ccp, is that battlehsips NEED 20% more damage on every weapons system, across the board... and torps/large blasters need 15-20% more BASE range.

Are you seriously comparing cruiser close range dps to bs long range dps to make a really bad point? BS top out at 1200-1500 dps with CR weapons Cruisers top out at 400-550 dps with long range weapons. Get your facts straight.

therefore, the mediums KEEP UP. it's the double bonus that's making it SEEM like mediums are keeping up with a large--when in reality, the base for the large needs to go up, to distance itself from the mediums.

Where are the missiles in all this?

858dps rail astarte 1016 with drones @ 20o+27f

Confirming rails are now OP and need to be nerfed

CCP, I appreciate the love for medium rails (and beams)! Please, though, stop avoiding the white elephant in the room. The T3 BCs (Attack BCs) are wrecking everything. You can't balance HACs (long- or close-range) or medium long-range weapons as long as you have these OP monsters in the room.

They are wrecking balance. They're still too fast, too strong, and too agile to not wreck other ships. They don't have as good tracking and their bullets are larger? --Doesn't matter. The buff they get from raw damage--8 bonused large turrets!!--outweighs any loss they get from tracking or the fact that their target is generally smaller than the charge signature. You guys ought to do something drastic like knock them down to 7 or even 6 turrets and then maybe you can find a compelling argument to how the medium long-range weapons systems fit into the picture.

I'm glad you're tackling the medium long-range weapons imbalance. It will genuinely be nice to have an option to use rails or beams, but as long as those T3 BCs are out there, you guys will continually be playing catch up to them, be it kiting fits, dps numbers, etc. The Attack Battlecruisers are the problem. Start there first. Then everything else will be loads easier to work around.

CCP Rise is there any intention to do a ammo review ?
-50% and -75% penalties are too high for long range guns

People seem to have issues with the T3 BC. But honestly, aren't they just less tanky battleships? All of their damage numbers should be similar to that of a battleship and they should be much easier to kill thanks to their weak tanks. So what am I missing that they are seen as over powered?

rise are you out of youre fr##king mind ?????

first youre making useless changes to industrials

n0ow youre ruin9ing my favorit ship the insta cane


i hope youre dev career is going te be freaking short !!!!!!

He is not Soloing the entire balance department you idiot. Stuff like this gets put to the CSM and has alot more devs than just Rise working on it.

Wow Wow WOW



I just realized something. CCP is buffing medium long range turrents without fixing drones!!!!


Why is CCP Buffing Medium long range Turrents while leaving drones and Sentry's F*cked?

This right here.

These bonuses MUST be reviewed if all LR medium guns take about 10% additional tracking penalties.

if you would have readet they do not get buffed

they get NERVED

More like SR gun t2 ammo should have penalties as high as that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT8VqVcLDqc



Astarte, Brutix, Celestis?
That's interesting setup...



Missiles are fine. Well, defenders need some work.

Yes HM's are fine NOW, with all other weapons 20% buffed, there's an imbalance. HM's used to be OP but were nerfed to bring them into line with other LR weapons and currently on TQ they're definitely not 20% better than all other medium LR weapons but leaving them out of this buff is basically saying they are.