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Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:49:00 - [181] Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 15/08/2003 23:59:23 Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 15/08/2003 23:52:08 I'm happy with the game as it is - it lets ME do what I want free of hindrance from messed-up game dynamics. I don't really have to wory about getting ganked by CONCORD - I know the rules of the game and I play to them. Trying to FORCE the rules by behaving like a podkilling ass in 1.0 space isn't the way to go. However, Eve is not about me. It's about everyone and things do need fixing. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:51:00 - [182] Quote: Edited by: Photon on 15/08/2003 23:40:31 ffs stop whining about it, file petitions, send mail to the developers, make threads in the ideas forum, and play the game as it is... The only dev that actually bothered to answer and didn't avoid the topic like the red plague was laid off a couple weeks back. I think people would love to play the game like it is...cept it keeps changing from patch to patch with no clear direction on how Spontaneous PvP and Piracy fit into Eve. And no clear statement from a single person on why they seem to vacillate back and forth between promoting piracy and punishing people for participating in it. Eventually people get frustrated playing that game. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:53:00 - [183] didn't you read the warning "game experience may change during gameplay" :) -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Quantum Matrix	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:58:00 - [184] Actually, You can instalock anyone who appears in a system having just jumped in. It's not an NPC only thing. I've known people to get podded before their screens load if they appear at the same planet as some pirates. I've also locked someone in the same way when they appeared. -QM What do we want? Brains! When do we want them? Brains!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:01:00 - [185] Quote: didn't you read the warning "game experience may change during gameplay" :) Yes. Does that make it right? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:03:00 - [186] nope it dosn't but as i said in another post here, just live with the game. Most mmpog's have their up and downs in exploits, bugs, and balancing issues. But they all have a tendancy to solve themselfs. just play the game =) -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Karif	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:11:00 - [187] No, it is just Sentry Guns and CONCORD/Security forces are now doing the damage they should be doing. YOU just don't like the outcome. It is that simple. I would know, I've taken on CONCORD and Racial security forces. Was one of the very first things I did in fact once I figured out most of the basics. Oh, I'm sorry, was I not supposed to do that? Was I not supposed to know how they reacted, what kind of damage and how much they put out? Accept my most humble apology for actually know what the security force was capable of doing. I cannot possibly begin to apologize for realizing that this was coming a few weeks ago, given this history of the MMORPG genre. Have a nice day. =============================== Deception + Information + Skill
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:14:00 - [188] Perhaps all security ratings should be put back to zero. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:17:00 - [189] i think that would create more whining instead of stoping it :) -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Kronarty	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:24:00 - [190] 1st of all, all those pk'ers complaining about being killed before they get the control of their ship, should first think about all those times they have killed people right after exiting warp IN THE SAME EXACT WAY. 2nd, I don't really understand what the fuss is about CONCORD attacking the worst criminals in the galaxy in the safest systems possible. Do you expect a north-korean carrier docking in New York?

j0sephine	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:30:00 - [191] Edited by: j0sephine on 16/08/2003 00:31:02 "2nd, I don't really understand what the fuss is about CONCORD attacking the worst criminals in the galaxy in the safest systems possible. Do you expect a north-korean carrier docking in New York?" sighs It's not about the fact they attack, but about how this attack is carried out. Since so many seem to be enamoured in real life analogies, how often does the police kill the criminals without any warning, instead of giving them at least one chance first to give up so they can be arrested?..
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:32:00 - [192] Edited by: Jash Illian on 16/08/2003 00:35:36 Quote: No, it is just Sentry Guns and CONCORD/Security forces are now doing the damage they should be doing. YOU just don't like the outcome. It is that simple. I would know, I've taken on CONCORD and Racial security forces. Was one of the very first things I did in fact once I figured out most of the basics. Oh, I'm sorry, was I not supposed to do that? Was I not supposed to know how they reacted, what kind of damage and how much they put out? Accept my most humble apology for actually know what the security force was capable of doing. I cannot possibly begin to apologize for realizing that this was coming a few weeks ago, given this history of the MMORPG genre. Have a nice day. So you honestly believe that if a player gets a Concord Bship he'll be doing 400hp damage with perfect accuracy and faster lock times than a Vigil? Or the player owned sentry guns will be anywhere near what the sentry guns on gates will be? (<-- That has to be the most used icon on these forums) I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:35:00 - [193] Quote: Perhaps all security ratings should be put back to zero. Shoulda been done when they changed the sec bonus for killing an npc pirate. If agents start becoming more valuable, CCP is stuck with the quandry of how to reward those that earned their standing with the various factions instead of waltz through it while things were fubared. But shoulda, coulda, woulda all ends in "Didn't" as someone once told me. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Deathwing	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:36:00 - [194] Quote: 2nd, I don't really understand what the fuss is about CONCORD attacking the worst criminals in the galaxy in the safest systems possible. I dont know about you, but I dont consider a -2.5 sec status entitles people to be branded to "worst criminals in the galaxy" do you even know what you have to do to get -2.5? you kill one person, ONE PERSON and you get sent to like -2.7 Hers an idea for the traders and miners out here. You know those little pirate npc's that sit at gates in .7 to 0 sec space? Lets jack them up so they can insta lock you, web and jam you from 20k+ and have them insta spawn back to life with twice the numbers when you kill them! Wouldnt that be an idea! How about you ignorant (hate to use the word) Carebears pull your head out of the ground open your tiny little minds and try to look at both sides of the story here for once <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Duncan Barr	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:40:00 - [195] Quote: Quote: to put it this way, if i entered a back alley of a city i wouldn't know if something bad was gonna happen. If a wanted criminal went into a police station things would happen quite fast. i can agree that there should be some decent de-tours tough Then CCP needs to give us realistic ways to go region to region without having to pass through your sacred empire space. 90-100 jumps to go anywhere isn't realistic, that's like 4-5 hours of travelling. I don't have ten hours to go back and forth to different regions.. do you? This is a game afterall. Agree- it also works both way a lot of us noobs are forced to go through 0.4-0.5 systems that contain Moo gate campers. Even then thats the safest route.
Sally	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:40:00 - [196] Quote: How about you ignorant (hate to use the word) Carebears pull your head out of the ground open your tiny little minds and try to look at both sides of the story here for once I can't believe that some has actually asked this . -- Stories: #1 --
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:48:00 - [197] Edited by: Tank CEO on 16/08/2003 00:52:28 Edited by: Tank CEO on 16/08/2003 00:51:42 Concord can kill you in 10 seconds when ur in a battleship, hmm somethings wrong don't ya think. Concord can lock onto u in not even a second, hmm, webifie you from 20km away AND their warp dis goes 50km+ o and about 10 battleships warp in at that. Hmmm somethings wrong, hmmm if a computer cant warp you out faster then a computer locking onto you, then somethings wrong dont u think. Why is it that concord does have the same lock speed as us meaning 7+ seconds. ---
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:57:00 - [198] Quote: Quote: Quote: to put it this way, if i entered a back alley of a city i wouldn't know if something bad was gonna happen. If a wanted criminal went into a police station things would happen quite fast. i can agree that there should be some decent de-tours tough Then CCP needs to give us realistic ways to go region to region without having to pass through your sacred empire space. 90-100 jumps to go anywhere isn't realistic, that's like 4-5 hours of travelling. I don't have ten hours to go back and forth to different regions.. do you? This is a game afterall. Agree- it also works both way a lot of us noobs are forced to go through 0.4-0.5 systems that contain Moo gate campers. Even then thats the safest route. m0o isn't and can't be everywhere. I've been in < .5 space since the day I made my character in the 2nd month after release. I've been attacked by pirates twice in those areas. Neither time for anything but loss of shield strength. You're jumping at shadows. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Xelios	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:01:00 - [199] Tank, maybe 1.0 space is simply off limits for someone with a -10.0 sec rating now? I don't buy this "I needed ammo" story for a second, but even if I did why not simply pay someone to get you some? Or take an alt? Or make your own? Or ask your pirate friends if they could make you some? You have the lowest sec rating possible, and you expect to freely travel through the most secure system in the EVE universe? Give me a break, anything you need can be bought in a lower sec system, and anything you need from a 1.0 system you can get using an alt or someone else.
wordy	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:37:00 - [200] Edited by: wordy on 16/08/2003 01:39:21 Quote: Concord can kill you in 10 seconds when ur in a battleship, hmm somethings wrong don't ya think. Concord can lock onto u in not even a second, hmm, webifie you from 20km away AND their warp dis goes 50km+ o and about 10 battleships warp in at that. Hmmm somethings wrong, hmmm if a computer cant warp you out faster then a computer locking onto you, then somethings wrong dont u think. Why is it that concord does have the same lock speed as us meaning 7+ seconds. Concord are using completely different tech lvl equipment to us to you can't really compare performance between player controlled assests and Concord assest. Also as the law enforcement agecny funded by the empires of EVE I would've thought that they would've been able to deploy some serious firepower in large quantities. You are saying that there is a problem when you are disabled before you can make your escape. IMHO there would be more of a problem if Concord allowed you to escape, then you would be free to carry on your murderous ramage and innocent pilots would have been killed, In what is supposed to be secure space. That would mean Concord would've failed to protect plilots in these safe havens. "Hey, I am cool. My mum said so!" - Milhouse Van Houten

Duncan Barr	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:48:00 - [201] Quote: Quote: 2nd, I don't really understand what the fuss is about CONCORD attacking the worst criminals in the galaxy in the safest systems possible. I dont know about you, but I dont consider a -2.5 sec status entitles people to be branded to "worst criminals in the galaxy" do you even know what you have to do to get -2.5? you kill one person, ONE PERSON and you get sent to like -2.7 Hers an idea for the traders and miners out here. You know those little pirate npc's that sit at gates in .7 to 0 sec space? Lets jack them up so they can insta lock you, web and jam you from 20k+ and have them insta spawn back to life with twice the numbers when you kill them! Wouldnt that be an idea! How about you ignorant (hate to use the word) Carebears pull your head out of the ground open your tiny little minds and try to look at both sides of the story here for once LMFAO- I really dont think its the carebears who are failing to see both sides of the story! People are just taking the opportunity to enjoy the unexpected actions to clamp down on exploiters. Hey, if people didnt do it then they wouldnt get punished for it. Theyve made the choice. Difference is people who fall foul of exploiters have no such choice but to sit there watching there piece of **** ships go to the wall.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:49:00 - [202] There is no such thing as 100% secure, its cheat, really I mean sure 1.0 space should heave big frigging police ships, but not cheats like instalock and stuff. They should have to work for it too. -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Amorex	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:54:00 - [203] Quote: Quote: You choose to be a pirate, now pay a price for that choiсe. shut up carebear pirate your comments are irrelevant because you guys still dont' know what you are and plain simply your just another pirate corp trying to deny their ways. Hm..very smart. Now pleas explain to me. 1. Why you called me carebear? 2. Why you called me pirate? 3. If you know more about us that we, hten tell us. 4. Why you called my corp a pirate corp. 5. If you have some evidence of pirating then please show it. If you can't tell me all this, then be nice and keep quaet. And if you not so strong and brave to meet a consiquanses of you way of play, then why you choose it?
Duncan Barr	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:54:00 - [204] Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: to put it this way, if i entered a back alley of a city i wouldn't know if something bad was gonna happen. If a wanted criminal went into a police station things would happen quite fast. i can agree that there should be some decent de-tours tough Then CCP needs to give us realistic ways to go region to region without having to pass through your sacred empire space. 90-100 jumps to go anywhere isn't realistic, that's like 4-5 hours of travelling. I don't have ten hours to go back and forth to different regions.. do you? This is a game afterall. Agree- it also works both way a lot of us noobs are forced to go through 0.4-0.5 systems that contain Moo gate campers. Even then thats the safest route. m0o isn't and can't be everywhere. I've been in < .5 space since the day I made my character in the 2nd month after release. I've been attacked by pirates twice in those areas. Neither time for anything but loss of shield strength. You're jumping at shadows. Maybe Ive just been particularly unlucky as I learn the game, just because it doesnt happen to you often, it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. Personally Ive lost 4 ships to Moo campers in those areas- quite pointless as 2 ships were new empty ships. TBH I dont mind pirates who give me a chance to hand over loot- but when you lose an empty badger II that cost you most of your cash to 5 battleships you do wonder what the point is.
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:55:00 - [205] Edited by: Photon on 16/08/2003 01:55:23 I wish they implented imprisonment If some guy tried to enter 1.0 space the police (concord) would web him, warp scramble him, and target disrupt him for all their worth. Then instead of killing the battleship I.E they would tow it to a station where some1 had to pay bail or something to get him out hehe edit: of course i mean some1 with a low sec rating. Im thinking of less than -0.5 -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:56:00 - [206] Quote: I wish they implented imprisonment If some guy tried to enter 1.0 space the police (concord) would web him, warp scramble him, and target disrupt him for all their worth. Then instead of killing the battleship I.E they would tow it to a station where some1 had to pay bail or something to get him out hehe So you'd deny a paying customer the priviledge of playing the game they pay for because they play the game as intended? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Duncan Barr	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:57:00 - [207] Quote: There is no such thing as 100% secure, its cheat, really I mean sure 1.0 space should heave big frigging police ships, but not cheats like instalock and stuff. They should have to work for it too. What would be cool would be the chance to apply and actually have human chars as police- not sure how it could be implemented, but the possiblities are fun. Good cops gone bad in 1.0 space............
Luc Boye	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:57:00 - [208] Ok, so lets assume that all this people are right, "you chose path ... blah blah" Now let devs implement concord-strength guristas to take revenge for all those farmed NPC's, so next time you jump into 0.0 you get insta locked and nullified no matter what frigging ship you have. That would be equal. But you may think that would suck? Well surprise. -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:58:00 - [209] oh please gimme a break. Only thing im saying is destroying ships day in and day out for concord is a bad thing, or so it seems from your posts. So why not do it this way, put some roleplaying into the game. dosn't have to be bail either, maybe just lock their ship there for 30 mins while they have to use a rental (ibis :P) just and idea don't flame me for bringing out ideas -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Duncan Barr	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:59:00 - [210] Quote: Quote: I wish they implented imprisonment If some guy tried to enter 1.0 space the police (concord) would web him, warp scramble him, and target disrupt him for all their worth. Then instead of killing the battleship I.E they would tow it to a station where some1 had to pay bail or something to get him out hehe So you'd deny a paying customer the priviledge of playing the game they pay for because they play the game as intended? Surely paying bail is better than losing a multimillion ISK ship in seconds?



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