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Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.15 04:06:00 - [1] Edited by: Tank CEO on 15/08/2003 04:07:37 Anyone else lose their battleship, cruiser to uber concord? I just lost mine, I traveled to Amarr because I needed ammo, I got their safely but on the way back i jumped to to Yulia, 1 millisecond after i got outa "Entering Space" I was being attacked by concord, isnt their a 5 second invulnerabilty time that you get cause i sure as hell didnt get it. Welp looks like ccp is going to be replacing me ship AGAIN. I mean the cops got on to me faster then auto-pilot could warp me, thats just heh, way to go ccp! ---
Ruulex DeMors	Posted - 2003.08.15 04:33:00 - [2] Hmmm, Concord shouldn't have been able to target you in the 10sec or whatever invulnerability. But you buy ammo? Maybe it's time to become a little more self-sufficient. Not being rude, just a suggestion. Even the large ammo only takes a little bit of ore. ------------------------------------- Interm-CEO for EVE Marshals http://www.EVEMarshals.com
Xelios	Posted - 2003.08.15 04:34:00 - [3] It's that kind of thinking that's causing the market to crash ;(
Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.15 04:37:00 - [4] Edited by: Dragon Emperor on 15/08/2003 04:37:35 I don't think a -10 should ever be able to enter concord HQ.. if he can do it, then the security system is wrong and need change.
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 04:48:00 - [5] Well can you expect anything when you camp in a 1.0 system killing people? a guy with -9 or less should not enter something bigger than 0.8... Just like a wanted criminal has a tendancy to be aprehended quite fast if he enters a police monitored area -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Ruulex DeMors	Posted - 2003.08.15 04:51:00 - [6] Quote: It's that kind of thinking that's causing the market to crash ;( Hahha, I blame the market crash on the abondance of higher lvl BP copies. I bought all my Ammo BP's off the market and a few traders Besides do you know how expensive it would be to buy Cruise Missiles for my members that use them? ------------------------------------- Interm-CEO for EVE Marshals http://www.EVEMarshals.com
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.15 05:13:00 - [7] Yup right after I got outa the "Entering Space" window, Concord was already locked on and firing me. I had autopilot on and autopilot couldnt beat it. ---
Leyla	Posted - 2003.08.15 05:34:00 - [8] Don't think you are getting your ship back, we just got a reply from a GM (fate). They won't replace the ship our member lost today, almost the same scenario as you. Corp mate just cancelled also... oh well.
nails	Posted - 2003.08.15 05:38:00 - [9] lol I was just there too. was quite funny. Concord seems to be on a zero tolerance again. Standings are being enforced. if not four expired negative security action, for race standing. ------------------ http://ota-corps.otaku.jp -- Anime l33t level
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 05:53:00 - [10] well stick to your 0.0 space then, and let the newbies in the 1.0 systems alone "i was just going there to get some ammo" caugh did you mean "I was just going there to grief on some newbies mining peacfully in the Amarr homeworld"? A common spelling error that is... When you have managed to get -10 you should be obliterated on sight in a totally secure system 1.0=100% yes? Learn to live with it, be a pirate, live lawless -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.

Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.15 06:01:00 - [11] You know its cool that CONCORD is that power full but having no invulnerability after getting outa the last system is just bull crap. People have to go threw 1.0 system. They should be made so that you can travel threw there but not stay there. ---
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 06:04:00 - [12] your a pirate :) chose "prefer less secure route" in autopilot -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Deadzone	Posted - 2003.08.15 06:37:00 - [13] Tank, I can;t believe you are sitting here whinning about losing your ship, when you are one of the biggest PK'ers in the game....entering SECURE space on top of it. Jesus, get a clue! Vice-Admiral Executive Commanding Officer Military Command Hadead Drive Yards
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.15 06:38:00 - [14] Has the Yulai/Pator problem been fixed then? CONCORD have always had amazingly fast targetting times and it sounds like neg sec players are finally being kept out of 1.0 systems? As for getting your ship back....mmmmmm....bad karma? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.08.15 06:40:00 - [15] people please... The problem here is either that Concord can somehow lock you despite your invulnerability, or that the invulnerability is gone. Anti-pirates had better pray that it's the former... .
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.15 06:41:00 - [16] Edited by: Jim Raynor on 15/08/2003 06:42:27 Pirates should be able to move through empire space.. just not able to hang around for long. If you want to police Eve let the players do it, not SUPER NPC BATTLESHIPS AND SENTRY GUNS. It's retarded currently, sorry. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 06:42:00 - [17] Edited by: Photon on 15/08/2003 06:44:14 hehe im sure you have podkilled like 40 players that also want their ships back, and only because of an exploit, but are they going to? no... You are asking for it when you enter 1.0 space... With all your "effforts" to make newbies quit this game in horror you can at least lay off the 1.0 systems for now and take some de-tours Sorry pirates but police (concord) has to be fast and painfull when you enter a system that is supposedly 100 percent secure... -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Viceroy	Posted - 2003.08.15 06:45:00 - [18] Yeah, concord/sentries are overkill atm, neg sec people cant travel through empire space at all. You get no reaction time, just die while the screen loads. -
Tir Madokin	Posted - 2003.08.15 06:47:00 - [19] I think the cops got tired of people saying they were weak.
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 06:49:00 - [20] Edited by: Photon on 15/08/2003 06:51:14 well as far as i see it it goes like this. 1.0 means 100% like a wanted pirate like Mr. Tank here should be kept out no matter what. And 100% means just that, no room for error or passing trough. Then we move on to 0.9, a bit more relaxed "you might get trough the stargate if you're fast" kind of thing. 0.8 still secure you will most probably get to the stargate if you drive straight at it and the police will halt a bit, maybe their eating doughnuts or something. 0.7 Police force present, will attack if you camp the gate, but you can just fine pass trough, any offence to other players tough will be delt with very painfully. 0.6 now we're nearing a sheriff stadium, camping will not be allowed, neither will killing players. well i don't wanna write anymore, but I think pirates should stick to their less secure systems, noobs don't want yellow threat bars :) -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.

nails	Posted - 2003.08.15 06:55:00 - [21] don't worry, tank will take a big crew to the outskirts of empire space tomorrow and farm CONCORD to make him feel better. ------------------ http://ota-corps.otaku.jp -- Anime l33t level
Ruulex DeMors	Posted - 2003.08.15 06:56:00 - [22] Hmmm, didn't hey just tone down the Sentry Gun Damage last patch? I wish they would find a happy median. As too the ppl saying glad that Tank lost his BS to Concord, just imagine if it happens to you from a glitch. NPC's should have the same rules we do. I can't target NPC's or PC's 10 seconds after I exit warp or they exit warp, neither should they. ------------------------------------- Interm-CEO for EVE Marshals http://www.EVEMarshals.com
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 06:57:00 - [23] Quote: Hmmm, didn't hey just tone down the Sentry Gun Damage last patch? I wish they would find a happy median. As too the ppl saying glad that Tank lost his BS to Concord, just imagine if it happens to you from a glitch. NPC's should have the same rules we do. I can't target NPC's or PC's 10 seconds after I exit warp or they exit warp, neither should they. well your kind of asking for it when you are podkilling newstarters hehe -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Karif	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:02:00 - [24] NPCs have always ignored the invulnerability flag... =============================== Deception + Information + Skill
Spokes	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:02:00 - [25] I hate to say it but Tank is right. Same rules should apply here, but at the same time, 1.0 should be 100% secure. If a guy like Tank warps to the gate, before he can turn around he should be scrambled, jammed, and killed, just like he likes to do =] And besdies, maybe the cops saw you go in and radioed ahead for ya, so they were waiting, just like in real life. ---------------------- There is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid people.
Ruulex DeMors	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:08:00 - [26] Quote: well your kind of asking for it when you are podkilling newstarters hehe Plz don't associate myself or my Corp with Pirates. Tank has a point. As a player I see the point. I don't agree with Molly, Tank and whoever else killing noobs in 1.0 space just because the code let them, I actually went into those areas looking to kill them a time or two, but always missed them by 20 minutes or so. If you want to see what the Marshals are about look at our website then our forums... ------------------------------------- Interm-CEO for EVE Marshals http://www.EVEMarshals.com
Zorgan	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:11:00 - [27] all pirates stay the hell out of high sec. space... those days are over. Sigs suck
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:12:00 - [28] Concord ships and Sentry guns doing FOUR HUNDRED is overkill. I pity a pirate in a cruiser or lesser ship. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Ruulex DeMors	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:16:00 - [29] Quote: Concord ships and Sentry guns doing FOUR HUNDRED is overkill. I pity a pirate in a cruiser or lesser ship. I pity anyone in a ship below a BS...I have Moa almost ripped to shreds by berserk Sentry Guns before. Then they toned down the damage. Now the guns are prone to be berserk again and do 400+ Damage per shot... ------------------------------------- Interm-CEO for EVE Marshals http://www.EVEMarshals.com
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:18:00 - [30] Deathtraps for players in games = Bad It has always been bad to have deathtraps. It has NEVER been a good idea to implement deathtraps. And any furbearer getting jollies off the current situation will howl bloody murder when that deathtrap catches them for a mistake. Reports are already trickling in of instant death due to smartbomb usage and the normal Concord mistaken identities. Deathtrap = Sledgehammer Response to Problem Me, I'm more of a stilleto fan. Wanna convince pirates that staying in Empire space is a bad idea while giving them time to realize that mistake? Equip Concord with Energy Neutralizers. Prior to this patch, Concord would eventually whittle down even a battleship pirate. It just took forever because of shield boosters/hardeners. So 'help' the process along a bit. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante

Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:20:00 - [31] Edited by: Photon on 15/08/2003 07:22:15 Quote: Quote: well your kind of asking for it when you are podkilling newstarters hehe Plz don't associate myself or my Corp with Pirates. Tank has a point. As a player I see the point. I don't agree with Molly, Tank and whoever else killing noobs in 1.0 space just because the code let them, I actually went into those areas looking to kill them a time or two, but always missed them by 20 minutes or so. If you want to see what the Marshals are about look at our website then our forums... i was talking about him, not your corp edit: i know all about your corp, what it stands for, it meanings. And im on your side :) i do the same things, I even sent you an evemail an hour ago to chat a bit ingame. So don't think im looking down on you now -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:24:00 - [32] Anyone remember Ultima Online? Remember how guards would instantly spawn on murderers in towns and kill them? That's sorta of like what Concord and Sentry Guns are now. UO was one of the first MMO games on the market and made a lot of mistakes.. the instant spawn one shot one kill guards were one of them. Let's not make the same mistake, CCP. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:24:00 - [33] well im sure you can have a compromise, but the bottom line is pirates with low sec rating wanted posters and such should not be allowed to enter 1.0 space without fighting their way in in some rediculous manner. One idea would be that the pirate first would be webbed and got a 1 minuite delay before they would fire on him, so he could warp out to safety -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:33:00 - [34] I agree pirates should be able to fly through empire space, but well...yulai is concord HQ, I really don't agree pirates can even go in there......
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:34:00 - [35] Edited by: Photon on 15/08/2003 07:37:01 Quote: I agree pirates should be able to fly through empire space, but well...yulai is concord HQ, I really don't agree pirates can even go in there...... yea of course they should be able to fly trough some of empire space, but i just think that 1.0 is sealed off for criminals.. and that's that edit: same goes for 0.9 generally. 0.6 and bellow is what should be considered "generally safe for passing trough" -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Thaddius Engle	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:43:00 - [36] Quote: Anyone remember Ultima Online? Remember how guards would instantly spawn on murderers in towns and kill them?. Guards!
Slithereen	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:44:00 - [37] I don't agree with grievers at 1.0 space, but I don't agree with the Concord-Terminator approach either. Yesterday I had to witness a gangmember's Omen get "terminated" by two Concord Battleships and a swarm of Concord fighters in front of my eyes. I felt totally helpless as he struggled hopelessly against the webififiers and I watch his ship go down. All the guy did was to foolishly shoot a secure container. This is not the first time the Concord terminated one of our corporation or allied ships. One guy lost his Exeqeror by mistakenly shooting his own drones, while another lost his Omen splashing the drones of a newbie he was trying to help, as the newbie was under attack by NPC pirates. I think the Concord has killed more innocents as much or more than the pirates and grievers combined. People killed this way are much more prone to cancel their subscriptions. A pirate is understood to be a killer in the first place, but getting it from the police while you're innocent, that does not make any sense and it just totally sucks. While there is a chance you can still get away from a pirate, with the Concord, it's a mere execution. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
PropanElgen	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:47:00 - [38] Quote: Yeah, concord/sentries are overkill atm, neg sec people cant travel through empire space at all. You get no reaction time, just die while the screen loads. Ahhh just what you griefers have been doing to other players since the start then? First with cans, now with drones? All the angels and the puny men of god looked away... Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:51:00 - [39] Quote: Ahhh just what you griefers have been doing to other players since the start then? First with cans, now with drones? We don't use drones to lag people, we use them for combat. Why would we train Drone5 and use Heavy Drones if they weren't for combat? I mean, if I just wanted to lag people, I would deploy basic miners.. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 07:52:00 - [40] Edited by: Photon on 15/08/2003 07:53:38 well i think a pirate dumb enough to try to enter a 1.0 space should feel the consequenses. You pirates argue in other posts that when you enter 0.0 space you are not safe and should not be secure by police at all. When then listen to our side of the story, when you enter 1.0 space you enter a totally secure system, guarded with claws and teeth and a wanted pirate getting in is just not gonna happen -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.

Crownan	Posted - 2003.08.15 08:54:00 - [41] There has never been an "Invulnerability Timer" on jumping into a system. Only when warping, undocking or logging in.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:16:00 - [42] Quote: Edited by: Photon on 15/08/2003 07:53:38 well i think a pirate dumb enough to try to enter a 1.0 space should feel the consequenses. You pirates argue in other posts that when you enter 0.0 space you are not safe and should not be secure by police at all. When then listen to our side of the story, when you enter 1.0 space you enter a totally secure system, guarded with claws and teeth and a wanted pirate getting in is just not gonna happen Player pirates don't automatically swoop on you before you even have time to finish the loading screen in 0.0 space, hit you for 400dmg, warpscramble, and webify you.. atleast give pirates a way to move through empire space if they keep moving and don't stop. Passing through empire space is one thing, killing newbies in 1.0 empire space is another.. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Saladin	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:16:00 - [43] Is anyone else concerned that nails always seems to be there when stuff happens? --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003.
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:21:00 - [44] Edited by: Photon on 15/08/2003 09:22:00 well 1.0 is safe zone as in no pirates edit: you can't compare police to pirates. you are the*****roaches, police are the organized anti crime that just sits patiantely and wait for things to happen -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:23:00 - [45] Edited by: Jim Raynor on 15/08/2003 09:25:18 Quote: well 1.0 is safe zone as in no pirates Cool, so make it so that you can go around 1.0 and without having to go 99 jumps out of the way. Sorry but I don't have enough time a day in Eve to go 99 jumps for any reason.. Look man, you obviously want Concord to fight your battles for you. Maybe if you people got off your duffs you could combat piracy. Blockade running is so very easy that it's actually becoming pretty lame to be a pirate nowadays. I'm not for podding people in 1.0, I think it's extremely lame (unless it's some stupid AFK industrial) to kill rookie ships or anyone really new to Eve. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:26:00 - [46] to put it this way, if i entered a back alley of a city i wouldn't know if something bad was gonna happen. If a wanted criminal went into a police station things would happen quite fast. i can agree that there should be some decent de-tours tough -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Mitch Taylor	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:27:00 - [47] I totally agree woth photon here, 1.0 has ALWAYS ment to be off limites to pirates, even ones in battleships. Every new post by Tank makes laugh at him even more
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:28:00 - [48] Quote: to put it this way, if i entered a back alley of a city i wouldn't know if something bad was gonna happen. If a wanted criminal went into a police station things would happen quite fast. i can agree that there should be some decent de-tours tough Then CCP needs to give us realistic ways to go region to region without having to pass through your sacred empire space. 90-100 jumps to go anywhere isn't realistic, that's like 4-5 hours of travelling. I don't have ten hours to go back and forth to different regions.. do you? This is a game afterall. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:30:00 - [49] yes I understand your concern, and I hope ccp makes a compromise out of it -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Rock Dollar	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:30:00 - [50] Quote: atleast give pirates a way to move through empire space if they keep moving and don't stop. Passing through empire space is one thing, killing newbies in 1.0 empire space is another.. Thats like saying "Don't hassle that murderous fugitive if he's just running away". If you enter a high security system you SHOULD be pounced on immediately. Your victims get the same quarter when 'passing through' your 0.0 systems. Like has been mentioned already, maybe its time to dust down the map and 'prefer less secure'. Get your goods from the low sec system markets.

Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:37:00 - [51] Quote: Thats like saying "Don't hassle that murderous fugitive if he's just running away". If you enter a high security system you SHOULD be pounced on immediately. Your victims get the same quarter when 'passing through' your 0.0 systems. Instagank is stupid and lame, sorry if don't realize this. Quote: Like has been mentioned already, maybe its time to dust down the map and 'prefer less secure'. Get your goods from the low sec system markets. There's only 24 hours in a day, I can't spend ten of them playing Eve. I have a job, I can't devote that kind of time to move my ship from point A to B. Now of course you can get around the empire space issue using alts and courier missions but still, it would be nice of "less secure" routes were more realistic logistically. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Ruulex DeMors	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:41:00 - [52] Quote: There has never been an "Invulnerability Timer" on jumping into a system. Only when warping, undocking or logging in. Has anyone tested this out? IMO anytime you PC has to load into a sector there should be a Invulerability. Especially since they were supposed to make jump entry points static with this patch. ------------------------------------- Interm-CEO for EVE Marshals http://www.EVEMarshals.com
Tharrn	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:41:00 - [53] Edited by: Tharrn on 15/08/2003 09:42:02 About that argument that players should police the game: That has never, doesn't and will never work in any MMOG. Why? There are severall reasons... * Defenders can't be online 24/7. As soon as they are gone the lowlifes (game-wise) creep back into the 'secure' zones * There are never as many defenders as 'pirates'. The reason may be that defending a stretch of territory is mostly boring as nothing happens. You are limited in your actions by the active 'pirates' and are doomed to react rather than act. * In EVE it is virtually impossible to force 'pirates' into a battle they don't want. You bring a bigger fleet, they relocate. When you have found them again, they relocate. Damned to react and run arround the place like a fool. It is thus unproportionally more difficult to hunt specific pirates (who usually know what they do) than ripping random Industrials, frigates and single cruisers. Guess why there's so many wannabe 'pirates' (PKs) and almost no 'good guys'. You reap what you sow. CCP has always stated that security ratings will affect where you can go and dock. Being the bad guy should have consequences. Living on the edge and stuff, you know... 1.0 isn't exactly where you should go. Too bad, so sorry... People were told to avoid the bottleneck m0o camped a few weeks back (30 jumps detour) so it appears it's your turn to take the long, boring ride now :P Instagank is lame... yup, now you know how it feels.
Aileea	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:43:00 - [54] Quote: Then CCP needs to give us realistic ways to go region to region without having to pass through your sacred empire space. 90-100 jumps to go anywhere isn't realistic, that's like 4-5 hours of travelling. I don't have ten hours to go back and forth to different regions.. do you? This is a game afterall. oooo, how is this different from the Mara/Passari blockades? They caused a huge, time-consuming and dangerous detour through 0.0 space. Heed your own advice, my poor little piratesies: "Just go around it scht00pid carebears!!!"
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:44:00 - [55] that's a very good point right there. Compare the 1.0 systems of the good guys to the bottleneck systems of you blockades and you got your detour.. -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:47:00 - [56] i cant wait to see m0o use 10 0r 20 giant conteiners to block people from jumping :) a REAL blockend... haha they will hit on the THORAX size conteiner and will die in 3 sec :P ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:48:00 - [57] Running blockades isn't hard for the not so clueless. I'm sorry you fall into the clueless category and don't know how. You always have a good shot at beating a blockade. You have basically zero chance at going through empire space now as a pirate. It's only a minor inconvience as you can use alternate characters to courier your items.. but still, the concord super sentry guns and ships are just lame. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:50:00 - [58] so you mean i have a chanse of getting trough a 20 battleship bloackade with the nerfed mwd? u get a clue then... -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:54:00 - [59] i use bookmark and jump in 1 sec :) and i see pirates to get ***ed off :) ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5)* ---------------------------------------
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:54:00 - [60] Quote: so you mean i have a chanse of getting trough a 20 battleship bloackade with the nerfed mwd? u get a clue then... Yes you can, get a clue. I ran through blockade of 4 battleships and 2 cruisers once without using a MWD. Though unless you have a Scorpion that probably wouldn't work. =] ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE

Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:55:00 - [61] hehe no it wouldn't :) try getting a bestower trough that blockade :) -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:56:00 - [62] Quote: i use bookmark and jump in 1 sec :) and i see pirates to get **ed off :) Not really **ed off, I'm quite used to people basically bypassing every blockade now. It's way more common for people to bookmark past you than it is to actually kill someone these days. CCP has ruined pirating, no wonder people are going to 1.0 to kill AFKers. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Ruulex DeMors	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:58:00 - [63] Edited by: Ruulex DeMors on 15/08/2003 09:59:55 Now Jim, I don't see running blockades near as easy now with the MWD's working as they do now. Unless what...1 AB and 2 MWD's hopefully get you through? I don't run camped gates, I bust the little blockade. So you'll have to clue me in, since I have so little experience at running through blockades. Edit: 4 posts while I write one...lively thread . Forgot about the bookmarks, but most travelers that don't trade (like myself) don't have a bookmark to every gate in EVE. Though it would be smart to. ------------------------------------- Interm-CEO for EVE Marshals http://www.EVEMarshals.com
agrizla	Posted - 2003.08.15 09:59:00 - [64] Quote: Quote: There has never been an "Invulnerability Timer" on jumping into a system. Only when warping, undocking or logging in. Has anyone tested this out? IMO anytime you PC has to load into a sector there should be a Invulerability. Especially since they were supposed to make jump entry points static with this patch. I can confirm that there isn't an invulnerability timer on jumps. There certainly wasn't one before this patch either. I got hit instantly by a PC pirate at the end of a sequence of jumps last week (just bad luck he was there and that it was the last jump - so autopilot turned off). I think the reason for this is that your ship isn't supposed to appear in the new system until you've actually loaded the system data (or whatever). In the main I think this actually works, but there's always instances where things go amiss
XeQtR	Posted - 2003.08.15 10:21:00 - [65] Running blockades seemed risky even before the patch even with an mwd. :) A week back I knew the gate was blocked and since I had a bestower I only had one mwd. SO just before exiting warp I activated it only to be thrown back a LONGT way by lag. I didn't get my cap back though so when I finally exited warp for good my cap was gone and I was 31 km from the gate doing 150m/s Luckilly the guys blocking the gate were looking for someone and not pirating.
StealthNet	Posted - 2003.08.15 10:24:00 - [66] I can't believe what Im reading. You can't face dominixes and that special concord battleship ? Are they using better equipment instead of 1 crappy laser or rail ? Now you know exactly how a gate runner feels when he warps in, and there are 2 scorpions and countless dmg battleships waiting for you at a gate, and you don't have any means of escaping. btw, are you -5.0 - ? Then you shouldn't fly in sec space. _______________________________________________
Beringe	Posted - 2003.08.15 10:27:00 - [67] Quote: Not really ***ed off, I'm quite used to people basically bypassing every blockade now. IMO, that's because you're always blockading the same system. If you guys moved around a bit, some hapless traders would get a really* nasty awakening. Everyone and his mother has a bookmark for FD-MLJ and PF-346 by now. Those who don't should rightfully avoid the place if they see pilots hanging around on the map screen. And the rest are idiots. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Meau	Posted - 2003.08.15 10:53:00 - [68] Edited by: Meau on 15/08/2003 10:53:30 Someone mentioned Ultima Online and the insta-spawn insta-kill guards. They were in NO way a failure, like he claimed. They were meant that way and good that way, and mind you, i not only benefited from them ;). In Old pre carebear-land UO, as a PK, you knew you werent allowed to enter ANY town. Period. There was no whining back then, it just was a fact, and you lived with it. It created a clear distinction between "law-abiding" chars and so called murderers, one that should be in place to make it interesting. Comeone, Tank wanted to grab some ammo? Really? You really make me laugh. You can always pay someone to grab some. And if youre such a sociopath that you have noone you could ask at all, manufacture it. If you wanted to do something else there, which is closer to the truth, i guess (Tank CEO¦s bs being shot by concord while doing some pathethic task, nice fitting headline), then tell us. Highways are imho a bad concept implemented for the carebears. Not allowing pirates on them is just logical. Maybe they shouldnt be there, but letting -10 players fly through yulai is just ridiculous. Any player with negative sec can do things that law-abiding players cant. Why in hell should he then be allowed to do all that the law-abiding ones are allowed to, also? Most? of course. But not all. (Slips into her flameproof suit)
GALAGA	Posted - 2003.08.15 10:57:00 - [69] Lol Tanky, as I was exiting the station, you were just docking, said hello to you, then told you I was jumping. Guess you shouldn't have followed me to Yulai. Last night as I was there,Molly self destructed near the Amarr gate, so I guess that Concord wanted to make sure that you didn't do the same thing, seeing how they had just finished scraping parts of her off of the gate and gotten it back in shape. Much less messy to destroy you next to a planet. Every pirate should just check local when they travel and make sure that Nails and Galaga aren't there, as we are good friends with Concord and they come down extra heavy when we are around. :P Take an alternate route so you will be safer hehe. ----------------------------------------------- "The Light shineth in the darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not."
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.15 11:04:00 - [70] Quote: Quote: Not really ***ed off, I'm quite used to people basically bypassing every blockade now. IMO, that's because you're always blockading the same system. If you guys moved around a bit, some hapless traders would get a really* nasty awakening. Everyone and his mother has a bookmark for FD-MLJ and PF-346 by now. Those who don't should rightfully avoid the place if they see pilots hanging around on the map screen. And the rest are idiots. I'm aware. Unforuntaly hanging out in a system where no one is gonna pass for hours vs a system where 90% of the people have a bookmark but you can still nail 10% of them is a trade off. Most systems get no traffic, at all. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE

Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 11:09:00 - [71] just check your map for recent jumps and go there :) -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.15 11:12:00 - [72] Quote: just check your map for recent jumps and go there :) I'm aware how to use the map thanks. Choke points are where it's at though. If you go elsewhere you are pretty much wasting your time. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Kimi	Posted - 2003.08.15 11:25:00 - [73] I find it really hard to get up much sympathy. Tank Exploited that -10 bug for days, now that the tables are turned he has become the classic whiner. Tank, now you know how all those newbies in Yulai felt when you nuked them. I like it.
OverKill	Posted - 2003.08.15 11:42:00 - [74] I tend to agree with Kimi here. Pirates went around doing what they felt like doing and claimed (rightly so) that it was part of the game. Now there are NEW things which are part of the game, CONCORD having fast tracking and powerful weapons being part of it. To be honest, I don't know if I believe TANK's claim about "They locked me right away". He is afterall a pirate and do they not lie, cheat, kill and steal as part of their everyday life? Anyways, all that aside, lets consider another option... The backstory in EVE has been altered slightly: CONCORD is now WATCHING for pirates and blockading Empire space. That would explain why you can no longer travel safely there. Either that or perhaps someone at CCP finally decided to give in to the dark side and that CONCORD ship was actually a dev cackling with laugher as he swatted you aside. Regards, Michael "OverKill" Carter Chief Executive Officer Hadean Drive Yards [email protected] - http://www.hadean.org Chief Executive Officer - Hadean Drive Yards
Jun'ko Zane	Posted - 2003.08.15 11:46:00 - [75] Quote: Anyone else lose their battleship, cruiser to uber concord? I just lost mine, I traveled to Amarr because I needed ammo, I got their safely but on the way back i jumped to to Yulia, 1 millisecond after i got outa "Entering Space" I was being attacked by concord, isnt their a 5 second invulnerabilty time that you get cause i sure as hell didnt get it. Welp looks like ccp is going to be replacing me ship AGAIN. I mean the cops got on to me faster then auto-pilot could warp me, thats just heh, way to go ccp! we love concord
Seer	Posted - 2003.08.15 11:46:00 - [76] LMAO - Just listen to all the bleeding hearts .......... 0% Sympathy - you chose a life of crime you stay outta 1.0 You chose a life of crime - you need a criminal supplier for goods - such as ammo (should be fun to watch the honour amongst thieves) NPC Pirates in belts lock on immediately sometimes and you just got hit by the flying squad as you appeared next to them. And from an RP point of view - dont ya think the cops in the next system would have told their buddies you were about to arrive in theirs? There aint no defence - stay away from 1.0 like newbies have to saty away from 0.0 Stop *****1n!!! ---------------------------------------------------
VeRbLe	Posted - 2003.08.15 11:53:00 - [77] i think we should be able to travel through but not stay.. I know that Katchin from sinister has lost 2 scorpions to concord so far :\ 1 from a CTD and 1 from his screen not loading fast enough.
wordy	Posted - 2003.08.15 12:02:00 - [78] Tank CEO you were moaning that you didn't stand a chance when attacked by Concord. I bet a new player in an imperaitor who was gunned down by you in 1.0 sec space didn't stand a chance either. When they complain they get laughed at. You were moaning that Concord were using an glitch in the code so you got killed almost instantly, yet you yourself have taken advantage of the -10 sec level glitch, to randomly murder new players for over a week. If CCP won't refund players ships in 1.0 sec space, even tho they are aware of the glitch. Why should they refund yours because of another glitch? The pirates and random murders who are moaning that is hard to enter empire space have only them selves to blame. By Blaming the game these people are trying to avoid taking the consquences for their actions. I bet a player who didn't know anything about blockades wasn't let off when bumbling into a pirate blockade. So why should known murders be let though high sec empire space. If lawful players have to find another route around a pirate/random murder blockade, why should pirates and random murders be allowed through the Concord blockade in Empire space? If it takes pirates/random murders ages to get anywhere to buy supplies then unlucky. Find away to overcome this justified handicap, Just like lawful players had to find away to get around pirates/random murders "Hey, I am cool. My mum said so!" - Milhouse Van Houten
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.08.15 12:07:00 - [79] Edited by: j0sephine on 15/08/2003 12:08:52 "Tank CEO you were moaning that you didn't stand a chance when attacked by Concord. I bet a new player in an imperaitor who was gunned down by you in 1.0 sec space didn't stand a chance either. When they complain they get laughed at." ... This is a somewhat fair point, but do we really want the Concord to act just like Tank CEO now?.. Keep in mind it's a dumb AI, i.e. it won't limit such behavior to just the pirates... the 'new player in an imperaitor' will get torn apart just as swiftly if Mr.Concord Sergeant decided they crossed the road in wrong spot. edit: to clarify, i don't mind the Concord beefed up, overall this is a good change. Would like them to use some actual setups with the usual limitations rather than cheats, though...
BrazHos	Posted - 2003.08.15 12:09:00 - [80] Edited by: BrazHos on 15/08/2003 12:12:20 Haha.. a pirate whining.. gotta love it! Im a new player, but after reading a few posts by 'Tank' and a few others, I just have to say Grats CCP! Pirates should not be allowed to enter Empire Space at all without being pounced on immediately by OPP! (Overwhelming Police Power) If thats how it is now, I applaud it. As I understand many places to 0.0 space are camped by pirates/rouges waiting for people to popin so they can extort their living (which is fine, its part of game} they chose to RP that type.. so learn to live with it or not. Ive read enough and have seen enough of his kind to know its really just karma unfolding. "What comes around.." :) ********************************************** Coming Soon to a Sector near You** May be hazardous to your ship so Be Warned!

Valeria	Posted - 2003.08.15 12:19:00 - [81] Me and a friend (in a Merlin, no less) jumped through New Caldari, me having a slight headstart. When I entered New Caldari I got the warning, and as I warped to the gate I saw CONCORD's warp trails behind me... then my friend entered New Caldari aswell, and now the cops were waiting for him. It hadn't even finished loading before he was dead. I heard rumours that CONCORD was doing 400 damage a hit, any truth to that? Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes some nublar, wrecking for 1155.0 damage.
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.08.15 12:23:00 - [82] I hate RATS, however concord should give a warning. On the other hand, if a terrorist landed on a US beach fully armed and there happened to be SEALs there I am sure they would shoot first. (since detainment in this game is not an option) ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
wordy	Posted - 2003.08.15 12:27:00 - [83] Quote: ... This is a somewhat fair point, but do we really want the Concord to act just like Tank CEO now?.. No that would be a bad thing, but the point I was trying to make with my first statement is.... he doesn't care about the ppl he ganks, so why should we care when he gets ganked? "Hey, I am cool. My mum said so!" - Milhouse Van Houten
Rock Dollar	Posted - 2003.08.15 12:29:00 - [84] PF-346 and FD-MLJ are surely not the only viable chokepoints in the game. Most people realise now not to go through those systems if they are moving any items of value. Live a little (or die a lot) - why don't you go and bug the Stain region for a bit instead.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.08.15 12:32:00 - [85] Edited by: drunkenmaster on 15/08/2003 12:38:23 I'm making a list, I'm checking it twice... I'm gonna find out, who's whiny or nice... whiny people take the pod sub-express home. nice people will be mercifully transported back to their clone station instantly(which should have a half decent ship at it)* A lot of people are making overly broad generalisations. Not all pirates operate like Tank. In fact most don't. I'm glad the MWD fix happened, because this will be a very poddy weekend, I feel. * this rule will exclude minmatars. I have been offered good money for their biomass. .
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.08.15 12:37:00 - [86] Edited by: drunkenmaster on 15/08/2003 12:37:08 Also, you'll **never** keep me out of empire space. Never. I have too many quality connections. Buahahahahhahaaaa .
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.08.15 12:40:00 - [87] Quote: * this rule will exclude minmatars. I have been offered good money for their biomass. You shame your race. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Laer	Posted - 2003.08.15 12:43:00 - [88] The new CONCORD is way too powerful. I mean come on, you guys can sit there and complain about pirates killing you during loading times, but you don't see pirates camping the entry points to systems where you are completely vulnerable. It's not like they can't either cause Jim's done it to me before, but I damn well deserved it and still got away. So you should feel privilaged they allow you to think and prepare and run the blockade. CONCORD on the other hand didn't deal with invulnerability and gave them no chance whatsoever to react. That's complete crap. If a fellon walks into a police station he would still have a chance to run back out.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 12:54:00 - [89] Quote: we love concord Nice sig. Really accents the look of complete terror and utter cowardice. You love Concord, eh? On 2 separate occasions I've lost 2 Cruisers to Concord. Both over bugs. The last one for responding to an attack after* the other person fired on me first. Already seen posts from people that were instaganked over smartbomb or missile. But I'm sure you don't care so long as you can feel completely safe in you fat trash hauler or roid eater. Nah, the people that have accidents or fall prey to just plain ole bugs are acceptable losses to people like you. Cause you don't give a damn about anyone but yourself. I can't wait till either you have a meeting with Concord (unlikely as I'm willling to bet you'd need to retake the tutorial to figure out how to use a gun) or I have a meeting with Concord again. Cause when that happens, I'm going to make it a goal in my Eve life to get my ship's cost back through pure the pure satisfaction of vengance on Concord lovers like you. At the cost of a breacher, 3 malkuth assaults, 3 cruise missiles and a little vig to my agents for each one it's a fair deal. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
csebal	Posted - 2003.08.15 12:57:00 - [90] Edited by: csebal on 15/08/2003 12:58:12 Well, if someone remembers the name Elite, it was the groundbreaking space sim, that started it all ;) one day, looking for jobs on the bulletin board, i saw a rather tempting offer of 20.000 credits for killing some Mr. Jameson (note, that in Elite, you were always called Jameson, no way to change that) When i contacted them, the following message came: "Thank you, Mr Jameson for saving us the time and trouble of finding you. - Game Over" Don't pirates feel rather stupid when going to the hq system of the intergalactic police force? I would do for sure. ------------- This post is nothing more than my personal opinion. It does not represent the official standpoint of Fountain Alliance, or the HUN Corporation in any way. -------------

cball	Posted - 2003.08.15 13:01:00 - [91] what a laugh, pirate/griefer that whines about the game mechanics not being in his favor.... Play the game and stop being a carebear... ...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
Hardin	Posted - 2003.08.15 13:09:00 - [92] Quote: The new CONCORD is way too powerful. I mean come on, you guys can sit there and complain about pirates killing you during loading times, but you don't see pirates camping the entry points to systems where you are completely vulnerable. It's not like they can't either cause Jim's done it to me before, but I damn well deserved it and still got away. So you should feel privilaged they allow you to think and prepare and run the blockade. CONCORD on the other hand didn't deal with invulnerability and gave them no chance whatsoever to react. That's complete crap. If a fellon walks into a police station he would still have a chance to run back out. Firstly what fellon would walk into a police station in the first place? - I think you have obviously been watching too many episodes of 'America's Dumbest Criminals'... Anyway in this case pirates aint just wanting to walk into the police station - they in fact want to walk through it on their way to somewhere else - or possibly stop off at the fron desk to buy a set of handcuffs... As others have already pointed out Tank has made a complete whining fool of himself here. The fact is that pirates force normal players to make complete detours around their blockades and now pirates will have to do the same aroun 1.0 sectors. Only a couple of weeks ago I was involved in a corp mining operation in 0.0 space (13 jumps away from a station). This had to be completely reorganised after Shollos and some cronies turned up right in the middle of the route back to the station and started podding people. We organised a new route to an alternative staion 4 jumps longer and the people on the wrong side of the blockade had to make a 34 jump trip to get back to the mining area...but we continued our mission... Pirates will just have to show the same sort of flexibility... After podding newbies in 1.0 space people like Tank certainly get no sympathy from me! In he same way people laugh if a newbie goes to 0.0 space and then whines if he gets podded we should laugh at pirates who go to 1.0 and lose their ships.
Jim Hawkins	Posted - 2003.08.15 13:23:00 - [93] Edited by: Jim Hawkins on 15/08/2003 16:05:11 Oh I dunno. Tanks experience reminds me of a moment in history when the reknowned pirate Blackbeard sailed his ship up the Thames, skull and crossbones flying high and proud, through a flotilla of Royal Navy 'Men O War' in order to dock at Greenwich to buy cannon balls. Was he stopped from undertaking his commercial endeavours? Course he wasn't, cos he wasn't dumb enough to try it. Maybe there's a lesson in that?
Kennian	Posted - 2003.08.15 13:44:00 - [94] Tank... Be glad you're playing the game at all, if CCP had any balls you and molly'd be permabaned ]
Intruders	Posted - 2003.08.15 13:49:00 - [95] Quote: ‘Do not despise the snake for having no horns, for who is to say it will not become a dragon?' Say.. thats a nice sig man! Every man lives..but not every man dies! My sig sux
Jim Hawkins	Posted - 2003.08.15 13:53:00 - [96] Edited by: Jim Hawkins on 15/08/2003 13:53:59 Quote: Say.. thats a nice sig man! why thankyou. I can't take credit tho. It's from the 1970's chop socky TV show, The Water Margin.
Cro Ramel	Posted - 2003.08.15 14:02:00 - [97] Tharrn - Just because you didn't pod and kill the pirates doesn't mean you didn't get the job done. While those pirates are relocating they aren't pirating are they? Opens the blockade up for travelers does it not? "If it sounds like a bad idea, it is."
Mon Maures	Posted - 2003.08.15 14:06:00 - [98] Edited by: Mon Maures on 15/08/2003 15:22:56 Wordy - you are 100% correct. How many noob corpses do u have in your trophy cabinet now Tank? Fact is i'm sure 99% of the community is having a right good laugh at the thought of you, the exploit king, being taken down by a bug - if thats in fact what it was. And to top it off you have the temerity to a)moan about it & b)ask for a refund. I've heard the term carebear used alot to describe those who moan about pirates and pvp. Now we have a carebear pirate who moans that he can't enter safe systems cos the nasty policeman did his job too well. "I wanted to buy some ammmo .........hahahahahahahahahaha - yeah of course u did, it's always worth going into the polices back yard to get standard equipment when you are public enemy no.1..... what a cck! The fortunes of war, i'll tell you plain, is a wooden leg or a golden chain.*
Cro Ramel	Posted - 2003.08.15 14:07:00 - [99] Edited by: Cro Ramel on 15/08/2003 14:07:54 Oh yeah and insta-gib is nonsense. I saw this crap coming about a month ago so I never let my security status slip. And comparing CONCORD to the pirates that kill people is retarded. Pirates are in one spot blockading, you look on local so say to yourself, "Oh ** Tank CEO is in this system." You then have options to avoid said pirate. CONCORD is everywhere they just warp in and you die, they dont have to find you, they dont have to risk anything because they are NPCs. Complete and utter bull-** if you ask me. Cro out! "If it sounds like a bad idea, it is."
Kennian	Posted - 2003.08.15 14:11:00 - [100] ugh...i fell to my own pettyness there for a minute...even if there's nothing more pathetic than a noob griefer in MMO's... BUT...regardless, on the current topic. NO ONE should EVER be targeted/attacked/webbed/screwed with before their UI loads. and while i agree that pirates should not be in empire space, i dont beleave it's such a bad thing for them to just be passing through. though it should be simmiler to running a blockade. roll the dice, and take your chances. However i honestly have little to no sympathy if you get nailed running through...considering there is absolutely NOTHING in empire space you cant get out in 0.0 space with all those huge corps running around out there. So in the end....make a run for 0.0 space and pray to whatever gods you worship that you make it. Peace and Long Life, ~~Kennian~~ ]

OmegaTron	Posted - 2003.08.15 14:19:00 - [101] Quote: You know its cool that CONCORD is that power full but having no invulnerability after getting outa the last system is just bull crap. People have to go threw 1.0 system. They should be made so that you can travel threw there but not stay there. lol for the same reason +security rating players get shot and killed in 0.0 by players like u. if you want to enter a 1.0 Tank! i suggest you start killing some peeps from your own corp or maybe mOo to get your security to +10.0lol that will be the day ------------------------------------------------ A Plague is comming....
Cro Ramel	Posted - 2003.08.15 14:26:00 - [102] LOL this guy thinks that people get shot in 0.0 space because they have positive security. No they shot because they might drop rare loot. "If it sounds like a bad idea, it is."
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 14:26:00 - [103] Quote: Firstly what fellon would walk into a police station in the first place? - I think you have obviously been watching too many episodes of 'America's Dumbest Criminals'... You'd be surprised at the number of felons with outstanding warrants that walk into a police station every day to pay bail for a friend. Or visit them in jail. Stay away from real life, I'd hate to shatter your fantasies about how it works. Quote: Anyway in this case pirates aint just wanting to walk into the police station - they in fact want to walk through it on their way to somewhere else - or possibly stop off at the fron desk to buy a set of handcuffs... If it were a Concord HQ, you'd have a point. Last time I checked, Highway 59 in Texas didn't go through any police station. There were a couple police stations located along the highway. But the cops didn't have some sort of Spidey Sense that a criminal was passing by on the road. Quote: As others have already pointed out Tank has made a complete whining fool of himself here. Don't care what you think of Tank and it's not relevant to the conversation. Few of those people making fun of Tank have proven up to the challenge of responding to the more rational arguments against the super concord. Guess they're just debate griefers. Quote: The fact is that pirates force normal players to make complete detours around their blockades and now pirates will have to do the same aroun 1.0 sectors. Pirates do not present a 24/7 persistant danger anywhere in space. Most the time, when you're viewing your favorite "Ships destroyed" option in the map, they're not even there any more. Concord is there 24/7 ready to destroy anyone at the drop of a hat. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
OmegaTron	Posted - 2003.08.15 14:39:00 - [104] Quote: LOL this guy thinks that people get shot in 0.0 space because they have positive security. No they shot because they might drop rare loot. what i meant was 9times out of 10 when a ship is destroyed in a 0.0 region the person had positive security rating and is probably just picking up some ammo like Tank ------------------------------------------------ A Plague is comming....
Angel X	Posted - 2003.08.15 14:46:00 - [105] Tank I may have picked up some of you stuff after you got wasted in Amarr. I'll leave it outside the Amarr station if you want to come and pick it up. need to lay down now...
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.08.15 14:47:00 - [106] Tank asked me for money once, he got me good, I ws watching TV and I heard my shields drop... By the time I activated MWD I was webified X3, energy drained... so he initiated convo to ask money. I had no cargo and he saw this so he asked for 3 mil, I had them, but I told him I had 1 mil and that I just joined my corp so I was on probation and no money would be given to me. He accepted the 1 mil and let me go on my way This is not an exploiter in my eyes, just a pirate. Mind you, I WAS mounting 5 proto gausses and about 50 mil worth of other equip, which I had been stoopid enough not to pair up to a warp core stabilizer. But then again, I woul dhave self-destructed rather than give that to him :) ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Hardin	Posted - 2003.08.15 14:49:00 - [107] Quote: Pirates do not present a 24/7 persistant danger anywhere in space. Most the time, when you're viewing your favorite "Ships destroyed" option in the map, they're not even there any more. Concord is there 24/7 ready to destroy anyone at the drop of a hat. Pirates have chosen to be pirates and should therefore accept some consequences for their actions. However, if I get podded by a player pirate its not like I have any choice in the matter. If Tank wants to come and play in 1.0 then he can go and do something about it! In addition, Concord does not pod - PC pirates do! Which is worse?
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.08.15 14:51:00 - [108] Quote: In addition, Concord does not pod - PC pirates do! Which is worse? Concord, now you have to travel X jumps at 120m/s ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 14:59:00 - [109] well you are inside empire space are you not. better to go 20 jumps than paying 1 mill for a new clone -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Aesthete Null	Posted - 2003.08.15 15:07:00 - [110] Personally I think its horrible that Tank's ship got blasted while he couldn't see or do anything about it. What should have happened is he loaded, was immediately webified and scrambled, and had to watch in ultra slow motion as his ship was torn apart atom by atom, complete with excruciating sound effects and a blinding lightshow, while large words flashed on the screen saying: "Suck it Up, Buttercup!!!" Not making him watch his ship get destroyed is the real crime here, and for that I blame CCP for wasting the opportunity to rub his nose in it.

Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.08.15 15:08:00 - [111] Quote: well you are inside empire space are you not. better to go 20 jumps than paying 1 mill for a new clone so you have 6.4 mil experience points? DAMN ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Amthor	Posted - 2003.08.15 15:09:00 - [112] Wow, talk about carebears.. "I lost my ship" river of tears I thinks its unfortunate that you popped right on top of a Concord "Blockade" and lost your ship but I'm sure it was fun for them. Sorry, where is your since of risk again? I bet you feel a lil like your victims right? Mayby I should ask for my ships back every time i have lost it warping into and area i know i could get into trouble and have. Cry to someone else. Amthor, MASS For a wounded man shall say to his assailant "If I live, I will kill you, if I die, you are forgiven." Such is the rule of honor.
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2003.08.15 15:10:00 - [113] Quote: Edited by: Tank CEO on 15/08/2003 04:07:37 Anyone else lose their battleship, cruiser to uber pirates? I just lost mine, I traveled to Amarr because I needed ammo, I got their safely but on the way back i jumped to to Yulia, 1 millisecond after i got outa "Entering Space" I was being warpjammed by a pirate, isnt their a 5 second invulnerabilty time that you get cause i sure as hell didnt get it. Welp looks like ccp is going to be replacing me ship AGAIN. I mean the rats got on to me faster then auto-pilot could warp me, thats just heh, way to go ccp! so, when can we expect you to start threatening to quit? You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 15:15:00 - [114] Quote: In addition, Concord does not pod - PC pirates do! Which is worse? Pirate Isk Analysis: Price of best clone: 4,189,184 isk Isk paid to pirates in 3 months of play: 0 Losses sustained to pirates in 3 months of play: 0 Concord Isk Analysis: Price of best clone: N/A Isk paid to Concord in 3 months of play: N/A Losses sustained to Concord in 3 months of play: Approximately 30 million - 40 million isk. And I do go into 0.0 space, I've chased a few pirates hanging out in low sec areas, I have gone about my business with Setec/DelZon/Crepiscule in the same solar system and have spent 90% of my playtime in systems < .5 So what am I doing wrong? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 15:15:00 - [115] Edited by: Jash Illian on 15/08/2003 15:16:13 dbl post...see next page I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Laer	Posted - 2003.08.15 15:59:00 - [116] No matter what way people put it Tank has a good arguement. Every counter arguement is just BS whiners trying to get revenge. There is no legitimate arguement agains the fact that the new CONCORD is crap. His ship along with everyone else who lost theirs because of that should be refunded.
Jim Hawkins	Posted - 2003.08.15 16:07:00 - [117] Edited by: Jim Hawkins on 15/08/2003 16:07:54 Quote: There is no legitimate arguement agains the fact that the new CONCORD is crap. Well that settles that then
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.08.15 16:09:00 - [118] Quote: Quote: Pirates do not present a 24/7 persistant danger anywhere in space. Most the time, when you're viewing your favorite "Ships destroyed" option in the map, they're not even there any more. Concord is there 24/7 ready to destroy anyone at the drop of a hat. Pirates have chosen to be pirates and should therefore accept some consequences for their actions. However, if I get podded by a player pirate its not like I have any choice in the matter. If Tank wants to come and play in 1.0 then he can go and do something about it! In addition, Concord does not pod - PC pirates do! Which is worse? I'd rather be podded, thanks. Why waste your time flying an egg around? I remember podding used to be a big deal, because at the beginning of retails, there were no clones, so you lost an assload of points. Nowadays you can get a 2.5M point clone for 250k. Which, in the scheme of things is nothing. And newbie clones are even cheaper. After losing your ship, the cost of a pod is next to nothing. .
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.08.15 16:17:00 - [119] Quote: No matter what way people put it Tank has a good arguement. Every counter arguement is just BS whiners trying to get revenge. There is no legitimate arguement agains the fact that the new CONCORD is crap. His ship along with everyone else who lost theirs because of that should be refunded. Please try to return coherent answers, it helps your credibility. You just sounded like a whiner yourself. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Xelios	Posted - 2003.08.15 16:26:00 - [120] Why not pay people to bring you the things you need from empire space?

Zezman	Posted - 2003.08.15 16:28:00 - [121] I lost my first Tristan to CONCORD under entirely different circumstances several weeks ago. Original Rant Posted on Eve-I (»)(») À\Oo/ À=\/= This is Rat. It is a vermin. It has eaten all of Bunny's lettuce.
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 17:04:00 - [122] ive never had any run ins with concord -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Supe	Posted - 2003.08.15 17:37:00 - [123] Since you people are to stupid realize the difference between concord and pc pirates i will help explain it to you. PC pirates have been paying for th game for 3 months Concord don't pay jack. PC pirates worked there asses off to get into battleships. Concord got them for free. PC Pirates worked there asses off for equipment. Concord got it for freee. PC pirates average hits around 200 area and miss. Concord hits for 400 constantly and sentry guns do the same and NEVER MISS. PC pirates faset locking time is around 1 second. Concord Instantly locks/webifies/warpjams you with 1 ship. PC Pirates are owned by Bookmarks but ya lets nerf the mwd more and leave bookmarks as is. PC pirates payed around 130 milllion to get there ships and equip them. They lose there ships before there screen loads. People killed by pc pirates ships cost on average around 40 million tops and they have at least 2-3 seconds to warp away or possibly die. PC pirates are stuck in empire space now cuz well they are further abused by this cough pvp game which offers no pvp value. Face it it's everquest with miners. You can blame us all you want bottem lineis you have a chance to escape i have payed for my account just like everyone else and after a month and half of mining and doing bull** i was sik of it and went for the only other possible route in this game which is pvp. Just so you know all of Sinister Corp lost there security in 0.000001 space which is just proves a point of how ccp likes to screw over paying customers. Further proof of bull is the MinerII thing which still isn't fixed. Rather then fixing bugs the developers feel it's more imporant to make concord a all powerfull force nerf microwarp drives over and over and give away items to friends. The Developers can take this game and stick it where the sun don't shine cuz allmost all of Sinister Corp has canceled there accounts we refuse to pay for a game that is buggy as and has 150% biast developers who can't fix brutal crashing bugs and feel it's more important to us which is a result of there total lack of content in the game. Bottem line is had there been actual content there wouldn't be as many pirates. So with all this in mind this is just another jumpgate which will die in 2-3 months when the next new game comes out and all the carebears go with it. Just a fyi before you noobs scream cancel your account we allready did most of us will be gone between the 27-30th so rejoice you will be able to mine 24/7 and have absolutly nobody to fight anymore. You can ammass as much wealth as you choose but it will serve no purpose until you eventually go pirate yourself. Tell then i will enjoy the next 15 days trappped in a station in empire space. Cuz the devs **** me like everyone else.
wordy	Posted - 2003.08.15 17:41:00 - [124] ok cya "Hey, I am cool. My mum said so!" - Milhouse Van Houten
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 17:45:00 - [125] cya around, have a nice day -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Deadzone	Posted - 2003.08.15 17:53:00 - [126] Supe, all that is fine and dandy, but when you became a PC frat, you made the choice to play by the LIMITED set of rules that encompass that career choice. YOU KNEW that being a pc rat would get you attacked by Concord in high-sec space. YOu KNEW that PC rat hunters would kill you if they had the chance. And you knew that you had the chance of losing your ship and equipment at any time just due to your sec rating. You post what the biggest load of ** I have ever seen. YOU made every choice to become what you have become, so you have two more choices to make. You can either live by the RULES defined by your career choice, or there is the door. F whiners like you are the absolute worst, especially when you whine about losing everything when you choose to live on the wrong side of the line. Tough **. Vice-Admiral Executive Commanding Officer Military Command Hadead Drive Yards
smoked	Posted - 2003.08.15 17:56:00 - [127] Quote: Tank, I can;t believe you are sitting here whinning about losing your ship, when you are one of the biggest PK'ers in the game....entering SECURE space on top of it. Jesus, get a clue! This is a typical trolling foool, why not use your "main" character to post bs like this? This should also plain and simple show there is a problem, tank one of the better ppl killed due to an EXTREEM CHANGE. CCP=One Extreem To The Next. Do you realize how many "F0k This I am Unsubscribing" I heard yesterday? CCP works backwards sometimes, and this one extreem after another should show they need to have a more acceptable deployment of new "UBER" Concord, etc etc. Oh well, why don't you troll some more. That is, if it's a pirate inquiring about balance or game mechanics he is whining. Ever here a M3G4 cry to you after you blew him up? I didn't think so...
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2003.08.15 18:05:00 - [128] Quote: Edited by: Jim Raynor on 15/08/2003 06:42:27 Pirates should be able to move through empire space.. just not able to hang around for long. If you want to police Eve let the players do it, not SUPER NPC BATTLESHIPS AND SENTRY GUNS. It's retarded currently, sorry. Dude, what do you know? Are you the one coding the game? Show me a piece of EVE coding with your name on it. Seriously, what makes you think pirates should be able to move through empire space. As far as I know, thats your opinion, not some standard the game must follow. The devs obviously have a vision of how their own game should behave, and its only tough luck that it conflicts with your opinion. I'm sorry if that sounded rude, but please stop and think before posting. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.15 18:05:00 - [129] Im not reading all this but anywas i skimmed right threw this post. But, If autopilot cant warp you out faster then Concord locks u and target jamms u then theres something wrong there. Right after i got outa "Entering SpacE" I was already locked and jammed, now how is that fair to me? I had 0 time to react, nothing. At least your so called newbies had a chance to react. I didnt use warp dis in 1.0 space and most of the time they were afk because the afk where pretty much the only ones i could get because it would sometimes take me more then 1 try to get them meaning i had to warp out cause of concord. ---
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 18:09:00 - [130] Edited by: Photon on 15/08/2003 18:09:30 Quote: Quote: Tank, I can;t believe you are sitting here whinning about losing your ship, when you are one of the biggest PK'ers in the game....entering SECURE space on top of it. Jesus, get a clue! This is a typical trolling foool, why not use your "main" character to post bs like this? This should also plain and simple show there is a problem, tank one of the better ppl killed due to an EXTREEM CHANGE. CCP=One Extreem To The Next. Do you realize how many "F0k This I am Unsubscribing" I heard yesterday? CCP works backwards sometimes, and this one extreem after another should show they need to have a more acceptable deployment of new "UBER" Concord, etc etc. Oh well, why don't you troll some more. That is, if it's a pirate inquiring about balance or game mechanics he is whining. Ever here a M3G4 cry to you after you blew him up? I didn't think so... haha btw read about the crying m0o in the other forum then :) no offence but that puts a spice on things -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.

Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 18:11:00 - [131] Quote: Im not reading all this but anywas i skimmed right threw this post. But, If autopilot cant warp you out faster then Concord locks u and target jamms u then theres something wrong there. Right after i got outa "Entering SpacE" I was already locked and jammed, now how is that fair to me? I had 0 time to react, nothing. At least your so called newbies had a chance to react. I didnt use warp dis in 1.0 space and most of the time they were afk because the afk where pretty much the only ones i could get because it would sometimes take me more then 1 try to get them meaning i had to warp out cause of concord. Well why did you try to enter 1.0 space in the first place? -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Heritor	Posted - 2003.08.15 18:22:00 - [132] And your problem is ...........
Lifewire	Posted - 2003.08.15 18:25:00 - [133] Its hard to see Sinister leaving...and all they tell is so right! For what should i go on mining to get a BS? The game is a online player game, with online enemys and ALL ITEMS ARE WEAPONS (eccept the Miner I)!!! But there is nothing to figth - all is booring and i¦ll go back to play "Vietcong" with only 15 other players on our little own game server when my 3 months are over, leaving the folks alone here that thinks the game is funny without action. Making a seccure area for n00bs is cool, making all space secure is - boring...
Lifewire	Posted - 2003.08.15 18:33:00 - [134] CCP should start a second server without NPCs, sentry guns and police for - experienced players only. I bet we would have fun there
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.15 18:43:00 - [135] I had to goto 1.0 space to buy ammo since no one hangs around in .4 space or less space. Way to go CCP, I cant even get ammo now. ---
Amorex	Posted - 2003.08.15 18:49:00 - [136] You choose to be a pirate, now pay a price for that choiсe.
wordy	Posted - 2003.08.15 18:54:00 - [137] Use lasers Just a thought "Hey, I am cool. My mum said so!" - Milhouse Van Houten
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2003.08.15 18:59:00 - [138] Quote: I had to goto 1.0 space to buy ammo since no one hangs around in .4 space or less space. Way to go CCP, I cant even get ammo now. You are such a carbear! lolzo9rz!!! u want cpc to come up with ansr for u u dont even think!@ U COULd oops sorry caps lock you could pay sum1 to get u ammo! u could mug someone with an ammo bp! you could heaven forbid by an ammo bp copy for urself! you could keep a stash of pirateed craploot, recycle it, and use those minerals to make ur ammo! u be sneeky and ask a freind to pass a message to hire a dude to carry a crap load of ammo to u! OMG imagine the guys face when he realized he just rearmed Tank CEO! OMG OMGOMG! LOLOL!!! if only you could screenshot his face! but no u gotta come here and whine and wah wah wah carebaear about how hard it is do things that u were warned you shuddnt aoughtta do! care bear carebear carbear care-wear carwhere hargrave har har so there to kthxlububye. You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
wordy	Posted - 2003.08.15 19:05:00 - [139] Hang on a bit, why are we giving Tank CEO ideas? Doesn't he always try and pod ppl? "Hey, I am cool. My mum said so!" - Milhouse Van Houten
Lao Tzu	Posted - 2003.08.15 19:12:00 - [140] You can try and give Tank ideas, but I don't think they'll sink in

Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.15 19:24:00 - [141] You are a freak and immature Bad. ---
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2003.08.15 19:26:00 - [142] mr. pot, meet mr. kettle. Actually, i think you could really spice up someone's day with that last one. If you could actually control your immature urges long enough to not kill the poor bastard, you might even make a valuable contact and supplier - thereby adding depth to the game. but "adding depth" doesn't seem to be your plan You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Grisnalg	Posted - 2003.08.15 19:48:00 - [143] I have no mercy or compassion for exploiters/griefers like Tank, Molly, etc. You got what you richly deserved. How many times did we see posts by people "I got pk'd by Tank, etc... by the time my comp loaded up and the loading space tab was gone I was already at the clone station.." On the flip side CCP's fixes are extremely heavy handed and poorly thought out. I would have much rather seen Tank post about how he lost his ship after a long drawn out fight with a Concord Fleet he couldnt escape. By that I mean a well balanced fleet that chased him down and caught him, not insta spawned on him. Give everyone a chance I say. However Tank, Molly and crew have well earned this by their own actions. Like it has been said before, you should have already been banned.
JAXX	Posted - 2003.08.15 19:49:00 - [144] OK, seriously most if not all of these people seem to just want to say haha you had it coming. The point that you all are missing is that thre was no warning that this would happen even. The patch notes say something to the effect of concord and sentry guns get a boost to power. they say nothing of Pirates entering Secure space will instantly locked, scrambled, webbed, and destroyed by 400HP per shot guns before you screen even loads. What if he had docked there over night? he'd never even have a chance to leave carebear land...This is total BS and no, this patch doesn't affect me (yet), yes my corp mates have been podded by tank, but I still have the ability to see that Tank got shafted on this one. Just wait till one of you splash a drone or something and.... poof insta Kill! I just watched a guy spontaneously splat who splashed a destroyed station while trying to kill NPCs. Why even put concord in ships if they are instantly locking and killing you, you might as well just have a notice that pops up saying you have entered carebear space, you have died, enjoy your pod. Sometimes to win, you have to fight just as mean and dirty as the other guy. Nobody will beat you challenging you to the field of honor for pistols at dawn. They have to slit your throat while you lay in bed, just like you'd do them. - Jash Illian
smoked	Posted - 2003.08.15 20:14:00 - [145] Quote: You choose to be a pirate, now pay a price for that choiсe. shut up carebear pirate your comments are irrelevant because you guys still dont' know what you are and plain simply your just another pirate corp trying to deny their ways.
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2003.08.15 20:20:00 - [146] Quote: OK, seriously most if not all of these people seem to just want to say haha you had it coming. The point that you all are missing is that thre was no warning that this would happen even. for the record, i am poking tank because being annihilated before he had NO chance to respond is PRECISELY what he's inflicted on many others. Note i did not say i believed this shoudl continue - just poked him. Poke! Poke!! Peek! C-64 bytes free!!!!!! I still have yet to hear a good reason why he thinks he should be in Amarr? Or any 1.0 system? Or why he doesn't at least have some better sources of ammo than Run Real Fast? Logistics, man, logistics! I neither enjoy his destruction nor give a rat's ass worth of sympathy about it. Nor do i think he's looking for any. But he IS saying it's goofy he can't go to 1.0 without being instasplatted - and that itself seems goofy to me. If he can't see how his complaint about the method of destruction is hypocritical, shrug, whatever. He's killed MANY people with no chance to escape - he did not seem overly concerned then - he should not be overly concerned now. It will improve, or it will not, or he should alter his travelling plans. You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Presidio	Posted - 2003.08.15 20:28:00 - [147] Ok here is an idea that should keep everyone happy. Pirate enters the 1.0 sec system. Concord shows up and instead of shooting the pirate it target jamms him/her. This should take care of the problem, the pirates can travel tru the empire space but they cannot operate there. CCP: leave bounty hunting to us, real players, Concord is cheating. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 20:30:00 - [148] My...the maturity level of the internet is astonishing. I see now why schools are trying to expose kids to the internet as early as possible. They'll fit right in. Look. Calling Tank and other pirates names isn't refuting a single point of their argument. If you believe Tank is immature, why are you wasting so much energy to bring yourself down to his perceived maturity level? A scant few of you actually attempt to refute the arguments present by those other than Tank. But most of you haven't proven you have any argument beyond childish "Nyaah, Nyaaah! You got busted!" I left in Elementary School. You say the pirates deserve it for their action. Why does a player that pays the same amount of money that you do deserve NO chance to escape when you still have a chance to escape them? "Because I don't like them" is not a valid answer. Now, can any of you take that on? Or shall we wait for Tank's next post so you can use your schoolyard jeers as an argument? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 20:34:00 - [149] Quote: Ok here is an idea that should keep everyone happy. Pirate enters the 1.0 sec system. Concord shows up and instead of shooting the pirate it target jamms him/her. This should take care of the problem, the pirates can travel tru the empire space but they cannot operate there. CCP: leave bounty hunting to us, real players, Concord is cheating. They already did. Prior to the patch if a pirate went hostile Concord immediately warped in and warp scrambled, webified to 0m/s, and completely jammed their ship. Bugs not counted. The two armageddons that fled at the sight of Molly could have attacked her without fear of retribution. She couldn't lock anything. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2003.08.15 20:34:00 - [150] I've been flying around with my -4.0 security rating through empire space for a while now.. After patch I've lost two ships to superfast targetting speed of security forces... Locked and destroyed almost before space finishes loading. (just insured bestowers and punishers since I knew CCP would OVERCOMPENSATE yet again) That's in 0.7 sec space btw. -4.0 sec can't pass through 0.7 space without getting warp scrambled and blown to bits before autopilot kicks in. Is it just me or is there practically no difference between 1.0 and 0.5 sec space ? and -10 sec and -2.1 ? (aside from players being able to attack with impunity at -5) http://eve.klaki.net/

Hummus	Posted - 2003.08.15 20:37:00 - [151] "since no one hangs around in .4 space or less space" And why praytell does no one hang around 0.4 security space? OH I KNOW! To avoid PC Pirates like you who'll pod them without a second though! OMFG, what a concept! ========================================== Hobbies: Seeking out the Village idiot and making sure I'm smarter. So far, so good!!
eriq	Posted - 2003.08.15 20:50:00 - [152] given that this story comes from a guy who seems to spend so much time figuring out different ways to get around the code that's written for the game i seriously doubt that he was doing something so innocent as "buying ammo". most likely he was trying to exploit more code problems and it didn't work out for him.
Stue	Posted - 2003.08.15 20:57:00 - [153] I sure as hell wud swing the old mining 1 to get my ammo instead of tigering thru empire space as a pirate now. Thats amusing isnt it
NyteMask	Posted - 2003.08.15 20:58:00 - [154] Sinister, M00, Molly, Tank You are what brings the quality of this game to its knees. You are cheaters and exploiters. Nothing else. Seems to me this has only really happened to a few players (by reading in this thread anyway). Could it be it was GM's watching and waiting you out to give you some of your own medicine back at you?? It sure dont mention the fallout from entering secure empire space for have a real bad security rating...so it may have been alittle payback. Now I could be totally wrong about that...just a n idea based on no fact. However, you are the same people you exploited a bug in the code that freely allowed you to enter 1.0 space with obsurd security ratings and freely attach players without any threat to yourself. If the person you were attacking tried to fire back..Concord would attack them instead. You exploited known bugs in the system. Its time you felt alittle burn yourself. As far has having to take such a long route to avoid 1.0 and empire space, umm.. that is just the life of a pirate. Now, I would agree that maybe a Item or Skill could be put in to allow pirates a chance to sneak past police in empire space, like a id scrambler or something. Take this for example. A wanted murderer in real life wanders into town..but wait..hes just passing thru...lets just let him go. no way..you are wanted criminals...end of story. You chose your path, now you must walk it. Just like we have to take the long ass way around to avoid people like you in 0.0 space.. You cant have your cake and eat it too.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 21:07:00 - [155] Edited by: Jash Illian on 15/08/2003 21:16:01 Edited by: Jash Illian on 15/08/2003 21:15:28 Quote: Take this for example. A wanted murderer in real life wanders into town..but wait..hes just passing thru...lets just let him go. no way..you are wanted criminals...end of story. You chose your path, now you must walk it. Just like we have to take the long ass way around to avoid people like you in 0.0 space.. I can't resist... STOP ALREADY WITH THE STUPID REAL LIFE EXAMPLES. You want reality? Fine. Here's your reality. For the small sum of about 1.2 million dollars, I can hire a lawyer that can get me off of any crime lacking any concrete evidence. No eyewitnesses? No video tape? 1.2m and he'll enjoy it. A wanted murder wanders through town CONSTANTLY in real life. What? Are you naive enough to think they're all living in the wilderness hunting with homemade bows and arrows? They walk up and down your streets, they serve you food in restaurants, they pump your gas, they could be standing right next to you in line at the grocery store. Where's your Robocop response? Why isn't SWAT filling the highways with a curtain of lead killing every wanted criminal in the world? Oh right, that's because it's stupid to expect something like that in Real Life. I went for 3 years with a bench warrant outstanding for an unpaid traffic ticket. I got stopped about 10 times during those 3 years, recieved tickets, paid the tickets and went about my business. I didn't even remember it until I got busted one night during a warrant sweep in the night club I was at. So please, do me a huge favor: Stay home and never leave your house. Getting slapped with reality might prove fatal. You're one of those people the cops say "Well he should known better" while chalking the corpse outline, aren't you? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Eliadur	Posted - 2003.08.15 21:17:00 - [156] CCP really doesn't have a lot of experience do they...or they just want to lose all their customers. CONCORD is waaaayyy too strong, but then again as a pirate you shouldn't be allowed deep into Empire space anyway. -Eli ---------- I think therefore I am.
zurk	Posted - 2003.08.15 21:20:00 - [157] Quote: Edited by: Tank CEO on 15/08/2003 04:07:37 Anyone else lose their battleship, cruiser to uber concord? I just lost mine, I traveled to Amarr because I needed ammo, I got their safely but on the way back i jumped to to Yulia, 1 millisecond after i got outa "Entering Space" I was being attacked by concord, isnt their a 5 second invulnerabilty time that you get cause i sure as hell didnt get it. Welp looks like ccp is going to be replacing me ship AGAIN. I mean the cops got on to me faster then auto-pilot could warp me, thats just heh, way to go ccp! Welkome to the party Tank , one of my friends got podded 1/2 sec after Entering space by a M3G4 corp member last week.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 21:24:00 - [158] Quote: Quote: Edited by: Tank CEO on 15/08/2003 04:07:37 Anyone else lose their battleship, cruiser to uber concord? I just lost mine, I traveled to Amarr because I needed ammo, I got their safely but on the way back i jumped to to Yulia, 1 millisecond after i got outa "Entering Space" I was being attacked by concord, isnt their a 5 second invulnerabilty time that you get cause i sure as hell didnt get it. Welp looks like ccp is going to be replacing me ship AGAIN. I mean the cops got on to me faster then auto-pilot could warp me, thats just heh, way to go ccp! Welkome to the party Tank , one of my friends got podded 1/2 sec after Entering space by a M3G4 corp member last week. What was he flying? A pod? I took 3 salvos from a bship armed with tachyons at range. When I finally warped I had arout 30% armor ant 50% structure left. And that's a cruiser. We're not talking about a reaper vs a megathron here. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.15 21:45:00 - [159] Edited by: Tank CEO on 15/08/2003 21:51:07 CONCORD is GOD plain n simple. A person deserves at least 5-10 seconds to warp out. I received no invuln time. thats So bull****. All of you who got killed by me, you all got 5-10 seconds to react. ME, i didnt even get 1 second. Concord got me before a computer autopilot could warp me, concord locked onto me before i was even in space. Hmmmmm Something is wrong there ---
Deathwing	Posted - 2003.08.15 21:52:00 - [160] Im not even a pirate I have a -2.5 cause i killed a ore thief and and faction police was able to web and scramble me from 22k away right after comming out of a jump my new ship and its equip gone this sucks the big one <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS

Fusco T	Posted - 2003.08.15 21:54:00 - [161] Jash stfu. You are the biggest pirate fanboi on these boards and do nothing but grind your nose into their collective rectums. Here's the truth: a) Tank says I got insta ganked by CONCORD. b) Tank Says I was looking to buy ammo there. c) Tank says my auto-pilot wouldn't engage. d) You can't auto pilot to a dock (so which is it ammo or passing through?) e) (your point jash) Pirates DO camp jump in points and insta lock and damn near insta-kill bestowers (I should know). f) Tank says no one sells ammo in .4 or below. g) Every type of ammo is for sale 4 hops from obe (m3g4 hangout). So guess what? Tank lies. Now why would YOU instantly believe him that he was killed before screen loaded? Maybe because you're a suck up? Maybe because you're mentally deficient? Possibly because you're a complete and total loser? The potential is limitless. But please, please, please just stop spamming these boards with your know-it-all attitude and your insignificant threats of losing sec status on people. You are a joke. What happened to tank, happened, it is for him to sort out with GMs if it is indeed a bug etc... I too have lost a ship to a bug yet recieved no payback, so have countless others. The system works the way it works now, good for tank on warning others. The trick now is to step down from your soapboax Jash and work towards a reasonable solution.
Karif	Posted - 2003.08.15 21:55:00 - [162] So let me understand this: 1) Before the patch, CONCORD was ineffective against PCs in battleships. 2) After the patch, CONCORD is effective against PCs in battleships. Yes, that most certainly sounds like a bug to me. I'll rush off now and file a bug report right now. YOU forced this issue. Had you and your idiotic bretheren figured out that there are some lines that are not worth crossing, like pressing your luck against the people who can delete your character ON A WHIM and not even compensate you for doing so, then maybe this would not have happened. So now CONCORD has to respond in kind because of 1 out of maybe 1000 players and everyone suffers because of it. This had nothing to do with Carebears, which is delicious irony. What's the cliche? You reap what you sow. Now that 1.0 space is remarkably secure, perhaps CCP will finally be able to work on making .999 space and lower mean something different than 1.0 space. =============================== Deception + Information + Skill
Drutort	Posted - 2003.08.15 22:07:00 - [163] what about giving you a time limit in the 1.0 sec before the cops get there forces and attack you? enough time just to pass through with say auto pilot... but you should have no business in 1.0 sec no reason for you to dock etc... as that would be like a wanted person going shoping in a super market. support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Sonia	Posted - 2003.08.15 22:13:00 - [164] hell if you choose the path of piracy, don't think u can come in civilise area without being chase by cops. cops are only doing their job and if u are a pirate player than u deserve to get blow away. i dont see any npc ps give me 10 or even 5 sec before targetting me when i approch a SG with 2 ps or so. it's the game. if u got bad secu ratting, then go blow away couple npc ps then u may come in and buy your ammo here withoug having to run from the law or better yet, blow away one of your player pirate partner, that will boost your secu up quite a bit and make a few isk on the way too. "http://simple.ronacorp.com/soniasig.jpg" http://www.ronacorp.com
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 22:15:00 - [165] Quote: Jash stfu. You are the biggest pirate fanboi on these boards and do nothing but grind your nose into their collective rectums. Here's the truth: a) Tank says I got insta ganked by CONCORD. b) Tank Says I was looking to buy ammo there. c) Tank says my auto-pilot wouldn't engage. d) You can't auto pilot to a dock (so which is it ammo or passing through?) e) (your point jash) Pirates DO camp jump in points and insta lock and damn near insta-kill bestowers (I should know). f) Tank says no one sells ammo in .4 or below. g) Every type of ammo is for sale 4 hops from obe (m3g4 hangout). So guess what? Tank lies. Now why would YOU instantly believe him that he was killed before screen loaded? Maybe because you're a suck up? Maybe because you're mentally deficient? Possibly because you're a complete and total loser? The potential is limitless. But please, please, please just stop spamming these boards with your know-it-all attitude and your insignificant threats of losing sec status on people. You are a joke. What happened to tank, happened, it is for him to sort out with GMs if it is indeed a bug etc... I too have lost a ship to a bug yet recieved no payback, so have countless others. The system works the way it works now, good for tank on warning others. The trick now is to step down from your soapboax Jash and work towards a reasonable solution. Because of overzealous "I wanna just train indy 4 and suck up isk" pain in the necks, what was a fun region is retardely safe. I've transport blueprints in shuttles, that's how stupifyingly safe it is. Because of overzealous "I can't fight because the only thing I've trained is Mining and Astrogeology. And I'm too lazy to find an escort while running 50m worth of cargo" I've lost ships to bugs introduced by CCP to satisfy the laziest people on the planet. Because of overzealous "I can't trade anything because if I load up my industrial with 50m worth of cargo and fly through low sec space, unguarded and moving about as fast as a snail on salt", few people can participate in trade. Because the minute it became stupifyingly safe, the people with huge amounts of isk began sucking down the supply like twinkies at a fat farm. While it was dangerous, the possibility of losing a cargo made it so it wasn't cost effective. And because of insulting, Holier Than Thou moralistic trolls that can't separate a game from reality due to the lack of any exposure to real life cept through what they see on websites like you, I find the pirates to be far better company. At least they're honest about screwing people over. Instead of trying to apply some asinine moral code that'd get them killed in the real world while trying to screw over other players that pay just as much real money as them to get their way. The pirate players never asked to be able to kill anyone, anywhere. But you beg and whine to fly everywhere, anytime unmolested. The pirates can say "Good job" when you vape their ships. You can only resort to childish name calling, real life threats and wishing bodily harm on people you've never met. And for your point about camping warp in points and instalocking, that's bullcrap. They may end up locking faster than your computer loads the game so you're beyond your invulnerability period (which is CCP's bother, not theirs). But only the NPCs can spawn, lock and fire instantly. So stuff your insults someplace where they'll do you some good. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 22:26:00 - [166] Quote: So let me understand this: 1) Before the patch, CONCORD was ineffective against PCs in battleships. 2) After the patch, CONCORD is effective against PCs in battleships. Yes, that most certainly sounds like a bug to me. I'll rush off now and file a bug report right now. YOU forced this issue. Had you and your idiotic bretheren figured out that there are some lines that are not worth crossing, like pressing your luck against the people who can delete your character ON A WHIM and not even compensate you for doing so, then maybe this would not have happened. So now CONCORD has to respond in kind because of 1 out of maybe 1000 players and everyone suffers because of it. This had nothing to do with Carebears, which is delicious irony. What's the cliche? You reap what you sow. Now that 1.0 space is remarkably secure, perhaps CCP will finally be able to work on making .999 space and lower mean something different than 1.0 space. If you ever bothered to fight a Concord ship you'd know that while they were ineffective at killing a battleship, they were pretty damn good at pulling the teeth from one. Giving Concord and sentry guns insane damage amounts means that nobody, neither pirate that's been gleefully popping indies like pez nor semi-experienced player that just got his first medium smartbomb, will survive the encounter. That's bad game mechanics. Especially when there were far better options availible. Jamming worked against bships just fine. Energy Neutralizers would give you a chance to escape while making it perfectly clear that within seconds, all your defenses will be gone. Shield hardeners and boosters are what rendered Concord ineffective at killing bships. Take away their juice, and it's just big balloon waiting to be popped. Even Sensor Dampeners, reducing the bship's targetting range to 0 like their webifiers reduce their speed to 0, would render them harmless while they continued to nibble away their bships. But that'd actually take an ounce of thought and giving a damn instead of listening to one side of the playerbase exclusively. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.15 22:30:00 - [167] First off, Amarr has all types of ammo and thats where I get all of my ammo when my corp is not online to make me some. SEcond, So what if I want to buy myself ammo, why Do I have to make my own? Who the hell cares about that. Im not lieing, I don't lie, I keep my word, Why would I lie to u people, ur somebody over the internet. I was going threw empire space plain n simple, I shouldnt have known they were uber, I had 2 mwds on to get me gate to gate cause i knew there where some improvements and thought I could make it threw unharmed but being attacked when im not even in space is bull**** and all you people know it so shut the f up and stop flaming on me. ---
Fusco T	Posted - 2003.08.15 22:40:00 - [168] ""But you beg and whine to fly everywhere, anytime unmolested."" NOT true. Players want to be in 1.0 to .5 WITH police response as advertised. I have NEVER seen a post asking for police response in 0.0. So again you are WRONG! ""The pirates can say "Good job" when you vape their ships."" Oh? Go check 'crime and punishment' there is a thread called 'best pirate story ever' (not the one by Jim Raynor (although that is worth reading as well)). So again you are WRONG! ""You can only resort to childish name calling, real life threats and wishing bodily harm on people you've never met."" Is that right? Considering the only time I've used foul languange in-game is to describe CCP prgramming ability I find that to be again WRONG! Or do you have a an eve-mail from me or chat logs where you found this to be true? Didn't think so liar. Ok so you got destroyed by concord. That just makes you stupid, no big deal. I on the other hand never have and I have experienced every facet of eve EXCEPT pirating others. It is very clear to me why you suck up to people like Tank, because you are as big a liar as he is. Now I know because I disagree with you, you will put me in some stereotype of carebear etc.. This I find especially hypocritical considering you of all people should know that sterotyping is a bad thing. Heck I don't even really mind Tank and the m3g4 boys so much. I think Tank should watch his hyperboyle on the boards and if wants a favorable reaction he should start with stating truths instead of lies. So there you have it your biggest arguement is how stupifyingly (sp?) easy trading/operating is in 1.0 - .5 yet you admit to having been destroyed. Is it just me or can everyone see the glaring contradiction and or severe self abnigation?
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 22:51:00 - [169] Edited by: Photon on 15/08/2003 22:51:31 damn this is what I get for sleeping. Ok I've read the rest of the topic and my opinions: First: ffs stop flaming each other, is there no way to have a discussion without brininging in carebears and whatwhat? Secondly: yes i think ccp has overpowered concord, but I still think no wanted pirate (or at least bellow -0.5) should be able to enter 100% secure space. Maybe he did a mistake aproaching that stargate, the apropiate action would be to just bleed him, not kill him but take away targeting, and propulsion (not warp drives) so the only option would be to wait for say 20 seconds when concord would unleash an armada or go back again... -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Jarjar	Posted - 2003.08.15 22:59:00 - [170] Sorry, but I won't read this entire thread. I just want to say that the changes suck. I fired upon a police vessel in 0.5 in a Caracal, to try it out. One or two volleys from sentrys + police ships and I was long gone... Come on, they should hurt you, but not THAT fast. A battleship without hardeners wouldn't last more than 20 seconds.

Deathwing	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:02:00 - [171] Edited by: Deathwing on 15/08/2003 23:05:52 I would like to see all the miners and trader in this game look at this topic from an opposite point of view. What if they went into 0 sec space adn warped to a belt, and were instantly webbed, and scrambled. Then, if they even tried to break free and shoot their way out, more pirates came untill you either ran out of Ammo or cap. ffs 90% of the people in these forums are ignorant fools. Im not saying 1.0 sec space shouldnt be safe, but atleast when you go and attack a pirate pc and npc, they have to abide by the invulnerability law, unlike concord and faction police, who also coincidnetaly happen to be able to web you at 22k which nothing else in the game can do If they want faction police to be this overpowered, then perhaps changing the sec status they actively engage on would be appropriate. Cause to get my sec status, i killed a fool who was an ore thief a few days ago. ffs, if i get this kind of retaliation for killing one person, once i kill once, why even bother comming back to Empire Space? <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:04:00 - [172] Quote: ""But you beg and whine to fly everywhere, anytime unmolested."" NOT true. Players want to be in 1.0 to .5 WITH police response as advertised. I have NEVER seen a post asking for police response in 0.0. So again you are WRONG! Explain all the whining about Mara/Passari? That is low sec space. Quote: ""The pirates can say "Good job" when you vape their ships."" Oh? Go check 'crime and punishment' there is a thread called 'best pirate story ever' (not the one by Jim Raynor (although that is worth reading as well)). So again you are WRONG! Call me different but maybe because the first thing out my mouth isn't a wish that someone's family member dies, they meet with a tragic accident or an accusation of their mother's fidelity I've always had much better responses. And since I don't spend my time hounding Molly with the retarded "I thought your quit" bs because due to the lack of a better high card, we can carry on nice conversations...Though i wouldn't bank on those chats to save me if I met her at a blockade. Quote: ""You can only resort to childish name calling, real life threats and wishing bodily harm on people you've never met."" Is that right? Considering the only time I've used foul languange in-game is to describe CCP prgramming ability I find that to be again WRONG! Or do you have a an eve-mail from me or chat logs where you found this to be true? Didn't think so liar. Tell me, what does 'STFU' stand for anyways? Just what did I do to you personally to provoke your attack on me? Oh that's right. I didn't do a damn thing to you. So given your behavior here and in the past, I'm supposed to believe that you're better than that? This is for you: Quote: Ok so you got destroyed by concord. That just makes you stupid, no big deal. I on the other hand never have and I have experienced every facet of eve EXCEPT pirating others. Let's see. Someone locks my ship and starts firing on me. Concord is late showing so I fire back. Concord shows up and destroys his ship. When they blow up his ship I take a sec hit for participating in his destruction. Concord then destroys my ship. Please tell me where I was stupid. The first time I lost my ship, it was by my choice because a stray torpedo from my ship blew up on someone else and caused them to lose sec status (the negative corp standing bug). And I attacked Concord to pull them off her for my mistake. I set the corp standing. I fired the torp. I even knew about the damn bug. Figured the least I could do was take out the lead ships so she could jump out. Quote: It is very clear to me why you suck up to people like Tank, because you are as big a liar as he is. Now I know because I disagree with you, you will put me in some stereotype of carebear etc.. This I find especially hypocritical considering you of all people should know that sterotyping is a bad thing. Tank CEO is one of the pirates I've never had any contact with. I've talked to Molly, Setec, Crepiscule and others. Tank? Only seen him in local and never bothered to chat with him Quote: Heck I don't even really mind Tank and the m3g4 boys so much. I think Tank should watch his hyperboyle on the boards and if wants a favorable reaction he should start with stating truths instead of lies. So there you have it your biggest arguement is how stupifyingly (sp?) easy trading/operating is in 1.0 - .5 yet you admit to having been destroyed. Is it just me or can everyone see the glaring contradiction and or severe self abnigation? So now that you know the circustances behind my ships' destruction at Concord's hands, do you feel better? My response woulda been quicker but I'm a bit busy at the moment fighting and I have to keep poping back over to reload ammo. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:05:00 - [173] Are Molly and Jash related? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:11:00 - [174] Quote: Are Molly and Jash related? Now that's funny, Josh! I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:17:00 - [175] Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 15/08/2003 23:18:12 Using real-life examples in Eve is wrong. However, CONCORD should still be so awesomely powerful as to deter ANY thought of agression in 1.0. Actually, not ALL 1.0 space - just the starting systems like Todaki and Rydinnjorn. At the end of the day, SOMETHING is wrong if people don't leave 1.0 space. It's too easy...too profitable...too comfortable. I've spent the last 5 hours soloing around Stain killing pirates and there hasn't been a single person cross my path - people have this big idea that 0.0 space is dangerous but it isn't. Pirates rarely bother the depths of 0.0 because there's no profit there. Thats why pirates hang around 1.0 space...because THATS where the people are. There should be some avenue for them....create a ring of unsecured non-empire space between the races regions...get rid of the super highways... Let's not make Eve TOO soft but neither do we want to be insta-ganked. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Jarjar	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:19:00 - [176] No pirates are either stupid or mighty enough to set up a blockade/solo run/anything in Stain.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:21:00 - [177] True but there are other unclaimed areas of 0.0 non-empire space out there LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:36:00 - [178] Quote: Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 15/08/2003 23:18:12 Using real-life examples in Eve is wrong. However, CONCORD should still be so awesomely powerful as to deter ANY thought of agression in 1.0. Actually, not ALL 1.0 space - just the starting systems like Todaki and Rydinnjorn. At the end of the day, SOMETHING is wrong if people don't leave 1.0 space. It's too easy...too profitable...too comfortable. I've spent the last 5 hours soloing around Stain killing pirates and there hasn't been a single person cross my path - people have this big idea that 0.0 space is dangerous but it isn't. Pirates rarely bother the depths of 0.0 because there's no profit there. Thats why pirates hang around 1.0 space...because THATS where the people are. There should be some avenue for them....create a ring of unsecured non-empire space between the races regions...get rid of the super highways... Let's not make Eve TOO soft but neither do we want to be insta-ganked. Exactly. Deter the thought of aggression. Instaganking people the minute they enter space is overkill. 400hp hits is massive overkill. CCP balanced Concord against bship performance to satisfy the cries of the furbearers. The problem with that is by balancing Concord's response against the strongest, you guarantee that the weakest have absolutely no chance whatsoever. When enough people complain about getting vaporized by sentry guns because they fired a missile at a npc pirate on the other side of a stargate, maybe CCP will listen. Or those newbies will get sick of hearing the same rabid furbearers that abuse the pirates on these forums tell them "Well you should have known better to use missiles near a stargate" and leave. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
NoHawker	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:40:00 - [179] Let that be a lesson to you. What are you going to do? I'm going to kill them all sir
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:40:00 - [180] Edited by: Photon on 15/08/2003 23:40:31 ffs stop whining about it, file petitions, send mail to the developers, make threads in the ideas forum, and play the game as it is... -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.

Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:49:00 - [181] Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 15/08/2003 23:59:23 Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 15/08/2003 23:52:08 I'm happy with the game as it is - it lets ME do what I want free of hindrance from messed-up game dynamics. I don't really have to wory about getting ganked by CONCORD - I know the rules of the game and I play to them. Trying to FORCE the rules by behaving like a podkilling ass in 1.0 space isn't the way to go. However, Eve is not about me. It's about everyone and things do need fixing. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:51:00 - [182] Quote: Edited by: Photon on 15/08/2003 23:40:31 ffs stop whining about it, file petitions, send mail to the developers, make threads in the ideas forum, and play the game as it is... The only dev that actually bothered to answer and didn't avoid the topic like the red plague was laid off a couple weeks back. I think people would love to play the game like it is...cept it keeps changing from patch to patch with no clear direction on how Spontaneous PvP and Piracy fit into Eve. And no clear statement from a single person on why they seem to vacillate back and forth between promoting piracy and punishing people for participating in it. Eventually people get frustrated playing that game. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:53:00 - [183] didn't you read the warning "game experience may change during gameplay" :) -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Quantum Matrix	Posted - 2003.08.15 23:58:00 - [184] Actually, You can instalock anyone who appears in a system having just jumped in. It's not an NPC only thing. I've known people to get podded before their screens load if they appear at the same planet as some pirates. I've also locked someone in the same way when they appeared. -QM What do we want? Brains! When do we want them? Brains!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:01:00 - [185] Quote: didn't you read the warning "game experience may change during gameplay" :) Yes. Does that make it right? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:03:00 - [186] nope it dosn't but as i said in another post here, just live with the game. Most mmpog's have their up and downs in exploits, bugs, and balancing issues. But they all have a tendancy to solve themselfs. just play the game =) -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Karif	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:11:00 - [187] No, it is just Sentry Guns and CONCORD/Security forces are now doing the damage they should be doing. YOU just don't like the outcome. It is that simple. I would know, I've taken on CONCORD and Racial security forces. Was one of the very first things I did in fact once I figured out most of the basics. Oh, I'm sorry, was I not supposed to do that? Was I not supposed to know how they reacted, what kind of damage and how much they put out? Accept my most humble apology for actually know what the security force was capable of doing. I cannot possibly begin to apologize for realizing that this was coming a few weeks ago, given this history of the MMORPG genre. Have a nice day. =============================== Deception + Information + Skill
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:14:00 - [188] Perhaps all security ratings should be put back to zero. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:17:00 - [189] i think that would create more whining instead of stoping it :) -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Kronarty	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:24:00 - [190] 1st of all, all those pk'ers complaining about being killed before they get the control of their ship, should first think about all those times they have killed people right after exiting warp IN THE SAME EXACT WAY. 2nd, I don't really understand what the fuss is about CONCORD attacking the worst criminals in the galaxy in the safest systems possible. Do you expect a north-korean carrier docking in New York?

j0sephine	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:30:00 - [191] Edited by: j0sephine on 16/08/2003 00:31:02 "2nd, I don't really understand what the fuss is about CONCORD attacking the worst criminals in the galaxy in the safest systems possible. Do you expect a north-korean carrier docking in New York?" sighs It's not about the fact they attack, but about how this attack is carried out. Since so many seem to be enamoured in real life analogies, how often does the police kill the criminals without any warning, instead of giving them at least one chance first to give up so they can be arrested?..
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:32:00 - [192] Edited by: Jash Illian on 16/08/2003 00:35:36 Quote: No, it is just Sentry Guns and CONCORD/Security forces are now doing the damage they should be doing. YOU just don't like the outcome. It is that simple. I would know, I've taken on CONCORD and Racial security forces. Was one of the very first things I did in fact once I figured out most of the basics. Oh, I'm sorry, was I not supposed to do that? Was I not supposed to know how they reacted, what kind of damage and how much they put out? Accept my most humble apology for actually know what the security force was capable of doing. I cannot possibly begin to apologize for realizing that this was coming a few weeks ago, given this history of the MMORPG genre. Have a nice day. So you honestly believe that if a player gets a Concord Bship he'll be doing 400hp damage with perfect accuracy and faster lock times than a Vigil? Or the player owned sentry guns will be anywhere near what the sentry guns on gates will be? (<-- That has to be the most used icon on these forums) I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:35:00 - [193] Quote: Perhaps all security ratings should be put back to zero. Shoulda been done when they changed the sec bonus for killing an npc pirate. If agents start becoming more valuable, CCP is stuck with the quandry of how to reward those that earned their standing with the various factions instead of waltz through it while things were fubared. But shoulda, coulda, woulda all ends in "Didn't" as someone once told me. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Deathwing	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:36:00 - [194] Quote: 2nd, I don't really understand what the fuss is about CONCORD attacking the worst criminals in the galaxy in the safest systems possible. I dont know about you, but I dont consider a -2.5 sec status entitles people to be branded to "worst criminals in the galaxy" do you even know what you have to do to get -2.5? you kill one person, ONE PERSON and you get sent to like -2.7 Hers an idea for the traders and miners out here. You know those little pirate npc's that sit at gates in .7 to 0 sec space? Lets jack them up so they can insta lock you, web and jam you from 20k+ and have them insta spawn back to life with twice the numbers when you kill them! Wouldnt that be an idea! How about you ignorant (hate to use the word) Carebears pull your head out of the ground open your tiny little minds and try to look at both sides of the story here for once <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Duncan Barr	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:40:00 - [195] Quote: Quote: to put it this way, if i entered a back alley of a city i wouldn't know if something bad was gonna happen. If a wanted criminal went into a police station things would happen quite fast. i can agree that there should be some decent de-tours tough Then CCP needs to give us realistic ways to go region to region without having to pass through your sacred empire space. 90-100 jumps to go anywhere isn't realistic, that's like 4-5 hours of travelling. I don't have ten hours to go back and forth to different regions.. do you? This is a game afterall. Agree- it also works both way a lot of us noobs are forced to go through 0.4-0.5 systems that contain Moo gate campers. Even then thats the safest route.
Sally	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:40:00 - [196] Quote: How about you ignorant (hate to use the word) Carebears pull your head out of the ground open your tiny little minds and try to look at both sides of the story here for once I can't believe that some has actually asked this . -- Stories: #1 --
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:48:00 - [197] Edited by: Tank CEO on 16/08/2003 00:52:28 Edited by: Tank CEO on 16/08/2003 00:51:42 Concord can kill you in 10 seconds when ur in a battleship, hmm somethings wrong don't ya think. Concord can lock onto u in not even a second, hmm, webifie you from 20km away AND their warp dis goes 50km+ o and about 10 battleships warp in at that. Hmmm somethings wrong, hmmm if a computer cant warp you out faster then a computer locking onto you, then somethings wrong dont u think. Why is it that concord does have the same lock speed as us meaning 7+ seconds. ---
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 00:57:00 - [198] Quote: Quote: Quote: to put it this way, if i entered a back alley of a city i wouldn't know if something bad was gonna happen. If a wanted criminal went into a police station things would happen quite fast. i can agree that there should be some decent de-tours tough Then CCP needs to give us realistic ways to go region to region without having to pass through your sacred empire space. 90-100 jumps to go anywhere isn't realistic, that's like 4-5 hours of travelling. I don't have ten hours to go back and forth to different regions.. do you? This is a game afterall. Agree- it also works both way a lot of us noobs are forced to go through 0.4-0.5 systems that contain Moo gate campers. Even then thats the safest route. m0o isn't and can't be everywhere. I've been in < .5 space since the day I made my character in the 2nd month after release. I've been attacked by pirates twice in those areas. Neither time for anything but loss of shield strength. You're jumping at shadows. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Xelios	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:01:00 - [199] Tank, maybe 1.0 space is simply off limits for someone with a -10.0 sec rating now? I don't buy this "I needed ammo" story for a second, but even if I did why not simply pay someone to get you some? Or take an alt? Or make your own? Or ask your pirate friends if they could make you some? You have the lowest sec rating possible, and you expect to freely travel through the most secure system in the EVE universe? Give me a break, anything you need can be bought in a lower sec system, and anything you need from a 1.0 system you can get using an alt or someone else.
wordy	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:37:00 - [200] Edited by: wordy on 16/08/2003 01:39:21 Quote: Concord can kill you in 10 seconds when ur in a battleship, hmm somethings wrong don't ya think. Concord can lock onto u in not even a second, hmm, webifie you from 20km away AND their warp dis goes 50km+ o and about 10 battleships warp in at that. Hmmm somethings wrong, hmmm if a computer cant warp you out faster then a computer locking onto you, then somethings wrong dont u think. Why is it that concord does have the same lock speed as us meaning 7+ seconds. Concord are using completely different tech lvl equipment to us to you can't really compare performance between player controlled assests and Concord assest. Also as the law enforcement agecny funded by the empires of EVE I would've thought that they would've been able to deploy some serious firepower in large quantities. You are saying that there is a problem when you are disabled before you can make your escape. IMHO there would be more of a problem if Concord allowed you to escape, then you would be free to carry on your murderous ramage and innocent pilots would have been killed, In what is supposed to be secure space. That would mean Concord would've failed to protect plilots in these safe havens. "Hey, I am cool. My mum said so!" - Milhouse Van Houten

Duncan Barr	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:48:00 - [201] Quote: Quote: 2nd, I don't really understand what the fuss is about CONCORD attacking the worst criminals in the galaxy in the safest systems possible. I dont know about you, but I dont consider a -2.5 sec status entitles people to be branded to "worst criminals in the galaxy" do you even know what you have to do to get -2.5? you kill one person, ONE PERSON and you get sent to like -2.7 Hers an idea for the traders and miners out here. You know those little pirate npc's that sit at gates in .7 to 0 sec space? Lets jack them up so they can insta lock you, web and jam you from 20k+ and have them insta spawn back to life with twice the numbers when you kill them! Wouldnt that be an idea! How about you ignorant (hate to use the word) Carebears pull your head out of the ground open your tiny little minds and try to look at both sides of the story here for once LMFAO- I really dont think its the carebears who are failing to see both sides of the story! People are just taking the opportunity to enjoy the unexpected actions to clamp down on exploiters. Hey, if people didnt do it then they wouldnt get punished for it. Theyve made the choice. Difference is people who fall foul of exploiters have no such choice but to sit there watching there piece of **** ships go to the wall.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:49:00 - [202] There is no such thing as 100% secure, its cheat, really I mean sure 1.0 space should heave big frigging police ships, but not cheats like instalock and stuff. They should have to work for it too. -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Amorex	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:54:00 - [203] Quote: Quote: You choose to be a pirate, now pay a price for that choiсe. shut up carebear pirate your comments are irrelevant because you guys still dont' know what you are and plain simply your just another pirate corp trying to deny their ways. Hm..very smart. Now pleas explain to me. 1. Why you called me carebear? 2. Why you called me pirate? 3. If you know more about us that we, hten tell us. 4. Why you called my corp a pirate corp. 5. If you have some evidence of pirating then please show it. If you can't tell me all this, then be nice and keep quaet. And if you not so strong and brave to meet a consiquanses of you way of play, then why you choose it?
Duncan Barr	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:54:00 - [204] Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: to put it this way, if i entered a back alley of a city i wouldn't know if something bad was gonna happen. If a wanted criminal went into a police station things would happen quite fast. i can agree that there should be some decent de-tours tough Then CCP needs to give us realistic ways to go region to region without having to pass through your sacred empire space. 90-100 jumps to go anywhere isn't realistic, that's like 4-5 hours of travelling. I don't have ten hours to go back and forth to different regions.. do you? This is a game afterall. Agree- it also works both way a lot of us noobs are forced to go through 0.4-0.5 systems that contain Moo gate campers. Even then thats the safest route. m0o isn't and can't be everywhere. I've been in < .5 space since the day I made my character in the 2nd month after release. I've been attacked by pirates twice in those areas. Neither time for anything but loss of shield strength. You're jumping at shadows. Maybe Ive just been particularly unlucky as I learn the game, just because it doesnt happen to you often, it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. Personally Ive lost 4 ships to Moo campers in those areas- quite pointless as 2 ships were new empty ships. TBH I dont mind pirates who give me a chance to hand over loot- but when you lose an empty badger II that cost you most of your cash to 5 battleships you do wonder what the point is.
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:55:00 - [205] Edited by: Photon on 16/08/2003 01:55:23 I wish they implented imprisonment If some guy tried to enter 1.0 space the police (concord) would web him, warp scramble him, and target disrupt him for all their worth. Then instead of killing the battleship I.E they would tow it to a station where some1 had to pay bail or something to get him out hehe edit: of course i mean some1 with a low sec rating. Im thinking of less than -0.5 -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:56:00 - [206] Quote: I wish they implented imprisonment If some guy tried to enter 1.0 space the police (concord) would web him, warp scramble him, and target disrupt him for all their worth. Then instead of killing the battleship I.E they would tow it to a station where some1 had to pay bail or something to get him out hehe So you'd deny a paying customer the priviledge of playing the game they pay for because they play the game as intended? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Duncan Barr	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:57:00 - [207] Quote: There is no such thing as 100% secure, its cheat, really I mean sure 1.0 space should heave big frigging police ships, but not cheats like instalock and stuff. They should have to work for it too. What would be cool would be the chance to apply and actually have human chars as police- not sure how it could be implemented, but the possiblities are fun. Good cops gone bad in 1.0 space............
Luc Boye	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:57:00 - [208] Ok, so lets assume that all this people are right, "you chose path ... blah blah" Now let devs implement concord-strength guristas to take revenge for all those farmed NPC's, so next time you jump into 0.0 you get insta locked and nullified no matter what frigging ship you have. That would be equal. But you may think that would suck? Well surprise. -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:58:00 - [209] oh please gimme a break. Only thing im saying is destroying ships day in and day out for concord is a bad thing, or so it seems from your posts. So why not do it this way, put some roleplaying into the game. dosn't have to be bail either, maybe just lock their ship there for 30 mins while they have to use a rental (ibis :P) just and idea don't flame me for bringing out ideas -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Duncan Barr	Posted - 2003.08.16 01:59:00 - [210] Quote: Quote: I wish they implented imprisonment If some guy tried to enter 1.0 space the police (concord) would web him, warp scramble him, and target disrupt him for all their worth. Then instead of killing the battleship I.E they would tow it to a station where some1 had to pay bail or something to get him out hehe So you'd deny a paying customer the priviledge of playing the game they pay for because they play the game as intended? Surely paying bail is better than losing a multimillion ISK ship in seconds?

Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 02:00:00 - [211] Quote: Ok, so lets assume that all this people are right, "you chose path ... blah blah" Now let devs implement concord-strength guristas to take revenge for all those farmed NPC's, so next time you jump into 0.0 you get insta locked and nullified no matter what frigging ship you have. That would be equal. But you may think that would suck? Well surprise. well surprise pirates are criminals, they are criminals bcs they like living on the edge.. that's why they get blown up when trying to enter completly secure civilized space -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2003.08.16 02:03:00 - [212] yeah but you are criminals to guristas, no? -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 02:06:00 - [213] well are guristas organized? no, they're scattered all over, and that's why we search to find them -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Guardian334	Posted - 2003.08.16 02:51:00 - [214] Quote: Look. Calling Tank and other pirates names isn't refuting a single point of their argument. If you believe Tank is immature, why are you wasting so much energy to bring yourself down to his perceived maturity level? A scant few of you actually attempt to refute the arguments present by those other than Tank. But most of you haven't proven you have any argument beyond childish "Nyaah, Nyaaah! You got busted!" I left in Elementary School. That's really funny, considering Pirates' entire argument for why non-pirates should suck it up is "because you're carebears and deserve it". BTW, the best posts above are the "awwww, need a carebear to cry on" and the one about "big flashing letters that spell out SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP". Please keep crying Pirates, this is making my week.
zurk	Posted - 2003.08.16 03:03:00 - [215] Quote: Quote: Quote: Edited by: Tank CEO on 15/08/2003 04:07:37 Anyone else lose their battleship, cruiser to uber concord? I just lost mine, I traveled to Amarr because I needed ammo, I got their safely but on the way back i jumped to to Yulia, 1 millisecond after i got outa "Entering Space" I was being attacked by concord, isnt their a 5 second invulnerabilty time that you get cause i sure as hell didnt get it. Welp looks like ccp is going to be replacing me ship AGAIN. I mean the cops got on to me faster then auto-pilot could warp me, thats just heh, way to go ccp! Welkome to the party Tank , one of my friends got podded 1/2 sec after Entering space by a M3G4 corp member last week. What was he flying? A pod? I took 3 salvos from a bship armed with tachyons at range. When I finally warped I had arout 30% armor ant 50% structure left. And that's a cruiser. We're not talking about a reaper vs a megathron here. Thats not the point , the point is there is somthing wrong with the invulnerabilty time. But what I think is funny is that members of his own corp have used this to kill with no good reason in 1.0 space. But now that things are turned around they are all upset.
Rual Storge	Posted - 2003.08.16 03:05:00 - [216] CCP said that - secs were not expected to travel through empire space that was secure. If you've killed so many people and have become famous as a villian, you wouldn't be able to walk through a police head quarters. Same deal here. You are a pirate, You live on the out skirts and must avoid CONCORD, You got a problem with it, You need to check your perfession. Like UO. a "murder" gets nailed whenever he goes in a secure area, so he must avoid them. and take the road less taken. Coarse UO was preatty lame after Devs ruined it... Rual Storge, Battlestars, CEO
Stryker	Posted - 2003.08.16 03:06:00 - [217] Tank, your situation sucked, didn't know about that insta lock thing... BTW, some systems have condor sitting at almost every point of interest, including the place you warp into. Hope you rats got a sense of humor for the next paragraph: Long ago, I got insta killed by some pirates at a gate in my Merlin, (I just couldn't load all of them fast enough), I didn't get a chance to even warp away, just warped in, and boom, I was gone. On the forums, they said that there is a good chance I had a bp, or skills in the hold. Maybe CONDOR thought you had a bp or some skills in your bship hold, (have you gotten your hands on the OG Miner II BP?). All joking aside, I think the reason this kind of ridiculous response came was because there were pirates sitting in 1.0 systems taking on newer players. This is the kind of thing that would make someone leave the game, log in for the first time, go to get some ore, and your ship gets blown up...Loosing customers is bad for CCP, and the easiest customers to loose are the ones that have yet to make a serious investment. I think CCP is just trying to figure out a way to make sure people who start to invest in the game get hooked.In order to do this, they had to make sure the person didn't instantly leave because they got blown up, so in order to make the code simpler, they just took it on themselves to gank anyone with low security rating in high secure space. It absolutely sucks to loose a ship you worked hard to get. It is a decision point, do you stay in the game, or have you had enough of all the bs? This applies to loosing a ship to a pirate because you were travelling afk (My first Moa), loosing a ship to a CTD (my second Moa), or loosing a ship to a change in the game mechanics (Your Bship). To be upset is understandable, get up, go outside, walk around, see that its just a game. Then make your decision. Final Point, CCP should have an experienced pirate corp in their next meeting (what the hell are they called, CSM or some such nonesense), I think pirating is an absolutely acceptable aspect of the game. They need someone who enjoys pirating to be there and someone who doesn't. This will allow them to make a better game. Final Point, this game feels like I am paying for a beta, helping CCP build a better game. I'll simply stop eating out so much, $13 ain't so bad. Final Point, So, I'm a compulsive liar, what you gonna do about it. Final Point, I'm feeling kinda lonely, if anyone has any responses to this (including flames), simply eve-mail my real character Stryker.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 03:13:00 - [218] Duncan Barr and Photon: You are both missing the point behind what I wrote. I intentionally used the term "Paying Customer" instead of "Pirate" to remind you that they are paying customers. And you cannot arbitrarily (sic?) deny them the ability to play the game simply for doing what the game allows. People cross the line too often with their pirate 'solutions', forgetting that the 'pirate' is a customer too. It's rampant through this thread. Look at all the people that think this is a fair way to treat paying customers: giving them absolutely no chance whatsoever even to escape getting destroyed. When they themselves always had options besides "Avoid m0o blockades". I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 03:15:00 - [219] Quote: CCP said that - secs were not expected to travel through empire space that was secure. If you've killed so many people and have become famous as a villian, you wouldn't be able to walk through a police head quarters. Same deal here. You are a pirate, You live on the out skirts and must avoid CONCORD, You got a problem with it, You need to check your perfession. Like UO. a "murder" gets nailed whenever he goes in a secure area, so he must avoid them. and take the road less taken. Coarse UO was preatty lame after Devs ruined it... I don't remember the 'road less taken' tacking on 5 hours of travel time in UO. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 03:16:00 - [220] ive been quite fair in my posts, but i think a paying costumer as your put it that chooses the pirate lifestile has to put some roleplaying into it, there is no way he can traverse in 1.0 sec systems, and I've always been against the instakilling.. -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.

Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 03:25:00 - [221] Quote: Thats not the point , the point is there is somthing wrong with the invulnerabilty time. But what I think is funny is that members of his own corp have used this to kill with no good reason in 1.0 space. But now that things are turned around they are all upset. 1st, answer the question: what was he flying? A pod? 2nd, Concord is not your personal revenge machine It is a mechanic that was designed to protect newer players from rampant killing. Yet most of you giggle like a little schoolgirl everytime Concord makes a kill because you can't do it yourself. That's wrong, given the idea that Eve is supposed to be a Player Driven universe. Concord should never be your personal killing machine, smacking down those you can't kill. If you can't kill them, you're supposed to grow stronger till you can kill them if you want them dead. And yes, until someone provides evidence that people are bypassing the invulnerability timers I find you and your story of your friend's destruction to be a fallacy. Or at least, exaggerated. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 03:26:00 - [222] how do u know tanks story aint just that then? -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.16 03:27:00 - [223] Edited by: Tank CEO on 16/08/2003 03:28:15 Quote: That's really funny, considering Pirates' entire argument for why non-pirates should suck it up is "because you're carebears and deserve it". BTW, the best posts above are the "awwww, need a carebear to cry on" and the one about "big flashing letters that spell out SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP". Please keep crying Pirates, this is making my week. I bet it makes ur week because we hardly complain while u carebears complain every day every hour on the hour. See, you carebears love it when we complain, it makes you feel beter because u people complain not even complain, whine all the time. We complain, not whine, we have a valid point when we complain. You dont have a right to point out when we complain and call us whiners. We rarely do it. We on the other hand do have a right to call u carebears whiners because like i said u complain 24/7. And no, most of the time u carebears dont have a valid point when u complain. ---
Deathwing	Posted - 2003.08.16 03:28:00 - [224] Why does everyone here think you have to be some uber pirate mass killer to be hunted down by concord in empire space? -2.5 sets them off If you are at 0 sec and you kill just one person, that puts you at about -2.7 So i assume now anyone that got the neg sec from busting up an ore thief are now mass killers and uber pirates that should not be allowed back in empire space? <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Xelios	Posted - 2003.08.16 03:35:00 - [225] Tank, maybe that's because there are what? 300 serious pirates in the game? vs about 10,000 people you would call 'carebears'. Which group would have more complaints on the forum? Pirates complain as much as anyone else, it's just that there are less of them. I can't count the number of times I've seen posts from pirates about how CCP is killing pirating, how people keep MWD'ing through blockades, how people are using bookmarks to get through now, how CCP is always concerned about the carebears, how you can't kill noobies in 1.0 systems because it's an exploit, how you can't go into 1.0 systems to get ammo that you could easily get in any other system... should I go on? Now tell me, how is this any different from most of the stuff the 'carebears' complain about?
Rual Storge	Posted - 2003.08.16 03:39:00 - [226] Post so much longer then it should be and is nothing more then the same old flame. Everytime you post to flame, an angel drowns in it's own vomit. Can this thread die already? Rual Storge, Battlestars, CEO
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 04:02:00 - [227] Quote: Tank, maybe that's because there are what? 300 serious pirates in the game? vs about 10,000 people you would call 'carebears'. Which group would have more complaints on the forum? Pirates complain as much as anyone else, it's just that there are less of them. I can't count the number of times I've seen posts from pirates about how CCP is killing pirating, how people keep MWD'ing through blockades, how people are using bookmarks to get through now, how CCP is always concerned about the carebears, how you can't kill noobies in 1.0 systems because it's an exploit, how you can't go into 1.0 systems to get ammo that you could easily get in any other system... should I go on? Now tell me, how is this any different from most of the stuff the 'carebears' complain about? The fact that the pirates are mostly 'whining' for reasonable things. What's reasonable about getting instantly killed by a game mechanic to a player? What was reasonable about the complaints that went on about Mara/Passari when both are low sec space? What is reasonable about demanding that pirate players be shoved out of empire space when the only thing availible to do outside Empire space is mine and fight over the rights to mine? The MWD change was actually reasonable. It didn't just apply to piracy. Given the fact that gates, station and roid belts are the only places capable of suprprising an enemy the MWD negated 1/3rd of the viable locations for piracy and traps for corp war. What's unreasonable about demanding that players taking far less risk than everyone receive the appropriate rewards for less risk? I risk my ships and my modules for bounties and more modules. While a trader risks boredom and can vastly outprofit me? And speaking for myself, given the behavior shown by many of the 10,000 people you refer to supporting the pirates' demands is far more palatable than supporting people like that. I'd rather side with a true griefer out to ruin someone's fun in a game than someone that can wish death on my family members in the name of morality (happened when I was a pirate during beta). I'd rather side with a real griefer than someone that out of the blue attacks me as many of the people on these forums have, simply because those attacks are their strongest argument. So many of those '10,000 people' earn the insult 'carebear' simply through their acts. If they're so moral, since when is stooping to the perceived level of those you hate acceptable? [/end speech & further replies on this thread] I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 04:05:00 - [228] can't ccp please ban the word carebear from this forum -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
zurk	Posted - 2003.08.16 04:08:00 - [229] Quote: 1st, answer the question: what was he flying? A pod? 2nd, Concord is not your personal revenge machine It is a mechanic that was designed to protect newer players from rampant killing. Yet most of you giggle like a little schoolgirl everytime Concord makes a kill because you can't do it yourself. That's wrong, given the idea that Eve is supposed to be a Player Driven universe. Concord should never be your personal killing machine, smacking down those you can't kill. If you can't kill them, you're supposed to grow stronger till you can kill them if you want them dead. And yes, until someone provides evidence that people are bypassing the invulnerability timers I find you and your story of your friend's destruction to be a fallacy. Or at least, exaggerated. What ever. I'm making it all up. No point in arguing with you about the fact that the invulnerability time is not working as it is supposed to or the fact that most of the players in "high securety" space do not fly a battleship and need the protection from Concord because they are not as uber as some players. moving on
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 04:21:00 - [230] Quote: Quote: 1st, answer the question: what was he flying? A pod? 2nd, Concord is not your personal revenge machine It is a mechanic that was designed to protect newer players from rampant killing. Yet most of you giggle like a little schoolgirl everytime Concord makes a kill because you can't do it yourself. That's wrong, given the idea that Eve is supposed to be a Player Driven universe. Concord should never be your personal killing machine, smacking down those you can't kill. If you can't kill them, you're supposed to grow stronger till you can kill them if you want them dead. And yes, until someone provides evidence that people are bypassing the invulnerability timers I find you and your story of your friend's destruction to be a fallacy. Or at least, exaggerated. What ever. I'm making it all up. No point in arguing with you about the fact that the invulnerability time is not working as it is supposed to or the fact that most of the players in "high securety" space do not fly a battleship and need the protection from Concord because they are not as uber as some players. moving on Bah...I hate it when people make me lie. If you wanted protection, you'd demand weapons be disabled in 1.0 space. You want CCP Approved and Distributed Vengance. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante

Xelios	Posted - 2003.08.16 04:25:00 - [231] Jash, I ask you, what is reasonable about concord NOT killing a -10.0 pirate in 1.0 space on sight? These guys worked hard to be the most hated people on CONCORD's hitlist, and now they're whining that CONCORD can actually kill them? Give me a break, I think Tank and the ones who lost their ships today should get them back, but after that they know the consequences of entering 1.0 space, and if they lose their ship again then tough luck. How many people lost their ships to gate campers near release because they couldn't even load the gate environment before they were shot down? Do you think they all got their ships back? Pirates need to be made accountable for their actions, there's no way they should be able to fly through the most secure areas in the EVE galaxy with the lowest possible security rating. What was reasonable about the complaints that went on about Mara/Passari when both are low sec space? Because both were vital chokepoints, you control one of them and you basically barred access to half an empire region. What is reasonable about demanding that pirate players be shoved out of empire space when the only thing availible to do outside Empire space is mine and fight over the rights to mine? What is there to do in empire space? Trade, that's about it. Mine and trade. You can't kill cruiser pirates in empire space (for the most part), you can't hunt pirate battleships in empire space (when they come out), you can't have pvp in empire space, so I ask you what is so bad about non-empire space? Really, all the fun things happen there, unless you like ferrying electronic parts around for hours. What's unreasonable about demanding that players taking far less risk than everyone receive the appropriate rewards for less risk? I risk my ships and my modules for bounties and more modules. While a trader risks boredom and can vastly outprofit me? Then why are the successful pirate corps also some of the most well equipped corps in EVE? What is the trader going to do with all his cash? Buy a battleship and outfit it with the best equipment? So what? You already have a battleship with the best equipment, and now you have a chance to take his as well. And just FYI, you can make plenty mining bistot and you can do it whenever you want, traders have to fly around for hours and find routes. I agree trading is too easy atm, but really, what's so hard about sitting at a gate with 3-4 battleships and shooting down indys and cruisers? Sure someone might eventually come along and kick you out, big deal, you log for an hour, come back and do it again. I'd rather side with a real griefer than someone that out of the blue attacks me as many of the people on these forums have, simply because those attacks are their strongest argument. And yes, ironically, these griefers attack other players as well. Ask Stavros how many times he's called someone a carebear. Just a few minutes ago I saw a reply he made simply saying "gratz on your LAME idea". And how about Molly's 'omg you stupid carebear' attacks? How many personal attacks on RUS, Fountain Alliance or other organizations have pirates made? Please, pirates are just as lippy as anyone else on these boards, and in some cases even more so. Like I said in another thread, pirates are being nerfed too much lately, and I really hope CCP at the very least removes the sentries from 0.3 and under systems, but lets drop the 'holyer than thou' facade shall we? Enough of this 'I'm a l33t pirate and you're a bunch of whiny carebears' crap. It may be hard to believe, but not everyone plays EVE for the soul purpose of ruining another player's game and CCP would never have gotten this far if they'd let the rampant pirating that took place in early release go unchecked.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 04:54:00 - [232] Edited by: Jash Illian on 16/08/2003 04:56:34 Xelios, this topic is getting old and this will be the last time I post here 1) It's not just people with a -10.0 sec rating getting Concord beatings and you know it. 2) Mara/Passari are still low security space. Vital access points, empire space and all the other excuses do not change the fact they are closer to 0.0 than 1.0. 3) No matter how you try to downplay empire space, it's still more than outside of it. Mine more, kill more. Even 'just trade' is more than outside Empire space. 4) If gate camping is so easy why is it that so many of you fail when you attempt to do it against the pirates? 5) "Carebear" doesn't come anywhere close to the crap I had to put up with when I played a pirate. 30-50 messages per day with nothing more than to tell me "Die", most from people I'd never met and pulled me from the bounty list. No jokes about the death wishes and harm to family members. And the most depressing thing about it all (and mostly why I'm not a pirate currently) is that legally I could not only have had many prosecuted for Terroristic Threats if they did it to my face...But a choice few, I prolly could have legally shot. Now, for the last time, I'm not a pirate. And the people who support this change (which isn't you according to your words) back it with nothing more than childish insults and jeering (which is the majority of it). While I say this implementation sucks because it not only completely deprives a customer of any chance but also affects everyone below the "I'm a l33t pirate" level (Concord doesn't discern between mistakes, relative experience or actual level of threat. It just kills), I don't have a single problem with my attitude. This is plain and simle immature vengance. If anyone, CCP included, trully didn't want pirates in 1.0 space how hard would it have been to have the stargates leading in deny access? No need to worry about splash damage getting a new player killed with that solution. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
cball	Posted - 2003.08.16 05:01:00 - [233] Go whine to mommy Tank. Jeeez, you exploit the bugs in the game against the eula, and whine like a little baby when the game won't let you cheat. You laughed when you were griefing by cheating, now suck it up, and except that you can't cheat anymore. Better yet, quit the game! ...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.16 05:37:00 - [234] 2 Gm's said i wasnt exploiting and I wasnt cheating so find another way to be a *******. ---
Darth Vodka	Posted - 2003.08.16 05:39:00 - [235] I think it was a strategic error on the part of Tank. Immediately after the patch, where the patch notes do state that the amount of damage that concord dish out was increased, plus this patch changed combat related items, plus CCP were under pressure to fix that bug that allowed people like Tank to kill without any concord response in 1.0 systems. It was obvious they were going to uber-up concord And what does Tank do? on the same day the patch is released and he's unbanned from game, he decides to take a joy ride through high-security space. No i don't buy the 'buying ammo' story either. It always sucks to lose a ship, when not even having the chance to respond, it happened to me in beta, but ffs why take your kitted out expensive battleship into 1.0 space when u have a -10 security rating. You could have fun killing the newbs in an easy to replace cruiser or even a frigate Like using a mountain to crush a grape As i've heard mentioned on these forums many times, never take risks with equipment you've worked hard for, if you can't afford to replace the items. Been happening since beta, a good number of people have lost ships with this sort of thing. Still loading up on the sub-space frequency, hear a bit of firing going on, by the time you get control of the UI, you are already in a pod. It can happen, it's an online game, sometimes lag can strike at the most unfortunate moments, but i can't see ships being replaced, due to exploit potential
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 05:44:00 - [236] gm's are some sugarcats... -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
cball	Posted - 2003.08.16 05:46:00 - [237] Edited by: cball on 16/08/2003 05:48:38 Quote: 2 Gm's said i wasnt exploiting and I wasnt cheating so find another way to be a *******. The GM's are incredibly ignorant in many ways but not stupid, and you can lie about anything you want, but you used an exploit/bug to ruin the game for many. Now you whine...... ...just shut up, go cry to mommy, and grow up you baby. Can someone give Tank his baby bottle please, so he will stop crying??? ...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 05:52:00 - [238] i think his baby bottle got destroyed by concord :p -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.16 05:52:00 - [239] Lol you carebears are soo funny, you know this forum is the only place where you can actually personally attack some one because you sure as hell can't do it in game. I don't care what you say about me nor do I care what you think of me. I got 2 Gm's saying I didn't exploit so stop with your bull**** and stop using a excuse for urself that I exploited. Shut up, go over to that asteriod and mine some more cause thats all you know how to do. ---
cball	Posted - 2003.08.16 05:54:00 - [240] go away, don't go away mad, just go away... get mad, whine and lie, but just go away, quit the game. ...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...

Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.16 05:54:00 - [241] You know, I just look at the bright side, all of you flamming I just think about the day Empire trading and mining gets nerfed. You will soon be force to leave empire space to make a descent amount of money and guess what, Ill be there waiting. ---
Xelios	Posted - 2003.08.16 05:55:00 - [242] Xelios, this topic is getting old and this will be the last time I post here Excuse me if that doesn't stop me from posting a reply. 1) It's not just people with a -10.0 sec rating getting Concord beatings and you know it. Yes sorry, some people with -9.8 are getting beat too. Seriously, how many pirates with, say, -5.0 have been pounced by 4 concord battleships and destroyed before their environment has loaded? 2) Mara/Passari are still low security space. Vital access points, empire space and all the other excuses do not change the fact they are closer to 0.0 than 1.0. If CCP pulls a Crielere and changes them to 1.0 you'll just complain about that so I fail to see how upping the security of the system will solve anything. 3) No matter how you try to downplay empire space, it's still more than outside of it. Mine more, kill more. Even 'just trade' is more than outside Empire space. Why? Because you said so? I spend 80% of my time in non-empire space, and I'm not a pirate of any kind. I have no wish to sit in a 1.0 belt and mine veldspar for 6 hours, the real fun is out here in unregulated space. 4) If gate camping is so easy why is it that so many of you fail when you attempt to do it against the pirates? Simple, when you camp pirates you are often camping 1 or 2 people, ONLY. On top of this, those 1 or 2 people live and breathe pvp, they know what a gate camp looks like, and they know how to warp out of one. Switch the roles here and you have experienced pvpers hunting people in indys or cruisers who don't even realize that 3 battleships sitting at a gate spells trouble. It's too bad it's getting harder now, but maybe it was a little too easy before? Pirates are so used to the easy kills they got in early release that they scream bloody murder now that it's starting to take more than just sitting a at a gate and blasting anything that comes by. 5) "Carebear" doesn't come anywhere close to the crap I had to put up with when I played a pirate. 30-50 messages per day with nothing more than to tell me "Die", most from people I'd never met and pulled me from the bounty list. lol, wth did you expect? You destroy people's hard earned ships with no thought of the work they have put into what they fly. What kind of messages did you expect? "Hey thanks for blowing up my cruiser, it only took 2 weeks of mining and pirate hunting to outfit it and thanks to you I've finally been rid of the burden. You're my hero!" No jokes about the death wishes and harm to family members. And the most depressing thing about it all (and mostly why I'm not a pirate currently) is that legally I could not only have had many prosecuted for Terroristic Threats if they did it to my face...But a choice few, I prolly could have legally shot. Unfortunatly some people forget this is a game, but don't fool yourself into generalizing this kind of behaviour with the 'carebear' group. The select few who resort to threatening you IRL are the select few who take this game too far, and you have no right to slap the profile of this 1% of people onto the entire non pirate group. This is plain and simle immature vengance. If anyone, CCP included, trully didn't want pirates in 1.0 space how hard would it have been to have the stargates leading in deny access? That all depends on how the code works. It could be incredibly easy, or it could be incredibly difficult. BTW I realize you're not a pirate Jash, feel free to replace 'you' with 'pirates' in my post, I was simply referring to 'you' because you seem to try and represent the pirates.
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.16 05:56:00 - [243] You guys are like Concords children. You won't be able to survive outa their reach. You will soon be nerfed. Thanks. I can't wait, I think i'll call it Armageddon for the carebears. ---
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 05:59:00 - [244] Quote: You guys are like Concords children. You won't be able to survive outa their reach. You will soon be nerfed. Thanks. I can't wait, I think i'll call it Armageddon for the carebears. how many gm's did you have to sleep with so you didn't get banned? -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
cball	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:00:00 - [245] see me shake, look, i am shaking, oh boy look at me shake... ya, Tank must be a little kid. cheat, lie, make excuses, and when he can't have his way, threaten to get even...(his mommy must be so proud...) ...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:03:00 - [246] ahahah too funny, so cball, how do you know im lieing or not? How do you actually know that I was exploiting? I got a image of 50 cops warping in on me in 1.0 space. I got the logs of 2 GM's saying i didnt exploit. Your personal attacks are pathetic and im dun arguing, you are a little immature kid there buddy. ---
cball	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:05:00 - [247] my point has been proven now, you resort to the childish taunt of reflecting the insult "i know you are, what am I...?". Thenthe lame atempt at acting mature at the end, oh thats a classic ...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:06:00 - [248] Edited by: Photon on 16/08/2003 06:06:17 so all the players saying they got killed by you in a 1.0 system are what, lying? each and every one? some conspiracy u got there -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Xelios	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:11:00 - [249] Tank, I have one question. Why did you ignore the dev's warning that CONCORD would get much meaner in this patch, and that the pirates in 1.0 space would get what's coming to them? Didn't that set off some sort of alarm in your head, like maybe not going in there with your battleship right after the patch? How is what happened to you any different from what happens to people on autopilot who hit a blockade? They either ignore the warnings or don't care to look for them, and in the end they pay for it. Do they get their ships back too?
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:12:00 - [250] O so just cause everyone says something means its true? wow you are dumb, just like how alot of people say that the old tank sold his account on ebay and im the new tank that bought the account. ROFL That is just too funny, I have the proof, everyone says I lie and it means its true right rofl, lol lol im done with this lol ahahaha ---

Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:13:00 - [251] Polaris close this topic its full of carebear flamers, they use these forums to attack people because they cant attack in-game so they resort to this. ---
Xelios	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:14:00 - [252] That's funny, considering you just called at least a couple people dumb in your last post. Seems the 'carebears' are not the only ones flaming here.
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:15:00 - [253] what an immature child... you are calling us carebear and flamer? take a look at your own posts smartypants -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:15:00 - [254] Edited by: Tank CEO on 16/08/2003 06:16:13 Well thats what you are, im just speaking the truth here. By your previous post you can now be considered a person suffering from the DA syndrome, Dumbass Syndrome. ---
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:17:00 - [255] Edited by: Tank CEO on 16/08/2003 06:18:31 Its a endless argument with you people, ur ignorant and thats all there is to it. Im done arguing and this will most likely be my last post. And my posts hardly contain any flames, the only reason why I am flaming now because I see over 100 posts flaming on us pirates or even worse me. ---
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:18:00 - [256] yea right.. i guess your lack in social skills in real life makes you wanna sit in the game and own people then? because it is quite clear, you are not capeable of running any kind of discussion without resorting to individual attacks... go back to your game, and keep killing newbies.. that's what you're good at right? human contact is just... not up your alley -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Tank CEO	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:19:00 - [257] Ahaha now you turn to insulting my real life that you don't even know about, wow you make a fool of yourself every post you make. ---
Xelios	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:19:00 - [258] No doubt this will be locked the next time a mod looks at it, till then I'm saving the thread to my HD so I can look at it again and again whenever I need a laugh. The irony here is just priceless. "wow you are dumb," " you are a little immature kid there buddy." and then... "Polaris close this topic its full of carebear flamers, they use these forums to attack people because they cant attack in-game so they resort to this." Priceless.
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:23:00 - [259] i think i can analyse your behavior very fine from your postings, they have a tendancy to reflect the person actually posting them... -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Xelios	Posted - 2003.08.16 06:23:00 - [260] Tank.

Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 07:11:00 - [261] Insomnia sucks: Quote: Yes sorry, some people with -9.8 are getting beat too. Seriously, how many pirates with, say, -5.0 have been pounced by 4 concord battleships and destroyed before their environment has loaded? 2 words: Splash Damage. The same Concord that kills bships also punish the same newbies people value so highly for mistakes anyone could make while learning the game. Quote: If CCP pulls a Crielere and changes them to 1.0 you'll just complain about that so I fail to see how upping the security of the system will solve anything. Don't remember hearing a single peep about Crielere's change. Quote: Why? Because you said so? I spend 80% of my time in non-empire space, and I'm not a pirate of any kind. I have no wish to sit in a 1.0 belt and mine veldspar for 6 hours, the real fun is out here in unregulated space. Doing what? Scale doesn't change mining or pirate killing. Quote: Simple, when you camp pirates you are often camping 1 or 2 people, ONLY. On top of this, those 1 or 2 people live and breathe pvp, they know what a gate camp looks like, and they know how to warp out of one. What are they doing someplace where they don't know how to recognize the dangers? Amarr/Yulai were exceptions not the norm. Quote: lol, wth did you expect? You destroy people's hard earned ships with no thought of the work they have put into what they fly. What kind of messages did you expect? "Hey thanks for blowing up my cruiser, it only took 2 weeks of mining and pirate hunting to outfit it and thanks to you I've finally been rid of the burden. You're my hero!" What part did you miss about "people I'd never met"? What part of out of character attacks did you not understand? Quote: Unfortunatly some people forget this is a game, but don't fool yourself into generalizing this kind of behaviour with the 'carebear' group. The select few who resort to threatening you IRL are the select few who take this game too far, and you have no right to slap the profile of this 1% of people onto the entire non pirate group. The label fits more people than you think. "Pirates are nothing more than griefers" How do they know why the person beyond the pixels is doing something? But it's enough to attack their motives as a person simply because they're a pirate. That's not that far a step and I don't differentiate between different grades of jackasses. And for those that would take that extra step...Well I'd have welcomed them to try. Quote: That all depends on how the code works. It could be incredibly easy, or it could be incredibly difficult. Very poor excuse. You're implying it'd be more difficult to check a person's sec rating when attempting to use the jump command than locking them out for participating in combat not even in the presence of the stargate. All through this thread, I see more attacks on pirate player's behavior than I see any real attempt to refute what they say. Your empty room pic doesn't change what's being said. It just allows you to ignore it easier. People think it's fitting for the pirates to get a raw deal simply because they got one the first time? I was always taught that's a sign of immaturity too. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Riddari	Posted - 2003.08.16 11:27:00 - [262] When they introduced HIGHWAY GATES they SAID that they WOULD BECOME RESTRICTED! Anyone not remember it? You needed GOOD STANDINGS to be able to use them! That's why pirates will now have to take the detour because frankly the highway is closed as was advertised! ¼©¼ a history
Aelita	Posted - 2003.08.16 11:35:00 - [263] Hehe finally! I have zero tolerance to PKers. PvP is good until someone doesn't touch rescue capsule. Only these people can be called pirates. Actually in game is no security hit for destroying rescue capsule in 0.0. Only people who are stupid enough to use exploits like -10 security status or get bellow -5 by smashing people just for fun are penalized. CCP finally make decision. Why you Tank asking for rules? You did play without rules and now you whine about rules? My personal opinion is all people with -5.0 sec and bellow should be instant killed by gates if they does enter them and gate is 0.4 sec and above. Simple as can be you pick own way to play EVE so live with it or leave.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.08.16 11:39:00 - [264] "Yeah, concord/sentries are overkill atm, neg sec people cant travel through empire space at all. You get no reaction time, just die while the screen loads" Good, that's the way it should be for scum like you. "Trust No One"
Vegeta	Posted - 2003.08.16 11:44:00 - [265] Rofl Xelios Tank lost yet another ship HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA 2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.16 11:49:00 - [266] [ooc] 12 pages of flaming, whining, arguments, and retort...because Tank, a known criminal, was killed by cops? [/ooc] I'm GLAD CONCORD insta-lock. I'm GLAD CONCORD ganked you. You're a criminal and, because of the purposeful dynamics of CONCORD and their new code of conduct towards known criminals, you paid the price for entering high security space. The price was your ship and your equipment. Perhaps many a civilian has spent that day living freely without fear of attack and conquest from the pirate hordes. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
colla tidet	Posted - 2003.08.16 11:59:00 - [267] Cause & Effect = a basic law. "Perh4P5 M4Ny a CiViL14n h4$ 5pEN+ tH4t d@Y lIv1ng Phr3ELY W1+hoUt F34r OpH 4++4CK 4ND cOnKWE$t PhrOM +3h p1r4T3 hORDe$" Joshua Calvert. "Let us have faith that right makes right, and in that faith let us to the end dare to do our duty as we understand it."
Alexia Te'Len	Posted - 2003.08.16 12:09:00 - [268] Quote: "Perh4P5 M4Ny a CiViL14n h4$ 5pEN+ tH4t d@Y lIv1ng Phr3ELY W1+hoUt F34r OpH 4++4CK 4ND cOnKWE$t PhrOM +3h p1r4T3 hORDe$" Slap Speak English you fool! 1337 is not a good way to express an opinion.
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 13:59:00 - [269] i don't even want to try and understand it, it's so silly (1337 that is). and jash you keep replying all the time, 3 last posts you've had now :) -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
wordy	Posted - 2003.08.16 14:09:00 - [270] Edited by: wordy on 16/08/2003 14:09:28 Rofl Vegeta, that has got to be THE best sig I've seen on here "Hey, I am cool. My mum said so!" - Milhouse Van Houten

Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 14:21:00 - [271] Quote: i don't even want to try and understand it, it's so silly (1337 that is). and jash you keep replying all the time, 3 last posts you've had now :) Can't find a stronger argument than that, Photon? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 14:36:00 - [272] do you want me to make one? i just tought this thread was so long i didn't want to make further discussion, but if you really want me to I'm sure i can cook up something -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 14:41:00 - [273] Quote: do you want me to make one? i just tought this thread was so long i didn't want to make further discussion, but if you really want me to I'm sure i can cook up something Yes, I want you to make one. Eve is supposed to be a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. The "Massively Multiplayer" part means nobody ingame short of a GM deserves to run around with God Mode on. I've got no problems admitting that. But you seem to have a problem admitting that the "Game" part means nobody deserves to have impossible to defeat/escape game mechanics shoved on them for the juvenile satisfaction of a bunch of people whose strongest argument is purile jeering. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Photon	Posted - 2003.08.16 14:45:00 - [274] think I've said this what 3 times now, I AGREE to the fact that concord got uber good, but I also think that there is no way -5 to -10 pirates can enter space like 1.0.... That they get killed at once i do not support, but the fact that they're not let in that I do support... Would be better to target jam and webify them, so the only way out would be to warp away from the stargate leading to that 1.0 system... -------------------------------------------- My passion is to fly, nothing beats it, nothing can compare to it. Free as a bird. Bird of prey.
Kane Jacobs	Posted - 2003.08.16 14:53:00 - [275] had to buy ammo..... Yeah right...I dont believe that for one second. The courier thingy Bad H mentioned most likely is beeing used all the time... He was there for another reason all together.. Concord just got a new fan ! Die hard! _______________________________________________
colla tidet	Posted - 2003.08.16 15:00:00 - [276] Once AGAIN i AM amazed at the human CAPACITY for understanding (photon, alexi te'len)... check the last sentence in Joshua Calvert's post, and then check my post again. Then notice the " " around the leet speek. I was not trying to get a point accross i was translating to a language the pirate of this post might understand. Before using matches u should understand the nature of flame. Another thing, about the remark of me being a fool, I believe u should be AWARE that I am not. "Let us have faith that right makes right, and in that faith let us to the end dare to do our duty as we understand it."
CreepyLonghair	Posted - 2003.08.16 15:01:00 - [277] Simple fact is Tank you've probably cost CCP a considerable amount of cash by your previous immature behaviour in 1.0 space. God knows how many of the players that thought they were safe in 1.0 have cancelled accounts after your short lived killing spree there., did you seriously think CCP would be fair to you and your type after the loss you've caused them? It's simple business practice to eliminate costs, be grateful they didn't just ban your spotty little ass. Oh and by the way the loss of your BS is defintely one of the funniest things I've heard in game all week....surpassed only by your cry baby attitude after the fact
RazorDreamz	Posted - 2003.08.16 15:01:00 - [278] I just lost my ship as well to CCP's inability to properly test and think though a patch. Way to go CCP!! If there was a way out of the situation I would not be very upset, but when I get trapped with 0.9 and 0.8 systems all around me it is not fair. I got my ship blasted the instant I entered the 0.9 system. Before my screen loaded they had already locked and started to fire. Again a great patch CPP, you keep getting better and better. --------------------------------------- CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic m
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 15:02:00 - [279] Quote: think I've said this what 3 times now, I AGREE to the fact that concord got uber good, but I also think that there is no way -5 to -10 pirates can enter space like 1.0.... That they get killed at once i do not support, but the fact that they're not let in that I do support... Would be better to target jam and webify them, so the only way out would be to warp away from the stargate leading to that 1.0 system... And that's the point and why I call this whole thing nothing more than immature vengence, along with the displays in this thread. Concord already target jammed and webified prior to the patch. The ship destruction is just someone acting out. Worse, now they've made it so that nobody can make a simple mistake without losing a ship. If there were more high slot, non-turret modules I'd dump my heavy launchers while in Empire Space. They're too dangerous for me. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.16 15:18:00 - [280] Quote: Quote: think I've said this what 3 times now, I AGREE to the fact that concord got uber good, but I also think that there is no way -5 to -10 pirates can enter space like 1.0.... That they get killed at once i do not support, but the fact that they're not let in that I do support... Would be better to target jam and webify them, so the only way out would be to warp away from the stargate leading to that 1.0 system... And that's the point and why I call this whole thing nothing more than immature vengence, along with the displays in this thread. Concord already target jammed and webified prior to the patch. The ship destruction is just someone acting out. Worse, now they've made it so that nobody can make a simple mistake without losing a ship. If there were more high slot, non-turret modules I'd dump my heavy launchers while in Empire Space. They're too dangerous for me. Let's try to think of another type of gun. We have lasers, projectile, and hybrid. What about Prototype Nokia Mobile Phone Tune - guaranteed annoyance with an extreme range. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.08.16 15:30:00 - [281] "If there was a way out of the situation I would not be very upset, but when I get trapped with 0.9 and 0.8 systems all around me it is not fair. I got my ship blasted the instant I entered the 0.9 system. Before my screen loaded they had already locked and started to fire. Again a great patch CPP, you keep getting better and better" Well, let me try to respond to this like the gate camping griefers respond to indy pilots and the like who lose thier ships to gate camping. You deserve to die if you are too ignorant, if you don't know how to use the map, if you are using auto pilot... You are mere sheep for concord if you are too stupid to know where you are going. You idiots are the ones who make this game fun for the uber concord pilots. I could go on and on. So how does it feel to not have a chance in hell to save your ship? I think NPC police should be pod killing your asses as well! Pirates don't like a taste of thier own medicine huh? Gee, that's surprising! All you whining pirates can go **** off! "Trust No One"
Wolf Leader	Posted - 2003.08.16 15:34:00 - [282] Edited by: Wolf Leader on 16/08/2003 15:38:31 Um pirates who were in .8 and .9 space and relatively safe only to log on and die before they see the police shooting them is not the same as gate campers. U cannot use map cause you havent loaded yet U cannot use auto cause you havent loaded yet. You cannot run away cause you have not loaded yet... You cannot get info about cops frm others cause you havent loaded yet. Should i go on white dwarf or should i wait for you to extract your foot from your mouth. And people have 10 seconds to run away from gate campers then they can hide in the middle of nowhere. If someone did manage to load and get away from uber concord they would just follow them until the player gave up and died. ive run into blocks before and ive had time to get info on every single ship think if i wanna blast my way through and then warp out. So dont give me crap about u have no chance. In game time 10 seconds is an eternity. But im a nice guy.....
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.08.16 15:37:00 - [283] "Um pirates who were in .8 and .9 space" Too bad for them, they should not have been in .8 and .9 space with -10 sec ratings in the first place. So no, I don't need to take my foot out of my mouth, I just need to place it on your throat. "Trust No One"
Wolf Leader	Posted - 2003.08.16 15:40:00 - [284] why should it matter what there sec rating is if you can go somewhere before patch u should be able to go somewhere after patch unless there is a warning. patch said concord would be upped in strength they did not say concord would be comeinvincible and annihilate u as soon as u logged on But im a nice guy.....
NeosX	Posted - 2003.08.16 15:44:00 - [285] Tank CEO is just ignoring the facts and he thinks we're stupid enough to believe he was there just to pickup ammo... If u ever bothered reading the description on Concord Ships it says that they were build on a join effort from all empires. that makes hem superior in any way to any ship that we player can pilot. especially your weak-ass scorpion. the scorp is only good for one thing that is EW support other than that it is a weak ship. You surprised CONCORD can lock you under 5 seconds ? I'm not i can do the same in my apoc it's called a sensor booster LOL too bad we can't us hem atm coz they make us CTD Oh and i'm nor surprised either than Tank lost yet another ship it must only be like the 10th ship he lost since retail... what a true hero... The point is pirate with -10 (or i think Tank was -9.8 last time i saw him in amarr which is basically the same thing) should never go to 1.0. I'm happy that you got owned by tryin to do so. Now you either learn from you mistakes and learn to live with your -9.8 status or you quit the game.. you can also try to get back to positive rating and make us believe you stopped pirating LOL but stop your pityfull whining. We blockade runners got hit in the face with this patch since MWD can't be used in warp anymore and you don't see me whine. and before you even call me a carebear i don't mine ... i only do when i need a new ship coz mining make EVE's world spin... I enjoy killing NPCs, crushing pirate blockade (one of my favorite things to do),walking over RUS corp, and also i just found a new thing to do pod a couple of joves X2KNeos-X- --Proud member of the Stain Alliance--
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.08.16 15:50:00 - [286] "why should it matter what there sec rating is if you can go somewhere before patch u should be able to go somewhere after patch unless there is a warning. patch said concord would be upped in strength they did not say concord would be comeinvincible and annihilate u as soon as u logged on" I'll reiterate, "they got what they deserved". I remember hearing this a lot from the m0o gate campers when they thought blockading passari was adding game content. According to them, anyone who did not pay, or who they felt like killing got what they deserved for trying to play the game in empire space, 3 jumps from a starting system. They got what they deserved, and I for one am very glad to see it. Please PK'ers, please, more whining, I'm eating it up :) "Trust No One"
Wolf Leader	Posted - 2003.08.16 16:00:00 - [287] Im not whining kid im in .0 space as many of your infininoob buddies know they run from me enough. But thats not the point you just cant radically change game mechanics from complete and utter powerlessness by police to demi gods who smite all who look at them wrong. The best thing is the police are killing as many noobs as the pirates down there were. Noob dies at hand of pirate=Noob dies at hand of uber concord is there really a difference. Also how would ya RP this one concord replace by jove admirals all over the world increase empires tech base by 500%. This was just not a well planned move by CCP. I admit 1.0 and maybe even .9 should be off limits to pirates but to just say oh too bad you were here time to die. It just wasnt worked out. Have fun posting to yourself with your angry answer now whitedwarf i wont be back to this topic But im a nice guy.....
Supe	Posted - 2003.08.21 21:21:00 - [288] How about instead of flaming you try and make a point. Sinister Corp plays both sides of the fence and we proboly lost another 5 or 6 members to this crappy patch cuz who wants to pay for game when a weeks worth of work goes down the **ter in 2 minutes? Whats at fault here is the simple fact that a .5 system is just as secure as a 1.0 system and there is no way to go around empire space for the most part. Now there are many better ways to fix this #1. Decrease ship / module costs to 1/10th of what they are now. This will mean less work for everyone more pvp and more people enjoying the game the best part is way less *ing about how you got killed by a * bug before your screen even loaded. #2. Reduce security Force strength and just have them send in Target Locking ships right away so the pirate has to warp away from 1.0 space. Essentialy #1 is the only solution to the huge problem in this game i miss the risk involved with killing concord forces in 0.5 space pre patch cuz i was hoping it would increase my faction ratings with the Pirate Corps so i can some day get a agent again. I have been playing this game for 3 months now and have 5 agents. Another rampent problem with this game is the simple fact that it is Impossible to get security rating back and the only way to get it back is to wait at a rate of .1 a day i think it is. Agents supposedly are a good way to raise it but if you can't get agents what are you suppsoed to do. You see some people will say it's our fault for choosing a life of crime but we didn't choose a life of crime we choose a direction a tthe time that allowed us to enjoy the game since there was NO content at all. 9/10th's of the trade routes are filled at server up NPC pirate killing gets old very fast mining is just plain lame did that for amonth allmost and back then Agents had no content value. Now some good things the devs could do was bring in racial wars as a way to bring the pk's back in into the fold and the way of content. Make the criminal cartels be happy when you kill police there is no reason for them not to be. Add content and bp's and more security in the Criminal Cartels home world area's and mark them on the map. This has huge potential for content and criminal interaction personaly i find gate camping very boaring but the options for pirates at this point are gate camp, kill more npc pirates, or mine so it's fairly obvious what we will choose since pirates in empire space worth 4-5k drop better loot then 20-50k pirates.
Kynoch	Posted - 2003.08.21 22:06:00 - [289] Quote: Yup right after I got outa the "Entering Space" window, Concord was already locked on and firing me. I had autopilot on and autopilot couldnt beat it. Going into Hed-GP? I had just come out of a jump, instantly locked...webified, warp scrambled by a PC and was destroyed..way before the 10 sec invuln too. So it happens I know this the hard way.
Amunet	Posted - 2003.08.21 22:27:00 - [290] Quote: Edited by: Tank CEO on 15/08/2003 04:07:37 Anyone else lose their battleship, cruiser to uber concord? I just lost mine, I traveled to Amarr because I needed ammo, I got their safely but on the way back i jumped to to Yulia, 1 millisecond after i got outa "Entering Space" I was being attacked by concord, isnt their a 5 second invulnerabilty time that you get cause i sure as hell didnt get it. Welp looks like ccp is going to be replacing me ship AGAIN. I mean the cops got on to me faster then auto-pilot could warp me, thats just heh, way to go ccp! Well I for one am welling up with tears.

Jame	Posted - 2003.08.21 22:42:00 - [291] "who wants to pay for game when a weeks worth of work goes down the **ter in 2 minutes?" - supe that is the funniest ** i think i'll ever hear a pk say. i laughed so hard my side still hurts.
HendriX	Posted - 2003.08.22 03:18:00 - [292] Honestly though, I have seen ammo sold in 0.1 systems too often to give specific examples, other than that I think a pirate corps like M3G4 and such should have no problem making their own ammo (at least), I would think...Now that I tried to answer nicely, let me tell you what I really wanted to say: On top of that, did you somehow "beam" from 0.0 to 1.0 space or did you just appear there out of pure luck? I dont think so, you got there gradually and you should have know better to not get close, yet jump into a 1.0 space... This thread is like plain dumb, wtf were you doin there buyin ammo anyway? I dont care if you were buyin candy for that matter, should have never came close... KTHXBYE HendriX
Grisnalg	Posted - 2003.08.22 13:48:00 - [293] Molly is definately Jash in drag... no doubt about it.
t00r	Posted - 2003.08.22 14:18:00 - [294] Quote: who wants to pay for game when a weeks worth of work goes down the ****ter in 2 minutes? All the carebears in empire space trying to recover from PC pirates work? I think u ppl should take the rough with the smooth. If u wanna get to the otherside, go around. You should be glad concord dont taunt u also.
Silver Striker	Posted - 2003.08.22 14:50:00 - [295] ROFL, this thread is a riot. You pirates are a bunch of no talent whining babbies. I especially liked supe's explanation on why he though it was unfair to get killed in 1.0 space. You left out a few though: 1. PC Pirates made a lot of their money killing, stealing, and decieving other players. 2. PC pirates are getting what they deserve. 3. PC Pirates have used every exploit/cheat available to get ahead in the game. The game is better off with you guys gone, you're nothing but a bunch of children who kill ppl who have no chance against you, you earn your money by robbing ppl of their hard earned isk. How does it feel having it done to you? You want to quit, do us a favor and take your friends with you. There is a big difference between being ganked/or insta killed and being *** slapped inside a police sector. The concord and police battleships hang out at jump in points. And if you did manage to warp away you think it would matter? You're never going to escape that sector with that ship, just kiss it goodbye. You should be thankful they don't pod you as well. As for the Battleships doing 400 dmg, deal with it. With all guns firing I do a hell of a lot more than that. You made your bed, now you have to sleep in it. Enjoy. Silver Striker That's fantastic, really, but we need more COW BELL!!!!**
Doctor F	Posted - 2003.08.22 14:53:00 - [296] Yeah, I remember when you fly to some gate, and before your screen loads Moo, Sinister or some other trash are already locked on you and blasting your ship to pieces. Sux, dosen't it ? Well, bite it.
Lubinski	Posted - 2003.08.22 15:42:00 - [297] bah! your a pirate and *****in cause u got uber killed by concord. a pirate shouldnt be able to enter a protected system. thats why they call u a "pirate". ~ FLAME AWAY TROLLS ~
Lubinski	Posted - 2003.08.22 15:44:00 - [298] the 1.0 = 100% secure thing is what ccp is looking for. its a chance for the newbs to learn the game and stuff with out getting owned by pirates and ****, ~ FLAME AWAY TROLLS ~
Needo	Posted - 2003.08.22 16:02:00 - [299] If you warp in on a CONCORD donut party the load-time is rather long, just like when you warp in on a pirate camping spot and their mothers, their cans and their drones... Sounds like Tank got to see the other side of the lag-gun? ___________________________________________ You are never alone in schizophrenia. ___________________________________________
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.08.22 16:12:00 - [300] Edited by: j0sephine on 22/08/2003 16:12:43 "the 1.0 = 100% secure thing is what ccp is looking for. its a chance for the newbs to learn the game and stuff with out getting owned by pirates and **" ... Am too lazy to retype everything, so i'll just copy and paste from the thread in Patch Review section. Maybe you'll then see the side-effects of the "100% secure thing" ------------ I did a small test yesterday on Chaos with the latest game build. Used a freshly created, neutral character. Moved out of Kisogo School station, locked on police ship, fired my civillian gun, found myself in the pod. About two seconds after that the threat window popped up, indicating the sentry gun which originally blew me up is now locked on me. But wait, it gets better. Docked at Kisogo station to get new Ibis. Left the station. "Your ship is out of control" and am in the pod again. Sentry gun still doesn't like me. Back to the station, back outside, back in the pod. Leather, rinse, repeat. New players are gonna love it; there's no explanation provided for this behavior whatsoever so they're left clueless, stranded and losing ship after ship. For what's worth, my security standing was -0.1, and Caldari faction -0.05. Am clearly the worst enemy of the state :s btw, it's possible to escape the guns by immediately warping to some distant target as soon as you undock... i doubt many new players will think of it, though and it's not the right solution anyway. ------------ ... as you can see, the uber-concord indeed provides "chance for the newbs to learn the game and stuff with out getting owned by pirates and ****" :s

Needo	Posted - 2003.08.22 16:23:00 - [301] Ofcourse concord won't like you, but it has nothing to do with your sec rating, it has to do with how much time passed since your sec-rating dropped against concord... Now, are you saying Concord should be tuned down so that you can live long enough in an Ibis to get a decent chance to escape? Exactly how would that prevent griefers to pod njubs? ___________________________________________ You are never alone in schizophrenia. ___________________________________________
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.08.22 16:33:00 - [302] Edited by: j0sephine on 22/08/2003 19:12:49 "Ofcourse concord won't like you, but it has nothing to do with your sec rating, it has to do with how much time passed since your sec-rating dropped against concord..." ... Am a newbie; i know ****** about the sec ratings, response timers and the junk. I'm not provided any in-game explanation why the guns of my own school are ripping me apart every time i undock. Maybe they just want to give the people in Help channel something to do. shrugs "Now, are you saying Concord should be tuned down so that you can live long enough in an Ibis to get a decent chance to escape?" Essentially, yes; am saying the player should be given an indication of the hostile action about to happen, before it happens. Even giving the police forces say, 2-3 secs of lock time which invokes the threat window would help a lot. "Exactly how would that prevent griefers to pod njubs?" If you know you're about to get locked on, rendered helpless and blown up in couple of secs you don't hang around to take shots at some random guy in Ibis, do you?.. No, you run as fast as your lil' legs and the warp drive let you. :s
Cuisinart	Posted - 2003.08.22 16:35:00 - [303] Is that supposed to be a joke? Cuz it sure is funny. translation You: "I just had done to me what I've been doing to everyone I can! I want my ship back, it's not fair!" Tough ***, suck it up and press on. Vision without action is a daydream* Action without vision is a nightmare
Lord Zap	Posted - 2003.08.22 20:27:00 - [304] Tank same thing happened to me the other day in the exact same system. As soon as I came out of the entering space screen I was webbified and scrambled and had to watch as my ship was destroyed. I petitioned in vain fully expecting the obligatory "We can't prove the loss of youre ship was down to a bug" line that CCP takes, and wasnt suprised when I received the email confirming as much. Oh well its a shame, but I suppose good in a way because I wont be giving any more money to CCP who frankly arent worthy of my cash. Havent played in ages tbh because there are so many more enjoyable ways to spend my spare time. Adios


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